Hilarious how comment sections everywhere are like "they'll never get my support now" and "I lose respect when they pull stunts like this." Just endless white people making it all about themselves over and over with no self-awareness. Then the racist memes come out once they get a sense they're with their people.
Hilarious how comment sections everywhere are like "they'll never get my support now" and "I lose respect when they pull stunts like this." Just endless white people making it all about themselves over and over with no self-awareness. Then the racist memes come out once they get a sense they're with their people.
I'm sorry, but I'm against this attitude. They may, but writing people off isn't going to win people over. And I've seen so many people in the past come around (people that I never thought would) when people were kind, consistent, and patient with them.
Win people over. Academic studies have shown some whites are actually more supportive of systemic inequality and unfair treatment from cops and judges when they're informed blacks bear the brunt it.
Some people deserve to be written off because they have pure hatred in their heart. You can't reach everyone.
And to think how many times King was brought up (until Gandhi took center stage). A man arrested 30 times and (gasp) didn't always have a permit for protest..fine example.
And to think how many times King was brought up (until Gandhi took center stage). A man arrested 30 times and (gasp) didn't always have a permit for protest..fine example.
Win people over. Academic studies have shown some whites are actually more supportive of systemic inequality and unfair treatment from cops and judges when they're informed blacks bear the brunt it.
There is an astonishingly petty, narrow-minded and one-shoe-fits-all mentality going on in this thread. Protests can fuck up peoples lives. You don't have to be a white racist to be against it.
I wish some of you would realize the link between institutionalized racism is directly linked to the income inequality, and that protests like this can ruin the lives of people, who are the poorest and have the least social security.
Disregarding common sense as "what if's". You don't know what you're talking about if you can't exercise even a modicum of sympathy for people who can't miss a day at work. Knowing about a just cause doesn't give you the fucking right to ruin the lives of others.
And to think how many times King was brought up (until Gandhi took center stage). A man arrested 30 times and (gasp) didn't always have a permit for protest..fine example.
I'm a supporter of this Bay Bridge protest, and I don't think the "ambulance" complaint is valid, but it's not like MLK was Malcom X. He might not be the perfect example to make your point.
If I recall correctly, he and the NAACP chose not to make Claudette Colvin the representative for the bus protest because she didn't have the right look and background to be most effective. To me, that's "wrong." The whole point of equality is that black people shouldn't have to be model angels in order to get the same treatment as others. Equality is equality, and humans are humans.
However, I'm in absolutely no position to judge MLK for encouraging Rosa Parks in re-enacring the bus protest. They judged at the time that this was the most effective way to garner support. Wrong? Right? Hard to say, and I don't know if such labels need to be applied to a great man's body of work.
I'm a supporter of this Bay Bridge protest, and I don't think the "ambulance" complaint is valid, but it's not like MLK was Malcom X. If I recall correctly, he and the NAACP chose not to make Claudette Colvin the representative for the bus protest because she didn't have the right look and background to be most effective. To me, that's "wrong." The whole point of equality is that black people shouldn't have to be model angels in order to get the same treatment as others. Equality is equality, and humans are humans.
However, I'm in absolutely no position to judge MLK for encouraging Rosa Parks in re-enacring the bus protest. They judged at the time that this was the most effective way to garner support. Wrong? Right? Hard to say, and I don't know if such labels need to be applied to a great man's body of work.
Gandhi also suggested that if he had different opponents he would likely have had to turn to violence. Sometimes you do have to consider strategy and effectiveness.
There is an astonishingly petty, narrow-minded and one-shoe-fits-all mentality going on in this thread. Protests can fuck up peoples lives. You don't have to be a white racist to be against it.
I wish some of you would realize the link between institutionalized racism is directly linked to the income inequality, and that protests like this can ruin the lives of people, who are the poorest and have the least social security.
Disregarding common sense as "what if's". You don't know what you're talking about if you can't exercise even a modicum of sympathy for people who can't miss a day at work. Knowing about a just cause doesn't give you the fucking right to ruin the lives of others.
If you get fired for missing work because you're stuck in traffic behind a protest, it's your boss who's the asshole. It's your boss who ruined your life. It's your boss who lacks empathy.
If you get fired for missing work because you're stuck in traffic behind a protest, it's your boss who's the asshole. It's your boss who ruined your life. It's your boss who lacks empathy.
There is an astonishingly petty, narrow-minded and one-shoe-fits-all mentality going on in this thread. Protests can fuck up peoples lives. You don't have to be a white racist to be against it.
I wish some of you would realize the link between institutionalized racism is directly linked to the income inequality, and that protests like this can ruin the lives of people, who are the poorest and have the least social security.
Disregarding common sense as "what if's". You don't know what you're talking about if you can't exercise even a modicum of sympathy for people who can't miss a day at work. Knowing about a just cause doesn't give you the fucking right to ruin the lives of others.
Look, can't black people just ask nicely in a letter to the editor or something? Could probably even write it to both the New York Times and Washington Post or something so more people see it.
If you get fired for missing work because you're stuck in traffic behind a protest, it's your boss who's the asshole. It's your boss who ruined your life. It's your boss who lacks empathy.
There is no irony. I see what you're doing, but I'm not against BLM or the idea of protesting. I'm saying it's fallacious to act like that there are no legitimate ways protests can fuck up people. There are statements of the contrary.
But there is a "one shoe fits all" mentality in these topics. If you don't 100% agree with everything the movement does then you are a racist white asshole who is part of the problem and will never learn and never wants to learn anyway because you get off on watching black kids get gunned down outside their homes by shitbags with a badge.
Why are people getting up in arms about shit that didn't even happen? Ambulances? Emergency surgeons? Your son is in danger and you can't reach him because of traffic? wtf? It never happened!
But there is a "one shoe fits all" mentality in these topics. If you don't 100% agree with everything the movement does then you are a racist white asshole who is part of the problem and will never learn and never wants to learn anyway because you get off on watching black kids get gunned down outside their homes by shitbags with a badge.
If you get fired for missing work because you're stuck in traffic behind a protest, it's your boss who's the asshole. It's your boss who ruined your life. It's your boss who lacks empathy.
I think his point is that the people suffering the effects from this protest are unlikely to be the ones that have any power to effect a change. It effects the lives of working class people
You want to do something the inconveniences the boss, not the worker.
This just builds up ill will between people. And if anything, that is what people in power want, to keep regular people angry at each other, divided, rather than be angry at the people in power.
Why are people getting up in arms about shit that didn't even happen? Ambulances? Emergency surgeons? Your son is in danger and you can't reach him because of traffic? wtf? It never happened!
True, but society is the way it is. Doesn't change the fact that fucking up someones shit, doesn't fuck up someones shit.
There is no irony. I see what you're doing, but I'm not against BLM or the idea of protesting. I'm saying it's fallacious to act like that there are no legitimate ways protests can fuck up people. There are statements of the contrary.
But you are saying you are against the idea of protesting. You want protesting to be done on your terms, your way. It is just not going to happen. And it is not fair, in my opinion, to ask the oppressed to agree to yours or anyone else's guidelines as to what is the correct time and place to protest.
But there is a "one shoe fits all" mentality in these topics. If you don't 100% agree with everything the movement does then you are a racist white asshole who is part of the problem and will never learn and never wants to learn anyway because you get off on watching black kids get gunned down outside their homes by shitbags with a badge.
One day you're just a hardworking American citizen and the next day you're being evicted from your home because you lost your job and your kid died in a traffic jam all started by The Blacks™.
Cool. There is one answer. I have seen plenty in this and similar threads who show outright anger towards stopped traffic via protest and just wanted to get some answers.
Cool. There is one answer. I have seen plenty in this and similar threads who show outright anger towards stopped traffic via protest and just wanted to get some answers.
Yeah there is definite anger and disdain towards the protesters because of stopping traffic and I can see where they are coming from in a sort of hypothetical kind of way (oh, what if someone was bleeding out and this was the only way across and the emergency lane was blocked and a tree fell on it and no one was around to see if it made a noise) but the thing that annoys me a bit is when people have concerns or whatever and instead of being told "this is why this is more important" or "that doesn't matter because of this ___" or "well, what if ____. Your thing seems a bit silly now right?" some posters immediately jump to the subtle and not so subtle posts implicating the other user is one of those unsympathetic racist dirtbags who only care about themselves.
It's like, I understand that there are most definitely people who are racist and just see BLM as an annoyance and use these threads as a way to concern troll. I just, I dunno, as someone who supports BLM and thinks that it's disgusting what goes on in America with how the police interact with black people it just annoys me a bit when I see some people just instantly jump to the "oh, you're one of those people " whenever someone brings up an issue.
and yes, I know, wah wah wah anonymous guy on the internet boo hoo. I'm just posting a reason for my feelings which I know don't matter but if I don't then that'd be bad.
People get racist over the most mundane things. You live in a congested metro area where traffic is a way of life but this one time out the thousands upon thousands of hours you've been stuck in traffic, this time it was caused by protesters. All of a sudden you went from marching next to MLK to fuck these uppity "thugs". Your bull shit is transparent from a mile away.
I think his point is that the people suffering the effects from this protest are unlikely to be the ones that have any power to effect a change. It effects the lives of working class people
You want to do something the inconveniences the boss, not the worker.
This just builds up ill will between people. And if anything, that is what people in power want, to keep regular people angry at each other, divided, rather than be angry at the people in power.
The protesters are working class people. People keep talking about inconvenience like the protesters don't have other shit they'd rather be doing. Nobody wants a reason to have to protest in the first place.
And the boss is inconvenienced by the worker being late, but for some reason the worker would rather blame a thousand people he doesn't know than the boss he does know, as if to say it's cool that my boss who knows I'm a punctual hard worker won't cut me some slack for some shit that's outside of my control, but fuck these people I don't know for trying to bring attention to issues of abuse and oppression and making me late. Regarding this issue, if I have to choose between one idiot missing the point and a thousand protesters, I choose protesters every time. Sorry you lost your job. I hope your next boss isn't an asshole. That choice is real easy. And I've lost jobs for far less important reasons.
People will always be angry and divided for one reason or another. That's not a good enough excuse to not do this. Anybody who wants to be angry at any group of people for having the nerve to be disruptive in response to getting shitted on at every level of society - cool, stay angry and enjoy your stay on the wrong side of history. The issue is the same as it was in the 60's and people had jobs they didn't wanna be late for back then, too.
Yeah there is definite anger and disdain towards the protesters because of stopping traffic and I can see where they are coming from in a sort of hypothetical kind of way (oh, what if someone was bleeding out and this was the only way across and the emergency lane was blocked and a tree fell on it and no one was around to see if it made a noise) but the thing that annoys me a bit is when people have concerns or whatever and instead of being told "this is why this is more important" or "that doesn't matter because of this ___" or "well, what if ____. Your thing seems a bit silly now right?" some posters immediately jump to the subtle and not so subtle posts implicating the other user is one of those unsympathetic racist dirtbags who only care about themselves.
It's like, I understand that there are most definitely people who are racist and just see BLM as an annoyance and use these threads as a way to concern troll. I just, I dunno, as someone who supports BLM and thinks that it's disgusting what goes on in America with how the police interact with black people it just annoys me a bit when I see some people just instantly jump to the "oh, you're one of those people " whenever someone brings up an issue.
and yes, I know, wah wah wah anonymous guy on the internet boo hoo. I'm just posting a reason for my feelings which I know don't matter but if I don't then that'd be bad.
Which is fine and thanks for your answer. And to defend those who sometimes jump to conclusions remember that they may be directly affected by the police or have friends directly affected by the police on a daily basis. When they see someone bitch about being late they may not have the polite response you or others are looking for.
Which is fine and thanks for your answer. And to defend those who sometimes jump to conclusions remember that they may be directly affected by the police or have friends directly affected by the police on a daily basis. When they see someone bitch about being late they may not have the polite response you or others are looking for.
That's a good point and one I often forget when it's just people on a message board. Absolutely makes sense that patience would be short when actually affected by the police (or friends/family affected) and seeing any concerns or whatever as not just concerns from an individual but something repeated over and over and ends up drowning out the actual message.
If you care about your cause. I suspect that yes you should care about how you're perceived by the general population. This is one of the biggest flaws with liberal protest movrments, everything begins and ends with "Raising Awareness" with little or no concern over public opinion nor results. They've been doing these sorts of protests for going on a year now and have no policy changes to show for it. If things are as urgent as you claim, I'd say the protesters might want to consider something else.
If being inconvenienced by people protesting to end police brutality makes you less sympathetic to their cause, then you probably didn't care about it all that much to begin with.
"Make sure you protest in a way that I can easily ignore and go about my day." Would you be less annoyed if they were white?
Never have I seen a psychopathic reaction to a protest so elegantly walk you through exactly why the people are protesting in the first place. Like seriously.
If you care about your cause. I suspect that yes you should care about how you're perceived by the general population. This is one of the biggest flaws with liberal protest movrments, everything begins and ends with "Raising Awareness" with little or no concern over public opinion nor results. They've been doing these sorts of protests for going on a year now and have no policy changes to show for it. If things are as urgent as you claim, I'd say the protesters might want to consider something else.
The biggest flaw with liberal movements is not giving unintentional work tardiness equal consideration with stopping systemic oppression? Seriously? Do you see any flaw with apathetic self-centered fuckwits who complain about the inconvenience of protests?
And there have been policy changes. Body cameras on police are becoming more and more common and federal funding has been pledged for more. There is also a push for more comprehensive federal tracking of police shooting statistics.
Never have I seen a psychopathic reaction to a protest so elegantly walk you through exactly why the people are protesting in the first place. Like seriously.
Never have I seen a psychopathic reaction to a protest so elegantly walk you through exactly why the people are protesting in the first place. Like seriously.
What's concerning about these sorts of posts is its quite clear that there are a reasonably numerous group of people who know a crime against someone whose black is defendable as self defense.
If you care about your cause. I suspect that yes you should care about how you're perceived by the general population. This is one of the biggest flaws with liberal protest movrments, everything begins and ends with "Raising Awareness" with little or no concern over public opinion nor results. They've been doing these sorts of protests for going on a year now and have no policy changes to show for it. If things are as urgent as you claim, I'd say the protesters might want to consider something else.
It's a lose lose situation. You can't be opposed to this and walk away with people's respect no matter how you say it. If you try to say they're being disruptive and damaging, you're either racist or your arguments are dismissed entirely. If you live in east bay and just hate being late for work you're an asshole for not caring more.
There's innumerable causes worthy of attention. Yours isn't so important that you get to decide what other people have to deal with. Find a better way than disrupting people's lives. Even abortion protesters let people into planned parenthoods if you walk through them. And I think people notice them. I've walked through Iraq war protestors stomping on American flags before. I sure as hell noticed them.
And yet the supporters of these protestors are acting like this is the only remaining option to get people's attention, a final desperate plea to a world blind. Just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't make them ignorant or a troll.
Form a crowd outside a police station or something more symbolic than being an ass to tens of thousands of people that have better things to do.
Remember that guy that blocked a highway to propose to his girlfriend? I bet that cause was super important to him. How come he didnt get any support?
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Form a crowd outside a police station or something more symbolic than being an ass to tens of thousands of people that have better things to do.[/QUOTE]
There was a post earlier in the thread about a group that protested in a police station. There wasn't a thread about it. Just a post, that a lot of people missed. Because the protest wasn't disruptive enough to society. Whereas this one is able to get more attention since it's more disruptive.
Again, protests don't do anything if they're off to the side where you approve of them. I don't think we'd be celebrating MLK day if he protested quietly, whispering in a park to anyone that might walk by if they felt like they had some extra time.
Why are people so obsessed about driving and traffic? Good lord, people are dying and all you can think about is "gosh, it's the worst that I'm late to work one day out of my entire life."
And so many hypothetical deaths in this thread. Guess what? There's way too many deaths that already happened that these protesters want people to recognize as wrong, so how about we focus on those instead of your silly hypotheticals.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";192624287] Remember that guy that blocked a highway to propose to his girlfriend? I bet that cause was super important to him. How come he didnt get any support?[/QUOTE]
