Happy Columbus Day 2025

EviLore

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History is complicated and bloody. But we are having this conversation right now because of intrepid explorers like Columbus setting forth and discovering the New World.

Picked these up for the occasion:

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Didn't the vikings land in the America way before? Or is it just an urban legend from 10th century Norway?
 
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RemyMeow said:
Didn't the vikings land in the America way before? Or is it just an urban legend from 10th century Norway?
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More and more evidence that early Europeans colonized parts of America before Asians came over the Bering strait. Microsoft is gonna have a LOOOOOOT of apologizing to do before every presentation :p
 
AJUMP23 said:
Columbus was awesome.

Yes they did. But Columbus came back talked about it, publicized it and is known for it. Vineland!
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Columbus died not knowing he had encountered a new continent. He still thought it was Asia and still called it East Indies. Though considering he was travelling west, and if he had reached Asia, it should have been called West Indies.
Not only he was a terrible person, even for the time. He was also a dumb ass.

And then along came Amerigo Vespucci, which convinced everyone at the time that he was the one that had discovered the new continent and called it America.
Despite the fact that there had been several migration waves through the Beringia straight, or the sea around it. And the Vikings had reached America before. And the Chinese also got there half a century before Columbus and Vespucci. And even the Portuguese had found Brasil prior and didn't tell anyone for a while.
 

⚓ Pros of Christopher Columbus

1.

Columbus's 1492 voyage — though he believed he reached Asia — marked the first lasting contact between Europe and the Americas. This connection reshaped world history, setting off an era of exploration and exchange between continents.

2.

His expeditions inspired other explorers and nations (Spain, Portugal, England, France) to invest in overseas voyages. This led to new trade routes, settlements, and the expansion of global geography and navigation knowledge.

3.

Columbus's voyages demonstrated the practicality of long-distance sea navigation using emerging techniques of the time — such as the astrolabe, compass, and improved ship design (caravels).
These advances contributed to a major leap in maritime science.

4.

Columbus's arrival initiated the transfer of plants, animals, crops, and ideas between the Old and New Worlds — for example:
  • From the Americas: corn, potatoes, tomatoes, chocolate.
  • From Europe/Africa/Asia: horses, cattle, wheat, and sugarcane.
    This exchange permanently altered diets, economies, and environments worldwide.

⚔️ Cons of Christopher Columbus

1.

Columbus and his men enslaved and brutalized Indigenous people in the Caribbean. Under his governorship in Hispaniola, many natives were forced into labor under harsh conditions — leading to immense suffering and death.

2.

His voyages began a wave of European colonization that brought disease, warfare, and displacement to Indigenous civilizations. Smallpox and other diseases wiped out millions, transforming the demographic and cultural landscape of the Americas.

3.

For centuries, Columbus was inaccurately celebrated as the "discoverer" of America, despite Indigenous peoples inhabiting the continent for millennia.
His story has often been romanticized, obscuring the violent consequences of colonization.

4.

Columbus's governance in the colonies was marked by corruption, cruelty, and failure to maintain order. Even the Spanish crown eventually removed him from his post and arrested him for his abuses.
 
Columbus was an idiot. he ignored previous measurements of the size of the planet that go back to 250 BC, and was so dumb that he thought he could get a viable route to india by going around the planet... fucking moron! no wonder he didn't get funding at first.
in fact, those older calculations overestimated the size of the planet by 15% even! what an idiot!
 


I enjoyed this Neil Degrasse Tyson take on Columbus. Reconnecting the two hemispheres of the Earth was a significant event. Today, the only thing kids are taught about George Washington is that he was a slave owner.
 
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