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[boiled goose]

Is it alright to become unsympathetic if your grandma dies in the ambulance that can't get through?

Like, that specific circumstance. Minor inconvenience, nah, that's ridiculous, but I think I'd probably get resentful if a loved one died.

Because my grandma died in an ambulance because of a protest I no longer care that black people are being disproportionately murdered by police.

Wat?

Resentful against who? The powerless because they need to protest to get attention? If my son was murdered in cold blood and no one gave a fuck ID be pretty resentful.

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

It's not that anyone thinks someone hates whites because of that name. The name provokes a response of "why not my life" if you are any race other than black. And helps fuel negativity. It's not inclusive and thus doesn't get an inclusive response

Is it the only source of negativity? Hell no, haters would hate this no matter what. But saying the name has no effect is a little obtuse to me

Good point, let's get to work on a better name. I think we should go with something along the lines of #AllLivesMatter, no way racists could fuck that one up.

 

[UncleSporky]

Because my grandma died in an ambulance because of a protest I no longer care that black people are being disproportionately murdered by police.

Wat?

Resentful against who? The powerless because they need to protest to get attention? If my son was murdered in cold blood and no one gave a fuck ID be pretty resentful.

Presumably, the specific protesters who decided to block the bridge.

 

[internetwolf]

why do protestors think it's ok to ruin strangers days?

Protest away from traffic for crying out loud.

 

[cwmartin]

why do protestors think it's ok to ruin strangers days?

Protest away from traffic for crying out loud.

^ your character is pretty much fleshed out, no one will fall for that wolfie

 

[Captin Quacker]

^ your character is pretty much fleshed out, no one will fall for that wolfie

Hypothetically there room for more

 

[Guevara]

There are some unique aspects of this in the Bay Area to mention:

First, these protests were designed to last 96 hours, and all throughout SF, Oakland and elsewhere. Before that they were blocking the entrances to the airport, and various intersections in the city. Point being: a lot of people here are just over it. We get it: your issue it very important to you.

Second, the movement here is really disorganized: now it's not just BLM, it's gentrification, it's affordable housing, it's eminent domain, it's rent stabilization, it's other racial movements, it's other social justice issues. Intermixed are calls for the various local mayors to resign, the various police commissions to step-down, etc. If you were to read the signs at these events, it might be hard to figure out this was originally even about BLM: it's just a hodgepodge of loosely-related movements. You have people saying:

“There’s a rumbling going on,” Jeremy Miller said after an impromptu speech made over a loudspeaker. “We need to take to the streets and recognize our own power. We’re tired of being ran out and shot down. This is 96 hours of direct action against police terror to honor MLK the radical. We mean business.”​

But you also have:

“The system is broken down,” she said. “You need to give up a ridiculous amount just to get Section 8 (a voucher program for housing). I’m for the private, philanthropic money—bring in Danny Glover, bring in Brad Pitt.”​

http://hoodline.com/2016/01/protesters-in-the-fillmore-rally-against-police-violence-gentrification
Uh, ok. Let's just protest everything, all at once and everywhere.​

Third, the catalyst lately seems to be the Mario Woods shooting. We had a thread about it, but the short version is: he stabbed a guy, refused to drop the knife, SFPD used rubber bullets and pepper space, he still refused to drop the knife. Ultimately, SFPD cornered him, still armed he continued to approach an officer, and they shot him.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Deaths caused by BLM: Possibly hundreds... no, thousands!

 

[Gamerloid]

It's not that anyone thinks someone hates whites because of that name. The name provokes a response of "why not my life" if you are any race other than black. And helps fuel negativity. It's not inclusive and thus doesn't get an inclusive response

Is it the only source of negativity? Hell no, haters would hate this no matter what. But saying the name has no effect is a little obtuse to me

Darn breast cancer walks. All cancer matters!

 

[freeofgreed]

Presumably, the specific protesters who decided to block the bridge.

That's misplaced aggression. The protesters weren't the ones who put your grandma in the ambulance. You can be angry at them, that's natural I guess but if that is enough to make you unsympathetic to the cause as a whole, then you were a shitty human being so idc.

 

[internetwolf]

^ your character is pretty much fleshed out, no one will fall for that wolfie

It's a serious question.. why is it ok to intrude on other people's lives?

Unless they reserved the space I don't see what gives them the authority.

 

[BioHazard]

Deaths caused by BLM: Possibly hundreds... no, thousands!

Imagine all those grandmas in ambulances!

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I sure hope someone doesn't die because emergency responders got stuck in traffic due to this shit.

Black lives matter less than a hypothetical victim in an ambulance.

'But it could have happened...'

 

[Slayven]

Imagine all those grandmas in ambulances!

Having babies!

 

[Dai101]

What's the death toll up to now? Has to be in the hypothetical hundreds.
If these negroes hadn't caused so many hypothetical deaths, I would support their cause.

9/11 high.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

What's the death toll up to now? Has to be in the hypothetical hundreds.

I can't count that high..

It's a serious question.. why is it ok to intrude on other people's lives?

Unless they reserved the space I don't see what gives them the authority.

MLK wouldn't..

 

[atr0cious]

Third, the catalyst lately seems to be the Mario Woods shooting. . Ultimately, SFPD cornered him, still armed he continued to approach an officer, and they shot him.

This is not exactly what happened.

 

[mr2xxx]

Popped in to see if anything changed. Nope! People still arguing over the imaginary lives lost from this protest.

January 18th had a hypothetical death toll greater than 9/11, let's never forget that.

 

[cwmartin]

There are some unique aspects of this in the Bay Area to mention:

First, these protests were designed to last 96 hours, and all throughout SF, Oakland and elsewhere. Before that they were blocking the entrances to the airport, and various intersections in the city. Point being: a lot of people here are just over it. We get it: your issue it very important to you.

I bolded the important part.

*YOUR*
*YOU*

edit: It's clear these protests have done little to wake up the SF Bay area to the problems facing black people in their community. The conversation is still framed with "people are over it", "your issue", "important to you".

At least someone had the balls to say the lives of black people at the hands of the police is not important to them and they are just over it.

 

[Merc_]

Are we going to go ten more pages down this rabbit hole of hypothetical scenarios that cause people to not care about the issues these protestors are protesting?

What if by blocking the bridge Sho Fukamachi is unable to retrieve Unit 01 and become the Guyver to fight against the Zoanoid threat? WHAT THEN HMMMM?

 

[studyguy]

Won't anyone think of the hypothetical man/woman/child/puppy/kitten on their way to the ER that could have probably existed during this protest. Think of the possible death toll, there's literally a genocide going on out there, maybe. I mean who is going to rebuild all those imaginary houses burned down by the nonexistent fires?

 

[karasu]

Darn breast cancer walks. All cancer matters!

hahaa!

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Deaths caused by BLM: Possibly hundreds... no, thousands!

Millions have died. It's a hypothetical disaster

 

[freeofgreed]

It's a serious question.. why is it ok to intrude on other people's lives?

Unless they reserved the space I don't see what gives them the authority.

People are dying. Sorry if the protesters won't silently protest in the corner so you can go about your day ignoring it.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

It's a serious question.. why is it ok to intrude on other people's lives?

Unless they reserved the space I don't see what gives them the authority.

Protestors? Authority? Is there a permit that gives any protestors authority? Be careful, that's a trick question.

 

[internetwolf]

I can't count that high..

MLK wouldn't..

I'm just trying to find out if this is legal.. I don't really know how protest laws work.

People are dying. Sorry if the protesters won't silently protest in the corner so you can go about your day ignoring it.

Surely there are more peaceful ways of going about a protest though.. I'd assume that they can garner attention without blocking traffic.

 

[Captin Quacker]

What if by blocking the bridge Sho Fukamachi is unable to retrieve Unit 01 and become the Guyver to fight against the Zoanoid threat? WHAT THEN HMMMM?

Then we call in the death star duh

Geez don't you know nothin

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

All of you worried about how "this won't attract supporters to the movement" are totally lost. You have no idea what they're doing and why. None of this is about "gaining support." You're making it clear you can't see the world past what's in front of your own eyes. You can't dismantle institutional racism by playing within the system designed to perpetuate the racism.

Blacklivesmatter.com talks about LIBERATION, not getting white people to like them.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I bolded the important part.

*YOUR*
*YOU*

Boom..

 

[Slayven]

I can't disprove a blm protest blew up krypton

 

[Guevara]

I bolded the important part.

*YOUR*
*YOU*

edit: It's clear these protests have done little to wake up the SF Bay area to the problems facing black people in their community. The conversation is still framed with "people are over it", "your issue", "important to you".

At least someone had the balls to say the lives of black people at the hands of the police is not important to them and they are just over it.

What do you want me to say? It's not my issue and I'm not involved with the movement.

 

[Flying Toaster]

The biggest bullshit about this particular protest...

They get arrested. Alright I get it what they did was technically illegal.

Why the flying fuck are there a bunch of damn asshole white people illegally occupying a government building and nothing is being done?

 

[freeofgreed]

I bolded the important part.

*YOUR*
*YOU*

edit: It's clear these protests have done little to wake up the SF Bay area to the problems facing black people in their community. The conversation is still framed with "people are over it", "your issue", "important to you".

At least someone had the balls to say the lives of black people at the hands of the police is not important to them and they are just over it.

Yup. That apathy is preciously why they have to resort to tactics like this.

 

[studyguy]

I can't disprove a blm protest blew up krypton

Keep your dirty space immigrant problems out of my country.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Is it alright to become unsympathetic if your grandma dies in the ambulance that can't get through?

Like, that specific circumstance. Minor inconvenience, nah, that's ridiculous, but I think I'd probably get resentful if a loved one died.

I'd be resentful that the ambulance didn't take the emergency road that they didn't block

Helps to read the thread eh

 

[UncleSporky]

Deaths caused by BLM: Possibly hundreds... no, thousands!

Look, I get it. There's no way for the message to make it through, because emotions are high and there's already too many assholes in the thread shouting about minor inconvenience.

Even if it was more than hypothetical, I'm not sure there would be much sympathy at this point. "If he knew his mom was going to be dead in a few hours he should've already been by her side, it's his own fault he wasn't there before they blocked the bridge, not the protesters'."

I just can't help but think, what if it was me in that situation. I could keep believing in the cause, but man what a shitty situation all around.

I'd be resentful that the ambulance didn't take the emergency road that they didn't block

Helps to read the thread eh

I did address that on the previous page.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Keep your dirty space immigrant problems out of my country.

 

[AlphaDump]

I mean, I was down for the cause. But I've gotta say, blocking traffic was the last straw. I'm unable to support them anymore. MLK would have gotten a permit..

Well two things.


1. This apparently wasn't BLM but an offshot. From the article:

The protest group, an offshoot of the Black Lives Matter movement, is “a black queer liberation collective” that calls itself Black.Seed, Mia Birdsong, a spokeswoman for the group, said.

2.

In addition,

Was the turn out. How many people is that?


There is a truth about power in numbers, in addition to messaging. Those significant images of the original bridge protest shows thousands coming together with one common and universal message.

The activists align themselves with the Anti-Police Terror Project, and their display came with a set of demands, including the resignation of Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf and immediate terminations of San Francisco Police Chief Greg Suhr and Oakland Police Chief Sean Whent. They also demanded an end to city funding of police and called for city investment in affordable housing to keep “black, brown and indigenous” people in San Francisco and Oakland.

If we peel the layers back, it gets muddy fast. Defund the city police? Provide affordable housing? I wasn't aware this is what the group is calling for.

To blame it on apathy might be accurate, but there is a lot that can be done to help convey and align the message.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

The biggest bullshit about this particular protest...

They get arrested. Alright I get it what they did was technically illegal.

Why the flying fuck are there a bunch of damn asshole white people illegally occupying a government building and nothing is being done?

They got their permits.

 

[Numb]

What if by blocking the bridge Sho Fukamachi is unable to retrieve Unit 01 and become the Guyver to fight against the Zoanoid threat? WHAT THEN HMMMM?

oh god

 

[A Link to the Past]

Look, I get it. There's no way for the message to make it through, because emotions are high and there's already too many assholes in the thread shouting about minor inconvenience.

Even if it was more than hypothetical, I'm not sure there would be much sympathy at this point. "If he knew his mom was going to be dead in a few hours he should've already been by her side, it's his own fault he wasn't there before they blocked the bridge, not the protesters'."

I just can't help but think, what if it was me in that situation. I could keep believing in the cause, but man what a shitty situation all around.

You could make this argument for virtually any act of disruption. The Montgomery bus boycott could have bankrupted them theoretically, then would black people be responsible for the lack of proper public transportation options?

 

[cwmartin]

What do you want me to say? It's not my issue and I'm not involved with the movement.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

It's everybody's issue not just black people. Hopefully with enough protesting and disruption, more human beings will understand that. Nobody will ever say you need to be a protestor to be sympathetic with the issue.

To say it's not your issue is unfortunately selfish.

 

[Dai101]

The biggest bullshit about this particular protest...

They get arrested. Alright I get it what they did was technically illegal.

Why the flying fuck are there a bunch of damn asshole white people illegally occupying a government building and nothing is being done?

 

[Mr. X]

I open these threads to enjoy people saying a traffic jam is so inconvient when the protest is about the death of civilians by law enforcement.

 

[freeofgreed]

Surely there are more peaceful ways of going about a protest though.. I'd assume that they can garner attention without blocking traffic.

How is this not peaceful? Did anyone get hurt? And protests like these are best way to garner attention. Look how many pages we're at? I guarantee if this were some ""peaceful" protest. No one would give a shit and the matter would've fallen out of public eye a long time ago.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

You could make this argument for virtually any act of disruption. The Montgomery bus boycott could have bankrupted them theoretically, then would black people be responsible for the lack of proper public transportation options?

The answer: What is yes?

The police issued paper bag test

 

[backflip10019]

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

It's everybody's issue not just black people. Hopefully with enough protesting and disruption, more human beings will understand that. Nobody will ever say you need to be a protestor to be sympathetic with the issue.

To say it's not your issue is unfortunately selfish.

I get what he's saying, though. There are a finite amount of hours in the day (especially hours that you can use for personal interests and causes) and this isn't an issue that affects him enough to put time against. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

 

[internetwolf]

How is this not peaceful? Did anyone get hurt? And protests like these are best way to garner attention. Look how many pages we're at? I guarantee if this were some ""peaceful" protest. No one would give a shit and the matter would've fallen out of public eye a long time ago.

You make a good point of it staying in the public eye. I guess I just have a different definition of peaceful.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Look, I get it. There's no way for the message to make it through, because emotions are high and there's already too many assholes in the thread shouting about minor inconvenience.

Even if it was more than hypothetical, I'm not sure there would be much sympathy at this point. "If he knew his mom was going to be dead in a few hours he should've already been by her side, it's his own fault he wasn't there before they blocked the bridge, not the protesters'."

I just can't help but think, what if it was me in that situation. I could keep believing in the cause, but man what a shitty situation all around.


I did address that on the previous page.

As long as we're playing hypothetical then I feel that if gram-gram was dying on the other side of the bridge then the protesters would allow me to pass once I explained my situation. These aren't monsters trying to cause people to suffer. These are people sympathetic to the suffering caused to minorities. Which I surmise is from the same empathy they would show me in the hypothetical situation where my family member is on her death bed.

 

[Enzom21]

9/11 high.

I can't count that high..

MLK wouldn't..

My God!