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[TheLostBigBoss]

I'm not exactly a Bernie fan but he is technically correct.

Of corse he's right (in a way).

But that doesn't meany you fucking say it.

 

[Black Republican]

for some reason i dont think it'll matter amongst his supporters or people leaning his way

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Wait, what?

 

[dabig2]

He's basically talking about establishment donors, whatever their stripe.

Bernie is echoing the prevailing populist messages of the past. Put control and influence toward individual voters, not groups.

It's nothing controversial implicitly, but I can see how it can be interpreted as such.

Yeah, but if he wanted to make that point then he should've been more specific and talked names. His statement as it is paints the entire organizations as establishment stooges.

When going after the establishment, you make damn sure you're talking about a minority of powerful people controlling the narrative.

 

[Timeaisis]

Aren't they all establishment, the candidates included.

My first thought as well.

 

[commedieu]

Yeah, but if he wanted to make that point then he should've been more specific and talked names. His statement as it is paints the entire organizations as establishment stooges.

When going after the establishment, you make damn sure you're talking about a minority of powerful people controlling the narrative.

Exactly.

It's not something to just drive by post.

 

[gutter_trash]

Says the man who joined the political establishment because it was his best shot of winning the presidency.

This qft

 

[jmdajr]

I thought I read the title wrong...

 

[mnemovore]

He's not really wrong. Hillary voted for the war in Iraq and was against gay marriage, and honestly it's questionable that she changed her position genuinely rather than superficially in order to appeal to voters. She's a demonstrable opportunist.

 

[Leona Lewis]

The Iowa caucus is just over a week from today.

Bernie's biggest weakness is his lack of support from women and minorities.

So his solution is to call out Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Fund, two groups which respectively represent concerns important to women and minorities.

 

[soul creator]

Bernie? The fuck are you doing?

Elaboration?

https://www.facebook.com/humanright...18813753280/10153920663093281/?type=3&theater

From what I can tell, he's basically saying that the endorsements of the leaders of those organizations have historically been part of the Democratic establishment, and they're going with the known quantity ("establishment"), even if the average member of that group would actually be more on his side (like some of the comments on that FB post), and that his record is actually better than hers (in his eyes obviously, since that's something that can be debated).

That's what he's banking on at least. That said:

 

[Somnid]

Dammit Bernie, this is where the PR handler would say to keep your mouth shut. There's a point that's not worth making because nobody will understand the nuance of it.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yeah, but if he wanted to make that point then he should've been more specific and talked names. His statement as it is paints the entire organizations as establishment stooges.

When going after the establishment, you make damn sure you're talking about a minority of powerful people controlling the narrative.

And you don't do it by associating it with his goal to take on Wallstreet.

 

[pushingrocks]

I defintally don't agree with what he said but it sounds more like desperate spin on his part then anything else.
Does anyone really think that a hypothetical Sanders admistration would treat PP significatantly differently then a Clintion admistration?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Fox must be loving this one.

 

[CDX]

*sigh*

That was a disappointing remark from Bernie.

The Republicans are already doing enough to attack PP, and try to dismantle it. PP doesn't need shit coming at them from the left at this point in time.

 

[injurai]

I'm not exactly a Bernie fan but he is technically correct.

When you realize this, he is only fucking up in the sense that voters won't let him get away with pointing out problems on their side of the line in the sand.

 

[smurfx]

looks like good old bernie is joining the right and painting planned parenthood as part of the problem. of course they differ on what the problem is but they will paint them as the same on commercials and news bytes.

 

[Sephzilla]

*Sigh* Bernie...

 

[Slayven]

Yeah cause taking on Big Women's Health Services is a hill someone other than the GOP want to die on.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Turns out that Democrats really aren't that different from Republicans.

yeah ok..

 

[commedieu]

The Iowa caucus is in just over a week from today.

Bernie's biggest weakness is his lack of support from women and minorities.

So his solution is to call out Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Fund, two groups which respectively represent concerns important to women and minorities.

Yep, you get it. 100%.

Silly shit to say and not be abundantly clear on what youre saying just to mind the reception at a critical time in your campaign.

 

[Kyuur]

Even if he is correct this is kind of a 'pick your battles' kind of situation. Oof.

 

[injurai]

looks like good old bernie is joining the right and painting planned parenthood as part of the problem. of course they differ on what the problem is but they will paint them as the same on commercials and news bytes.

So you're making the horseshoe argument?

 

[FreddieQuell]

He's not saying he disagrees with what they are doing, just that they are part of the political establishment looking to have an establishment candidate elected. Not sure why this is so disappointing.

 

[Jas]

He's basically talking about establishment donors, whatever their stripe.

Bernie is echoing the prevailing populist messages of the past. Put control and influence toward individual voters, not groups.

It's nothing controversial implicitly, Bernie is pro-choice, but I can see how it can be interpreted as such.

This, I watched the interview on Maddow last night and took it as this. Didn't even think twice about what he said.

 

[DrROBschiz]

*sigh*

That was a disappointing remark from Bernie.

The Republicans are already doing enough to attack PP, and try to dismantle it. PP doesn't need shit coming at them from the left at this point in time.

Why not just say

PP shouldnt be donating to Hillarys campaign

 

[Like the hat?]

Comes across to me more as not saying those groups specifically, just "some of" the groups that Clinton allies with. It seems more like it was just poorly worded.

 

[The Technomancer]

He's calling them "part of the establishment" because they've been propping up the same candidates that the establishment is propping up. His message has been all about dismantling the influence that the establishment has on candidates' viability for office and thus their immunity from policies that are in the best interest of the average citizen. So if Planned Parenthood is supporting the Wall Street candidate, Planned Parenthood is supporting Wall Street's influence over fiscal policy.

I wouldn't read any more into it than that. He's not condemning the work Planned Parenthood is doing; he's just commenting on the fact that they play a role in establishment candidates dominating politics (because they tend to contribute more to these candidates).

This is technically correct but mentioning Planned Parenthood in any form carries with it a lot of current political context that cannot be ignored. I'll echo the above poster in saying that this is another sign that Bernie doesn't appear to be that good at actual politics, which is yet another reason I'm skeptical he could execute on anything he has proposed if he got the office

 

[LegendofLex]

This is technically correct but mentioning Planned Parenthood in any form carries with it a lot of current political context that cannot be ignored. I'll echo the above poster in saying that this is another sign that Bernie doesn't appear to be that good at actual politics, which is yet another reason I'm skeptical he could execute on anything he has proposed if he got the office

Sanders's weakness has always been that he's terrible at discussing sidebars and outlining specifics, at least when he's put on the spot.

And, yeah, it's potentially a large problem once he's called on to do actual governing. It's one reason I'm not totally throwing my hat in his circle, even if I favor him for the primaries.

Look how long it took the thread to get the facts straight after reading the quote

now apply this to America

oh my god this is so true

 

[DrROBschiz]

He's not saying he disagrees with what they are doing, just that they are part of the political establishment looking to have an establishment candidate elected. Not sure why this is so disappointing.

Look how long it took the thread to get the facts straight after reading the quote

now apply this to America

 

[Sectorseven]

Trump can't have all the headlines.

 

[jtb]

Just reinforces how limited and narrow of a candidate Bernie is as a "liberal alternative."

Yes, they are the establishment. That's precisely why they've been able to do the work that they've done... why dismantle that? It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater for the sake of... what, exactly? "political revolution"?

 

[Herbs]

Look how long it took the thread to get the facts straight after reading the quote

now apply this to America

haha

"sigh"

 

[DrROBschiz]

Just reinforces how limited and narrow of a candidate Bernie is as a "liberal alternative."

Yeah but Trump VS Hillary makes me want to throw up

 

[Guileless]

I'm pretty sure she went against signing a defense of marriage act back in the day (I think when she was senator), may be wrong tho.

That was in '96, so she was not in the Senate. But she did say in 2000 that she would have voted for it if she had been in the Senate then and stuck with civil unions. Hillary Clinton in 2000: "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman."

 

[BUNTING1243]

That's a real bad look when you're having trouble appealing to people beyond white males.

 

[Your Entertainer]

Look how long it took the thread to get the facts straight after reading the quote

now apply this to America

As far as America is concerned PP sells fetus organs off for money

 

[Dash_Riprock]

So because its part of the government its automatically bad?

What a very Republican viewpoint...

 

[DrROBschiz]

That was in '96, so she was not in the Senate. But she did say in 2000 that she would have voted for it if she had been in the Senate then and stuck with civil unions. Hillary Clinton in 2000: "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman."

Was this before or after her husband got his bells jingled

This might be a genuine change of outlook on her part nearly 20 years later

 

[Slayven]

That's a real bad look when you're having trouble appealing to people beyond white males.

Or he is trying to lock down his core

 

[CloudyTuba]

hasnt he already given support to Planned Parenthood before?

He's basically talking about establishment donors, whatever their stripe.

Bernie is echoing the prevailing populist messages of the past. Put control and influence toward individual voters, not groups.

It's nothing controversial implicitly, Bernie is pro-choice, but I can see how it can be interpreted as such.

I'm not exactly a Bernie fan but he is technically correct.

That makes more sense, but if that's what he's trying to say he better clarify fast because this is some serious shit he's getting himself into. Not good.

Yeah, but if he wanted to make that point then he should've been more specific and talked names. His statement as it is paints the entire organizations as establishment stooges.

When going after the establishment, you make damn sure you're talking about a minority of powerful people controlling the narrative.

Yes. Dude messed up. He needed to speak more clearly and if he doesn't fix this it's going to fuck him up bad.

Bernie is a supporter of Planned Parenthood.

https://twitter.com/search?q=planned parenthood from:BernieSanders&src=typd

This quote is clearly speaking to something different, and by no means is he "against planned parenthood." The misrepresentation in this thread & the people quick to jump to conclusions is pretty laughable.

Good

 

[commedieu]

He's not saying he disagrees with what they are doing, just that they are part of the political establishment looking to have an establishment candidate elected. Not sure why this is so disappointing.

If he said it clearly, it would avoid the potential shit storm. Politics is a game. This is a misstep.

 

[ant_]

Bernie is a supporter of Planned Parenthood.

https://twitter.com/search?q=planned parenthood from:BernieSanders&src=typd

This quote is clearly speaking to something different, and by no means is he "against planned parenthood." The misrepresentation in this thread & the people quick to jump to conclusions is pretty laughable.

 

[Transhuman]

The quote is taken out of context, I can only assume that excelsiorlef didn't care enough to actually watch the interview and, like practically every poster in this thread, has been swept up in the outrage machine.

It begins at 7:58

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-up-for-more-debates-with-dnc-or-not-604730435856

What Bernie Sanders was essentially saying is, though he knows that Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign have thrown in with Hilary, she has a lot more political power than he does, and it was never his intention to rely on their endorsement and that his campaign strategy is by-and-large a grassroots one.

 

[guek]

I eagerly await the clarification statement since this will otherwise do some damage the longer it festers.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Yeah, but if he wanted to make that point then he should've been more specific and talked names. His statement as it is paints the entire organizations as establishment stooges.

When going after the establishment, you make damn sure you're talking about a minority of powerful people controlling the narrative.

Nailed it

 

[Herbs]

The quote is taken out of context, I can only assume that excelsiorlef didn't care enough to actually watch the interview and, like practically every poster in this thread, has been swept up in the outrage machine.

It begins at 7:58

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-up-for-more-debates-with-dnc-or-not-604730435856

What Bernie Sanders was essentially saying is, though he knows that Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign have thrown in with Hilary, she has a lot more political power than he does, and it was never his intention to rely on their endorsement and that his campaign strategy is by-and-large a grassroots one.

the goal post moving and entrenching will be awesome to watch...

and by awesome, I mean sad and pathetic.

 

[FreddieQuell]

So because its part of the government its automatically bad?

What a very Republican viewpoint...

That's not what he's saying and it doesn't even make sense. Bernie is all for government programs and government solutions to America's issues.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

That was in '96, so she was not in the Senate. But she did say in 2000 that she would have voted for it if she had been in the Senate then and stuck with civil unions. Hillary Clinton in 2000: "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman."

Well, she wasn't really against gay marriage then, she was for civil union, which 20 or so years ago was marriage without the title and pretty strong, so saying she was against gay rights would be pretty off kilter.

I think most people have had their opinions on gay marriage change over the past 20 years, that's kinda the point of being a progressive.