Sanders calls Planned Parenthood part of the Political Establishment he's taking on
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RumblingRosco
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Yep. Regardless, Bernie should have known associating any negative-ish type of wording with Planned Parenthood would be misconstrued or exploited by his competition. He dug this hole and he should really know better if he wants to become the next President.
There isn't s single elected politician in the states who hasn't changed their mind on gay marriage if they support it.
Heck, the gay community changed its mind on gay marriage! This wasn't a big thing for us prior to the 90s, and no-one ever anticipated the speed at which it would be achieved.
Well. That sure was an interesting choice of people to pick a fight with.
In Planned Parenthood's case probably because they decided to break with a century of tradition and endorse just one of the democratic candidates during the primary. Not that it's a good idea.
In Planned Parenthood's case probably because they decided to break with a century of tradition and endorse just one of the democratic candidates during the primary. Not that it's a good idea.
mentallyinept
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Welp... the gaffe finally happened.
This is .50 caliber political ammo for Hillary.
This is .50 caliber political ammo for Hillary.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
He seems to have gotten himself entrenched into the idea of "Us Outsiders versus the Establishment".
When you start framing everything that way, you forget that not all of the establishment is a problem.
When you start framing everything that way, you forget that not all of the establishment is a problem.
FreddieQuell
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I don't disagree that this will be construed to hurt him, but there is a sense that he's now anti planned parenthood that doesn't make sense.
And Bernie was against a non-discrimination bill for Burlington in the 90s and publicly told the Vermont legislature not to pursue a gay marriage bill for reasons. Both have complicated histories with gay rights, but Hill has probably done more during her time as SoS than any other modern politician for gay rights in terms of promoting gay rights as human rights abroad. That's why the HRC endorsed HRC.
Also I get what Bernie is saying, but what a dumb, stupid way to say it. You can't fight everyone.
Netherscourge
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I see his angle...
Planned Parenthood is a SuperPAC for Hillary Clinton.
But is he attacking it because it's a SuperPAC? Or because it's a Hillary Clinton SuperPAC?
Motive is the question here. Democrats attacking each other's SuperPAC funding is politically dangerous for the whole party. Trump can do it because he's distanced himself from the party and is still trouncing all the GoP's preferred candidates. He doesn't give a damn about the GoP implosion going on.
Perhaps what Bernie is doing is a tip of the hat to Trump's scorched earth strategy?
Planned Parenthood is a SuperPAC for Hillary Clinton.
But is he attacking it because it's a SuperPAC? Or because it's a Hillary Clinton SuperPAC?
Motive is the question here. Democrats attacking each other's SuperPAC funding is politically dangerous for the whole party. Trump can do it because he's distanced himself from the party and is still trouncing all the GoP's preferred candidates. He doesn't give a damn about the GoP implosion going on.
Perhaps what Bernie is doing is a tip of the hat to Trump's scorched earth strategy?
I love the mental gymnastics going on with this post. You're pretending "establishment" = government, and that a guy running under the moniker of democratic socialist is anti-government.
He was stating his disappointment that the heads of these organizations (who both worked for Bill and Hillary's campaigns - so conflict of interest) threw their name recognition not only behind a candidate who fought against them (at least one), but a candidate they themselves rate lower than Bernie among their metrics and who they did not confer with their members about.
But of course, the framing of this is intentional, a dogwhistle we shame Republicans for, but have no problem spinning into Hillary's favor.
It really is, Planned Parenthood provides so many health services that would be damned near impossible for poor people. Abortion is really a small part of it, there has been a war on women's bodies the last 10 years.
excelsiorlef
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Did Planned Parenthood also take him out of context? They immediately expressed disappointment with what he said.
LegendofLex
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Of course they did, no organization wants to be painted as supporting - whether directly or indirectly - policies that don't mesh well with the best interests of their clients.
In the interview he was specifically asked about the HRC and PP endorsements, it seemed pretty obvious what he was talking about.
DrROBschiz
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Either way Bernie should have worded it better
Needs more training but part of the charm is that HE IS an honest grassroots politician thats going to make these mistakes
Its actually a shame that instead of doing their research people just let themselves get spoonfed misinformation
Yes he should have specified, but also we should be an informed public.... blah blah rant rant
SenorArdilla
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Establishment = Bad
Of course they're defensive about it.
Of course they're defensive about it.
PP response: https://twitter.com/PPact/status/689668293062455296
digita1alchemy
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This thread:
This is just gotcha politics bullshit.
This is just gotcha politics bullshit.
illusionspark
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That HRC twitter quote is cringe-worthy.
nah they were totally going to explain Bernie's good intentions to the candidate they endorsed' sleazy campaign who purposefully spun it.
What he said isn't necessarily wrong and isn't an indictment on PP. Sanders is all about getting money out of politics, and whether or not you stand behind PP, they do prop up candidates. It's too bad that Dems can get behind his attacks on the political establishment, but then immediately turn their backs when Sanders mentions that a sacred cow of the party is part of the problem too.
That said, this was a straight up dumb thing to say when in a tight race for the Democratic nomination. Political suicide.
That said, this was a straight up dumb thing to say when in a tight race for the Democratic nomination. Political suicide.
DrROBschiz
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Thats almost a smoking gun that they are in Hillary's pocket lol
LegendofLex
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That's kind of a straw man, since he isn't saying they don't fight like hell to protect women's health - or that Hillary doesn't.
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They said "we don't like being called part of the establishment". Which they did because their words carry weight.... because they're part of the establishment.
It's very sad really.
With the political environment what it is surrounding Planned Parenthood, there is no excuse for any left-wing person to say something negative in the same breath as their name. Even when PP endorsed Hillary, they still said positive things about Bernie. It's just not excusable for a politician to not understand that the timing is terrible and makes him look terrible.
Yeah, this is a very good point.
Bernie has been a poor ally to women in the first place and still isn't perceived as one.
PP can't really be quiet and continue to exist
PP can't really be quiet and continue to exist
Its a jump to a conclusion to say he's anti pp. It's a statement that will be taken out of context, and he needs to be abundantly clear about pp when he's looking to court the female vote. I said it earlier, its a game. Just a opportunity to gain or lose support. When you have the gop trying to gut it, this isn't exactly a positive situation that he is about to find himself in.
Just a shame he didn't elaborate.
Yall are playing semantics. This is politics. All that Matters is what people think you mean.
excelsiorlef
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He support PP, but he says PP is still a part of the establisment.
Pls explain.
DrROBschiz
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Campaign Finance reform angle is a strong enough reason to challenge PP and they should know it
Especially after all the controversy
gutter_trash
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i find this comment perplexing coming from someone who wants government to do more, in the end all major organizations run by public money is the part of the big government machine
Sanders comes off like an moran here
Sanders comes off like an moran here
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
The guy is right. For some people this is hard news to swallow. Those people will spin the news and reinforce the establishment.
Boom. This is why its disappointing.
Hes playing the game of politics and fumbling.
Probably could have communicated that better
No he's right. Planned Parenthood is a part of the establisment wherever you like it or not.
DrROBschiz
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Its more about balance of power through separation
If we want these government institutions to function there needed to be entities of accountability and fairness
illusionspark
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Bernie Sanders hates women and gays! He can't be president!
googleplex
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Supremely stupid to include Planned Parenthood in that statement. Like REALLY STUPID
phazedplasma
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Taken so far out of context. jesus you guys are jumping down his throat cause of a headline.
Hes not wrong. If you support Clinton as a individual or group you are establishment. There is nothing progressive about her.
Hes not wrong. If you support Clinton as a individual or group you are establishment. There is nothing progressive about her.
SenorArdilla
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Yeah. He could have phrased that out better.
Veritigo_X
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Perfect. No need to try to paint them as an enemy of his campaign over an endorsement.
but aren't those two things the same? if he believes the establishment is working to gridlock those that are not a part of it (particularly in the context of Bernie not being 1. establishment, 2. a democrat, and 3. endorsed by planned parenthood) then... well, it seem pretty "me vs. establishment" to me.
for me, this just demonstrates how reductive and limited a blanket "establishment"/"not-establishment" world view is and why that view can be useful when it comes to economic inequality and the billionaires, but less so when it comes to a lot of Bernie's weaker areas (ie. foreign policy, guns, occasional social issues). at the end of the day, Bernie is a politician—there's only so much he can ever claim to divorce himself from that dreaded political establishment when he's been a career politician his whole life. he's worked to change the system from within the system, just as other "establishment" organizations like PP and HRC have.
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