If true then I don't really mind cutting it out. I mean it's optional and won't interrupt "normal" players, but It's clearly a controversial addition in the series and not including it in the localization is a business move, and a right one at that, considering the reactions in this thread.
Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame
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REMAINSILLY
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Look, guys, I don't need a video game's help jerking off to lolis, so I'm not too upset about this, honestly.
Neither you nor I are mind-readers, so you're right, no one should say "definitely." I'll instead say I strongly suspect this is done out of fear of controversy.
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Novel Mike
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Okay first off I want to start by bringing up something I couldn't really find in this topic, what exactly this feature did (if anything) from http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=54895
So lets take away the actual act of the skinship mini game for a moment and what we have is Nintendo removing a feature that provided a support and battle bonus to characters that is optional but useful, take that as you will (either positive or negative or just indifferent).
Now lets talk about the actual skinship events, I watched a few before I posted this and while I thought it was weird (I can certainly see some people saying creepy, I guess) its not as if you are touching these peoples private parts or really even in a sexual way (although it sounds like the S ranked conversations during this can be much more lewd) and sounds like it was completely harmless... weird, but harmless.
The actual problem I have with this however is that after Awakening was such a big hit in the west Nintendo knew they would be bringing Fates to the west (correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the first announcement of the game also a confirmation it would be coming to the west?) and most people would tell you with one look at the skinship system from the original announcement that there was no way it would come over to the west as it was...
So why was it still in the game as it is? Why instead of just a simple face touching mini game wasn't it changed to be more of an interactive support mechanic where instead of touching peoples faces you converse with and 'touch' (not the same thing, keep reading!) the other character. Say one of the characters is feeling down about their performance in battle, you could raise their spirits by patting them on the back and telling them they were fine/can do better/you believe in them, ect or if they did really well you can high-five or fist bump or something, if you are romancing someone can hold hands, or hug, you get the idea. Touching itself is a powerful thing with people you care about and I think it could actually be a good mechanic. Keep the idea of 'skinship' but making it less creepy for general audiences and perhaps actually have more character development in such segments, because as it stands we now don't have this feature and any voiced lines along with it that could have provided more character interaction which is the reason I like the FE series so much is the character interaction, even if the feature was weird.
So that's my question or rather suggestion to Nintendo going forward, if you actually going to have to remove features from a game in one region or another why aren't you talking to the developers to design features to be appropriate for all? I think the alternative I listed in the last paragraph is better all around then face touching and you would generally see less backlash then every time you remove something from a game because of localization. I don't want things removed from my game so either give people the option or stop designing things that you end up having to to remove in western releases.
To some, this is a non-issue and I get that, its a small thing but I like my games to be complete and the idea that I'm paying a high premium for the game already (its 80$ for this game, don't say its not because we all know it is!) and it has less content (even if that content I freely admit is weird and I would mostly laugh at) just doesn't sit well with me.
So lets take away the actual act of the skinship mini game for a moment and what we have is Nintendo removing a feature that provided a support and battle bonus to characters that is optional but useful, take that as you will (either positive or negative or just indifferent).
Now lets talk about the actual skinship events, I watched a few before I posted this and while I thought it was weird (I can certainly see some people saying creepy, I guess) its not as if you are touching these peoples private parts or really even in a sexual way (although it sounds like the S ranked conversations during this can be much more lewd) and sounds like it was completely harmless... weird, but harmless.
The actual problem I have with this however is that after Awakening was such a big hit in the west Nintendo knew they would be bringing Fates to the west (correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the first announcement of the game also a confirmation it would be coming to the west?) and most people would tell you with one look at the skinship system from the original announcement that there was no way it would come over to the west as it was...
So why was it still in the game as it is? Why instead of just a simple face touching mini game wasn't it changed to be more of an interactive support mechanic where instead of touching peoples faces you converse with and 'touch' (not the same thing, keep reading!) the other character. Say one of the characters is feeling down about their performance in battle, you could raise their spirits by patting them on the back and telling them they were fine/can do better/you believe in them, ect or if they did really well you can high-five or fist bump or something, if you are romancing someone can hold hands, or hug, you get the idea. Touching itself is a powerful thing with people you care about and I think it could actually be a good mechanic. Keep the idea of 'skinship' but making it less creepy for general audiences and perhaps actually have more character development in such segments, because as it stands we now don't have this feature and any voiced lines along with it that could have provided more character interaction which is the reason I like the FE series so much is the character interaction, even if the feature was weird.
So that's my question or rather suggestion to Nintendo going forward, if you actually going to have to remove features from a game in one region or another why aren't you talking to the developers to design features to be appropriate for all? I think the alternative I listed in the last paragraph is better all around then face touching and you would generally see less backlash then every time you remove something from a game because of localization. I don't want things removed from my game so either give people the option or stop designing things that you end up having to to remove in western releases.
To some, this is a non-issue and I get that, its a small thing but I like my games to be complete and the idea that I'm paying a high premium for the game already (its 80$ for this game, don't say its not because we all know it is!) and it has less content (even if that content I freely admit is weird and I would mostly laugh at) just doesn't sit well with me.
Garrett Hawke
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I seriously don't get why they took it out tho
The conversation sure but as that Kotaku writer noted it's incredibly rare to depict physical intimacy in games even if it is in a little... strange way but I'm sure most would argue that if you can do it to characters of any gender it's not that big of a deal.
The conversation sure but as that Kotaku writer noted it's incredibly rare to depict physical intimacy in games even if it is in a little... strange way but I'm sure most would argue that if you can do it to characters of any gender it's not that big of a deal.
nckillthegrimace
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Those localizers up in the Treehouse should have applied that acute game design acumen to those garbage Paper Toad missions in Paper Jam. Would have made the game roughly eight times better.
*Reads thread*
This thread absolutely disgusts me.
Creative freedom shaming, censorship based on region perception and cost cutting measures, shaming attempts at "intimate concepts" in games, and somehow shaming "muh fire emblem too animu" when it has been animu since day one. That last one is weird. Are ye ashamed of liking anime? What are ye lot, 12?
A lot of you peeps need to mature up yesterday. Lost dialogues erk me the most out of this latest censorship. Looks like my decision to not import backfired. Cannot and will not support this move by the NoA.
Which is unfortunate considering that "date rape" scene I thought NoA made the right step forward but the cutting of minigame which is conpletely optional is taking two steps backwards. I personally do not care for the petting but I would like to have tried it at least once. The dialogues being lost due to the removal though erks me. One of the things I enjoy most of FE is its script. Any removal of dialogues unless controversial can only be a bad thing.
Also, in a sakurai interview where he had his say on this, just ignore the optional shit like he says. Its optional. Why so erked over something completely optional? Its like some of ye are just looking for an excuse to be offended, creeped out, etc. Any excuse to not buy the game. The date rape scene is messed up and the changes justified. Someone at IS screwed up bad there.
The removal/changes make sense.
But removing optional not even sexual petting with dialogues being lost by association? Just because of an immature few who get uncomfortable with JUST PETTING? That there is some sad business. Are y'all lot just as uncomfortable watching people hold hands? Is holding hands too 'intense" for ye? There is no defense for this. At all. How can one get uncomfortable? And because of this, dialogues are lost. Very Disappointed. Gonna import my game now. Good grief.
The saddest part is that Supposedly FE fans were not gonna buy this game because of petting, too animu, or w/e bs reason one can come up with. Some FE fan there. Disgusting.
This thread absolutely disgusts me.
Creative freedom shaming, censorship based on region perception and cost cutting measures, shaming attempts at "intimate concepts" in games, and somehow shaming "muh fire emblem too animu" when it has been animu since day one. That last one is weird. Are ye ashamed of liking anime? What are ye lot, 12?
A lot of you peeps need to mature up yesterday. Lost dialogues erk me the most out of this latest censorship. Looks like my decision to not import backfired. Cannot and will not support this move by the NoA.
Which is unfortunate considering that "date rape" scene I thought NoA made the right step forward but the cutting of minigame which is conpletely optional is taking two steps backwards. I personally do not care for the petting but I would like to have tried it at least once. The dialogues being lost due to the removal though erks me. One of the things I enjoy most of FE is its script. Any removal of dialogues unless controversial can only be a bad thing.
Also, in a sakurai interview where he had his say on this, just ignore the optional shit like he says. Its optional. Why so erked over something completely optional? Its like some of ye are just looking for an excuse to be offended, creeped out, etc. Any excuse to not buy the game. The date rape scene is messed up and the changes justified. Someone at IS screwed up bad there.
The removal/changes make sense.
But removing optional not even sexual petting with dialogues being lost by association? Just because of an immature few who get uncomfortable with JUST PETTING? That there is some sad business. Are y'all lot just as uncomfortable watching people hold hands? Is holding hands too 'intense" for ye? There is no defense for this. At all. How can one get uncomfortable? And because of this, dialogues are lost. Very Disappointed. Gonna import my game now. Good grief.
The saddest part is that Supposedly FE fans were not gonna buy this game because of petting, too animu, or w/e bs reason one can come up with. Some FE fan there. Disgusting.
Cizeta-Moroder
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Machoke's bulge is much more my speed anyway.
I'm pleased with this removal. Might actually end up buying the game.
More than that, I'm amused. Won't be bothering to follow the shitstorm, but the news alone got a cuckle out of me.
I'm pleased with this removal. Might actually end up buying the game.
More than that, I'm amused. Won't be bothering to follow the shitstorm, but the news alone got a cuckle out of me.
Coffee Dog
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dresses that conveniently don't go any lower than the upper, upper thigh, you mean
captainpat
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Yes, cause touch a girl's head is hella hot loli action.
Waylon Drums
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Fifteen!
wild wild rice
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post of the day
LordMuffin
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This is some misguided parallelism you're making here. A movie has a completely different type of fruition compared to a game where pace isn't as paramount of a factor where everything has to wrap up neatly in around two hours.
There's no heavy obligation to having internal coherence in a world where games have those nice things called menus that let you select what mode you want to play, all the while not subtracting from any main or story mode. Hence, removing such game modes basically boils down to self censorship.
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TriAceJP
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I don't think anyone is taking exception with the game's kooky personality.
Astral Dog
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Fuck you NOA
Be careful, posts like this will get you put on a government list.
You're sick. Look for mental help as soon as possible.
REMAINSILLY
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I do what I can.
A Link to the Past
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What kind of dialogue was lost?
sensui-tomo
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Yes you can still marry your four sisters or have that incest route with your male character.
Snkfanatic
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Oh joy...this kind of idiotic post is starting.
I'm sure they have a platonic mind controlled marriage.
ZombiePlatypus
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Let's just go all the way and make sure the game will be totally clean and serious. All characters will be covered completely from the neck down. Hair will also be covered. They will also be gender neutral. Hugs, attacks with physical content and touching of any sort between characters will be cut.
There. Respectable RPG.
Anything less than this is equivalent to eating shit apparently and totally compromises the game's and player's dignity. 😞
Enter the Dragon Punch
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well as long as we can still rawdog our adoptive family members i don't see the issue
Scientist Supreme!
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Because people like the ones in this thread don't actually know or care about that stuff and would continue saying "creepy" and express joy at its exclusion.
DecoReturns
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I don't care about the change. Was never gonna use it, but I wasn't bother by its inclusion.
I was more concern about the gameplay, but Intelligent systems got me covered on that.
I was more concern about the gameplay, but Intelligent systems got me covered on that.
SliceSabre
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Holy shit what does lolis even have to do with this discussion?
Haunted
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I think it does have an impact on the overall tone of the game. There's an intent on the side of the developers here to provide something to a certain part of the fanbase, and that absolutely affects how the game as a designed piece and as a whole is perceived, even if someone would not engage with that particular content.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
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dresses that conveniently don't go any lower than the upper, upper thigh, you mean
...I'm not debating this (I think FE3 Tiki has a bad outfit myself), but am... I... supposed to wear pants with longer dresses? No one told me this .-.
Snkfanatic
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Everything anime is lolis to a good chunk of this place.
Everyone knows that touching faces is the lewdest thing you can do.
At least wear protection!
*hands Kyzon oven mitts*
AcademicSaucer
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It seems unnecesary to cut it out if it was optional, anyway, there is a fantranslation of the japanese version right ?
chaosblade
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Removing it entirely seems excessive, but I can't say I'll miss it.
It is nice they are telling us about these changes before release.
It is nice they are telling us about these changes before release.
isn't this game called Loli Emblem?
...its not? crap, I preordered the wrong game :/
ShinRPGamer
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You really want this discussion to go there, don't you?
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