Cat trapped in the body of a 20 year old Norwegian girl.

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HUELEN10 said:
...Who said it's a choice?

Some people in this very thread have said essentially that she's mentally ill or fucked in the head. If that is the case, how can that be a choice?

Are you implying someone chooses to be what some would call mentally ill?
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You're barking up a free-will tree here.
 
cpp_is_king said:
How do you feel about someone who tells you they're God? Because it doesn't seem all that much different to me.

Transgender and trans-anything else is a completely different story, but trans-species? Come on.
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Your comment read as a dismissal of transgender issues to me as you were essentially lumping it all in.
 
HUELEN10 said:
...Who said it's a choice?

Some people in this very thread have said essentially that she's mentally ill or fucked in the head. If that is the case, how can that be a choice?

Are you implying someone chooses to be what some would call mentally ill?
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I'm not pretending to understand it. I said I think she needs therapy, but I don't know if this is really a mental illness, or if she just found something that gets her attention and decided to turn it into her personality. Certainly if its an illness, she has no choice in the matter, but I just don't know.
 
HUELEN10 said:
Trust me then I say I don't "bark" up anything.

Why would anyone CHOOSE to be mental ill? Mental illness is not a choice. That is all I am saying, I am not saying this girl is mentally ill or not.
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If your suffer from mental illness, you can still make choices. Unless you don't subscribe to the notion of free-will.
 
Pork said:
They're all "trans." At the very least, that makes them somewhat related. Simply insisting they're not is not a good enough argument.

As for respect, again, the exact same thing can be said for transsexualism. Anti-trans people still insist that "literally impossible for you to become a man/woman" if you aren't born into that sex. There are plenty of "casually" transphobic people who say similar things. "If you want to dress up like a lady and call yourself a 'woman,' fine, whatever, but don't expect me to go along with your delusions; as far as I'm concerned you're still just a man in a lady's dress."

You're right in that this has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preferences. As to transgender people, they do share the commonality of being "trans."

In the end, these are all labels that are socially constructed. How we define sex, gender, species, or what animal you are are all social constructs. Thus ultimately none of it is a tangible reality, meaning that with enough social pressure, our way of thinking about it can completely change.

Welcome to the age of identity politics.




That's the same thing people said about changing your sex/gender, or about gay marriage. They were "literal impossibilities" because of how those things were defined. Over time, those definitions changed, social attitudes shifted, and now not only are they possible, it's an offense to deny that they are.
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Did you just say that what animal you are is a social construct? What?

Transsexual or transgender people aren't a social construct, there's science and explanation of these things. Claiming you are a cat isn't in the same realm. At all.

Comparing this to trans people is really ignorant.
 
HUELEN10 said:
Trust me then I say I don't "bark" up anything.
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Honestly comparing a delusional person that needs help to transgender and gay people just reads as transphobic and homophobic. I can't believe some people here are serious.

She says she speaks in cat language, sees in the dark and has cat instincts. She is delusional because nothing she says is possible or grounded in reality.
 
You ever notice how whenever things like this appear it's always a cool animal like a cat, a dog a wolf or a dragon or something

I don't see anyone identifying as a slug
 
kiguel182 said:
Did you just say that what animal you are is a social construct? What?

Transsexual or transgender people aren't a social construct, there's science and explanation of these things. Claiming you are a cat isn't in the same realm. At all.

Comparing this to trans people is really ignorant.
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Yes, even what defines a "species" is ultimately arbitrary/a social construct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species#Biologists.27_working_definition

And transsexualism and transgenderism are absolutely social constructs. This is because both sex and gender are both ultimately social constructs as well. What defines a "male/female" or a "man/woman" are not hard, tangible facts. They are bound only in definition, which in turn is constructed based on a social understanding.

PS It isn't transphobic unless it's being used to attack transsexuals/transgendered people. This isn't the case here. That's just an ad hominem attack. As to being homophobic... What? When were homosexuals brought into the equation?
 
Anyone else bothered that her cat ear headband doesn't match her hair color, and her tail doesn't match her cat ear headband?

She's a fucking rainbow of colors and that's silly.

Unless she's a calico I guess. Red hair, black ears, white tail.

NEvermind guys, totally fucking checks out ^____________^
 
Conkersbadfurday said:
Anyone else bothered that her cat ear headband doesn't match her hair color, and her tail doesn't match her cat ear headband?

She's a fucking rainbow of colors and that's silly.

Unless she's a calico I guess. Red hair, black ears, white tail.

NEvermind guys, totally fucking checks out ^____________^
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Plus alot of her traits shes taken on are exaggerations/myths/ect of Cats, don't understand why the people that identify as animals don't seem to do any research into the animal they believe they are. Or the ones that believe they are mythological creatures, consider myself *liberal* or *progressive* but this one takes it too far for me, either mental illness or some sort of attention seeking.
 
"What are the advantages to being a cat?"
"I can hear a lot better than people"

Well no, considering you're a cat trapped in a human body, which would give you normal human ears, not cat ears. I do not think she can perceive 79khz. So... there's a lie right there...
 
Pork said:
Yes, even what defines a "species" is ultimately arbitrary/a social construct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species#Biologists.27_working_definition

And transsexualism and transgenderism are absolutely social constructs. This is because both sex and gender are both ultimately social constructs as well. What defines a "male/female" or a "man/woman" are not hard, tangible facts. They are bound only in definition, which in turn is constructed based on a social understanding.

PS It isn't transphobic unless it's being used to attack transsexuals/transgendered people. This isn't the case here. That's just an ad hominem attack. As to being homophobic... What? When were homosexuals brought into the equation?
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Please note you are using the terms (transsexualism and transgenderism) that TERFS and anti-trans people use to make us sound diseased

Edit: Narrowing this to say the main one to avoid is transgenderism but both are fairly clinical and there are frankly just better words
 
excelsiorlef said:
Please note you are using the terms (transsexualism and transgenderism) that TERFS and anti-trans people use to make us sound diseased
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They are legitimate, recognized terms without any sort of negative or positive connotation; the poster did note that they were not using the terms to attack.

In related note, the discussion has actually gone on wiki for some time. Perhaps in the future, the consensus will come up with better, more inclusive, more neutral terminology with no attachment to prior terms. I just don't like it when the term is attacked when it is not used in hate, only because I have trans friends that use it regularly. To them at least, there is nothing that sounds disease-related to the term transsexual; I know one of my friends in particular who would take great offense if this was even suggested. I do respect that understand that different people feel differently about these things though.
 
HUELEN10 said:
They are legitimate, recognized terms without any sort of negative or positive connotation; the poster did note that they were not using the terms to attack.

In related note, the discussion has actually gone on wiki for some time. Perhaps in the future, the consensus will come up with better, more inclusive, more neutral terminology with no attachment to prior terms. I just don't like it when the term is attacked when it is not used in hate, only because I have trans friends that use it regularly. To them at least, there is nothing that sounds disease-related to the term transsexual; I know one of my friends in particular who would take great offense if this was even suggested. I do respect that understand that different people feel differently about these things though.
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Don't quote Wikipedia to discredit me.

Problematic: "transgenderism"
Preferred: none
This is not a term commonly used by transgender people. This is a term used by anti-transgender activists to dehumanize transgender people and reduce who they are to "a condition." Refer to being transgender instead, or refer to the transgender community. You can also refer to the movement for transgender equality.
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http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

Also don't I have trans friends me either...

Google the word. 85% is anti-trans hateful garbage. The words are used to hate.

That Wiki uses it shows the intense bias and lack of knowledge and diversity within that community.
 
Pork said:
In the end, these are all labels that are socially constructed. How we define sex, gender, species, or what animal you are are all social constructs. Thus ultimately none of it is a tangible reality, meaning that with enough social pressure, our way of thinking about it can completely change.

Welcome to the age of identity politics.
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I feel like we've hit the end of the line with the "social construct" argument once we start talking about what kind of animals we are.
 
Conkersbadfurday said:
Anyone else bothered that her cat ear headband doesn't match her hair color, and her tail doesn't match her cat ear headband?

She's a fucking rainbow of colors and that's silly.

Unless she's a calico I guess. Red hair, black ears, white tail.

NEvermind guys, totally fucking checks out ^____________^
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Not the same thing at all, but Cosplayers and the pet play community have arguments on right inside ear and outside ear fur color all the time.

excelsiorlef said:
You quoted wiki to tell me I'm wrong. Come on.
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Not really, I was elaborating on another point of view, and a alternate way of looking at it. I am not saying you're wrong, I am saying that what I presented is legitimate, that is all. For me to be right (if you can even call it that, I'm just posting some alternate viewpoints) you don't have to be wrong. No personal attacks were intended in the least. I don't attack people, specially not for merely thinking differently than me; it's not my style.
 
Maximo said:
Plus alot of her traits shes taken on are exaggerations/myths/ect of Cats, don't understand why the people that identify as animals don't seem to do any research into the animal they believe they are.
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No matter what the internet has told you, Maximo, cats can't do research. Don't be silly now.
 
cosmicblizzard said:
What if at some point in the future, it's found to be not impossible?
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That will never happen. Our knowledge of biological science shows that no one was ever a cat in the womb but accidentally became human. Or, how about those who believe they're the (re)incarnations of fictional characters that never existed in the first place?

This is separate from "I want to be a cat and will use medical science to one day become one".
 
Chmpocalypse said:
That will never happen. Our knowledge of biological science shows that no one was ever a cat in the womb but accidentally became human. Or, how about those who believe they're the (re)incarnations of fictional characters that never existed in the first place?

This is separate from "I want to be a cat and will use medical science to one day become one".
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You shut your damn mouf!

I'm trans-Skywalker!
 
Fudgepuppy said:
Being from Scandinavia, I can tell you this is what happens when people have too few real problems.
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That is my favorite version of "first world problems"

excelsiorlef said:
Please note you are using the terms (transsexualism and transgenderism) that TERFS and anti-trans people use to make us sound diseased
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To be fair the last thing TERFs want is to make trans something "real", and like it or not, diseases are real =P
 
In ten years, when everyone is cool with people thinking they're cats, dogs, frying pans and aubergines born in human bodies, I'll happily be called a bigot for saying how god damn stupid this shit is.
 
I hate this "otherkin" nonsense. I don't even believe it's a mental illness. It's just kids who spent too much time on the internet, saw other people pretending to the "otherkin," and thought, "Hey, I bet it would make me different and special and interesting if I were an otherkin too!" and *poof* suddenly they decide they're otherkin.

excelsiorlef said:
Don't quote Wikipedia to discredit me.


http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

Also don't I have trans friends me either...

Google the word. 85% is anti-trans hateful garbage. The words are used to hate.

That Wiki uses it shows the intense bias and lack of knowledge and diversity within that community.
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Getting semantic as fuck like this doesn't encourage a dialogue between transgender people and people who don't understand transgender people. It does exactly the opposite. It scares people away and makes them dissociate with the transgender community. It makes them not even want to discuss transgender people, because if they accidentally use the wrong word, transgender people jump all over them.

If you want people on your side, don't jump on someone who's clearly not being transphobic and call them transphobic. Maybe use your brain to interpret what the person is saying before immediately leaping to, "You USED THE WRONG WORD AND THAT'S OFFENSIVE!!!"
 
KevinCow said:
I hate this "otherkin" nonsense. I don't even believe it's a mental illness. It's just kids who spent too much time on the internet, saw other people pretending to the "otherkin," and thought, "Hey, I bet it would make me different and special and interesting if I were an otherkin too!" and *poof* suddenly they decide they're otherkin.



Getting semantic as fuck like this doesn't encourage a dialogue between transgender people and people who don't understand transgender people. It does exactly the opposite. It scares people away and makes them dissociate with the transgender community. It makes them not even want to discuss transgender people, because if they accidentally use the wrong word, transgender people jump all over them.

If you want people on your side, don't jump on someone who's clearly not being transphobic and call them transphobic. Maybe use your brain to interpret what the person is saying before immediately leaping to, "You USED THE WRONG WORD AND THAT'S OFFENSIVE!!!"
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Please note all I said was he used terms frequently used by anti-trans people. That's all. It's important for people to avoid language that is used to attack us.
 
kiguel182 said:
Honestly comparing a delusional person that needs help to transgender and gay people just reads as transphobic and homophobic. I can't believe some people here are serious.

She says she speaks in cat language, sees in the dark and has cat instincts. She is delusional because nothing she says is possible or grounded in reality.
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The thing is, you'd imagine that the same breath of thought that would stop someone from making fun of someone different from them (e.g. LGBT) would stop them from coming here and making all kinds of jokes and mean spirited comments as if the girl's habits were a direct attack on their morals. Which makes you think about how nice of a person they are or claim to be when saying "i'm ok with a lot of things but not this", which the nastiest side of this thread can be reduced to.

Playful jest is ok, but it's fragile and doesn't hide meanness however much you try.
 
It reminds me of the Final Fantasy VII house, the cult in which a small group of people thought they were reincarnations of Vincent, Aerith, Sephiroth etc.
I don't like being reminded of that !
Actually, I do.
 
KevinCow said:
Getting semantic as fuck like this doesn't encourage a dialogue between transgender people and people who don't understand transgender people. It does exactly the opposite. It scares people away and makes them dissociate with the transgender community. It makes them not even want to discuss transgender people, because if they accidentally use the wrong word, transgender people jump all over them
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If you are going to go off when someone informs you which words are used as pinprick attacks on them, you might want to re-assess if you view yourself as an ally or a moment of your ego is more important than someone that has to deal with actively attacked by other people every day.
 
Octavia said:
"What are the advantages to being a cat?"
"I can hear a lot better than people"

Well no, considering you're a cat trapped in a human body, which would give you normal human ears, not cat ears. I do not think she can perceive 79khz. So... there's a lie right there...
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You'd think she'd say night vision was an advantage to being a cat, since cats are a lot more well known their night vision then their hearing.
 
FyreWulff said:
If you are going to go off when someone informs you which words are used as pinprick attacks on them, you might want to re-assess if you view yourself as an ally or a moment of your ego is more important than someone that has to deal with actively attacked by other people every day.
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Word..
 
Are you hurting yourself? No

Are you hurting anyone? No

Are any laws being broken? No

Do I have to pay straight out of my pocket? No


Then do you all day long
 
Raist said:
Are you serious?
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I cite again

Problematic: "transgenderism"
Preferred: none
This is not a term commonly used by transgender people. This is a term used by anti-transgender activists to dehumanize transgender people and reduce who they are to "a condition." Refer to being transgender instead, or refer to the transgender community. You can also refer to the movement for transgender equality.
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http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender
 
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