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http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/bernie-sanders-ben-jealous-endorsement-naacp/index.html

(CNN)—Ben Jealous, the former head of the NAACP, will endorse Bernie Sanders, a source familiar with the campaign told CNN.

The endorsement is a potential boost to Sanders who has struggled to gain traction among African-American voters, though he has made small gains on Democratic presidential rival Hillary Clinton, according to recent polls.

Jealous, 43, is set to appear with Sanders in New Hampshire ahead of the February 9 primary to announce his support.

Elected to the NAACP post in 2008, Jealous was the youngest person to head the civil rights organization. Credited with re-invigorating the organization and making it more politically relevant, Jealous served for four years.

Jealous joins a list of prominent African-Americans who have endorsed Sanders, among them Nina Turner, a former Ohio state legislator, Rep. Keith Ellison and Cornel West.

In South Carolina, a number of state legislators have also endorsed Sanders, including Justin Bamberg who switched his allegiance from Clinton to Sanders.

Edit: I may have jumped the gun on this. He is set to endorse. CNN reported it on TV like he stated he endorsed him.

 

[Volimar]

Didn't Bernie march with MLK? Someone should let people know.

Spoiler

I honestly don't understand the disconnect with minorities.

 

[OnPoint]

Thought for sure it was gonna be

 

[Thatonemoor]

Didn't Bernie march with MLK? Someone should let people know.

Spoiler

I honestly don't understand the disconnect with minorities.

Bernie just isn't popular with black people. I don't think anyone fully understands it.

 

[SlimySnake]

Hillary must be jealous.

 

[Valhelm]

Didn't Bernie march with MLK? Someone should let people know.

Spoiler

I honestly don't understand the disconnect with minorities.

I think it's a mix of a cultural disconnect, a belief that he can't win an election, and unfamiliaraity

 

[Black Republican]

i actually do think this can help recognition wise

 

[cDNA]

Hillary must be jealous.

No, all the black leaders that have endorsed her are part of the establishment and must be ignored.

 

[Abounder]

I think it's a mix of a cultural disconnect, a belief that he can't win an election, and unfamiliaraity

Unfamiliarity is it, after all this is the 4th Clinton campaign

 

[brochiller]

Hillary must ben jealous.

FTFY.

 

[facelike]

I think it's a mix of a cultural disconnect, a belief that he can't win an election, and unfamiliaraity

No, it's just unfamiliarity.

 

[reKon]

Thought for sure it was gonna be

this thread was my all time favorite ever on Neogaf. I've never laughed harder with the combination of good material and posts.

 

[Aztechnology]

this thread was my all time favorite ever on Neogaf. I've never laughed harder with the combination of good material and posts.

Now imagine she lived in your town.

 

[phanphare]

hopefully this will help bernie with that demographic. he really does invoke the spirit of martin king, who also happened to believe in democratic socialism for america.

 

[RustyNails]

Has NAACP endorsed yet? Or do they stay out?

 

[Clefargle]

Didn't Bernie march with MLK? Someone should let people know.

Spoiler

I honestly don't understand the disconnect with minorities.

Yeah, let them know who "deserves" their vote? Gross

 

[Slayven]

HE can but the NAACP itself can't and doesn't endorse candidates

 

[Arkeband]

Yeah, let them know who "deserves" their vote? Gross

Only when you use the word "deserves" as a pejorative, which no one does.

If someone says "I think this person deserves your vote" that doesn't mean they're suddenly entitled to it, so why treat it that way? Being deserving of a vote means that, subjectively, they've passed some minimum qualification for consideration. Multiple candidates can deserve a vote.

 

[RustyNails]

HE can but the NAACP itself can't and doesn't endorse candidates

That answers my question.

 

[Barzul]

Didn't Bernie march with MLK? Someone should let people know.

Spoiler

I honestly don't understand the disconnect with minorities.

What does him having marched with MLK do for black people? Should black people like oh he marched with MLK he definitely gets it. People have different things they want to see in a political candidate and it's not always about how they connect with us on a race level. I currently support Bernie but my cousin is a big Hilary supporter. He just does not believe that Bernie Sanders can get enough bipartisan support to pass the stuff he's proposing.

 

[AlphaDump]

Has NAACP endorsed yet? Or do they stay out?

He is the former head of NAACP, so I don't think the endorsement is on their behalf. Just his own.

If anything it'd be from Kapor Capital, since that is where he currently is.

 

[Slayven]

That answers my question.

Due to their tax exempt status they can only really do voter education and registering type things

 

[SolarPowered]

Nice to see. I hope he picks up more momentum with the AA community and minorities in general. It's better for all of us when the leading dem candidate needs to fight for our vote.

 

[ChubbyHuggs]

among them Nina Turner

Read that as Tina Turner and was going to make a What's Love Got to do With It joke...

 

[Prologue]

I think it's a mix of a cultural disconnect, a belief that he can't win an election, and unfamiliaraity

Still makes my head go wild, and I'm a minority lol. I don't know why we think she would do more for us than Bernie.

Bernie might be idealistic.There might be a small chance of him being able to accomplish what he wants to without the people doing their part, but at least he's trying different than what we're use to. Almost every candidate is a multi-milionare that claims to know how we feel, when they really don't.

Idealistic men can be dangerous. And to have that kind of mindset in today's environment, definitely has my attention.

 

[Clefargle]

Only when you use the word "deserves" as a pejorative, which no one does.

No, but the idea that minorities don't know who has supported them in the past is insulting. It's like saying you know better.

 

[Infinite]

Still makes my head go wild, and I'm a minority lol. I don't know why we think she would do more for us than Bernie.

Not sure why people are assuming folks are Hillary supporters when they're luke warm about Bernie.

 

[Lkr]

franchesca ramsey was on the nightly show the other night and she was talking about how hillary won't address mass incarceration. and she has a point.

 

[Valhelm]

What does him having marched with MLK do for black people? Should black people like oh he marched with MLK he definitely gets it. People have different things they want to see in a political candidate and it's not always about how they connect with us on a race level. I currently support Bernie but my cousin is a big Hilary supporter. He just does not believe that Bernie Sanders can get enough bipartisan support to pass the stuff he's proposing.

Neither can Clinton, though. She's absolutely despised by the GOP.

Bernie Sanders is more progressive than Clinton when it comes to racial inequality and justice reform. He's the biggest advocate against mass incarceration in this country, while Clinton has actually accepted donations from private prisons.

You're right that "He marched with MLK!" doesn't mean anything. Instead, we Bernie supporters should let this country know how strongly Bernie cares about fighting structural racism.

 

[theignoramus]

franchesca ramsey was on the nightly show the other night and she was talking about how hillary won't address mass incarceration. and she has a point.

She did that during the last debate and specifically talked about sentencing disparity between the races. She should address her "superpredator" remarks from the 90s, thats what she ought to do.

 

[gcubed]

He is the former head of NAACP, so I don't think the endorsement is on their behalf. Just his own.

If anything it'd be from Kapor Capital, since that is where he currently is.

I see, already waffling on his scruples! Is Kapor less a less establishment venture capital firm? Or since they are in CA, they aren't part of wall st?

 

[Volimar]

Neither can Clinton, though. She's absolutely despised by the GOP.

Bernie Sanders is more progressive than Clinton when it comes to racial inequality and justice reform. He's the biggest advocate against mass incarceration in this country, while Clinton has actually accepted donations from private prisons.

You're right that "He marched with MLK!" doesn't mean anything. Instead, we Bernie supporters should let this country know how strongly Bernie cares about fighting structural racism.

More importantly, I was referencing the joke about how often it gets brought up. I honestly think that Bernie would fight more for equality, effective or not. But I also think that Hillary can probably bring a few more dems into Congress on her coattails than Bernie and do things better for all democrats in general.

 

[SlimySnake]

No, all the black leaders that have endorsed her are part of the establishment and must be ignored.

his name is Jealous.

 

[shintoki]

Neither can Clinton, though. She's absolutely despised by the GOP.

Bernie Sanders is more progressive than Clinton when it comes to racial inequality and justice reform. He's the biggest advocate against mass incarceration in this country, while Clinton has actually accepted donations from private prisons.

You're right that "He marched with MLK!" doesn't mean anything. Instead, we Bernie supporters should let this country know how strongly Bernie cares about fighting structural racism.

It's funny how it works out though. A lot of the laws for mass incarceration were passed during Clinton. I think Cops were able to start carrying big guns too thanks to the 90's law enforcement and more. Always add in the continual progression, most of which Sander's has been against.

Funny how people say she is more "for" the community.

 

[Arkeband]

What does him having marched with MLK do for black people? Should black people like oh he marched with MLK he definitely gets it. People have different things they want to see in a political candidate and it's not always about how they connect with us on a race level. I currently support Bernie but my cousin is a big Hilary supporter. He just does not believe that Bernie Sanders can get enough bipartisan support to pass the stuff he's proposing.

I think he was being facetious. The reason people even bring up MLK in the first place is because it's uncommon for an otherwise run of the mill old white guy to have a distinct past being involved with (to the point of getting arrested) social justice. From that fact you can branch out and explore Bernie's stance on how nearly every part of our society unfairly stacks the deck against black people (and other minorities), private prisons and drug laws being a huge part of that.

That being said, every person has every right to vote for whoever they want. If his stances toward racial inequality don't sway you, vote Hillary. The only republican candidate that even attempted to tackle this issue was Rand Paul and he just dropped out, so right now it's basically a binary choice. (That is, if as a minority you are voting with respect primarily to addressing racial inequality - you certainly don't have to)

 

[Jenov]

Thought for sure it was gonna be

lol, I admit this was my initial thought as well

 

[Tesseract]

awesome

 

[AlphaDump]

franchesca ramsey was on the nightly show the other night and she was talking about how hillary won't address mass incarceration. and she has a point.

HOLT: Alright, Governor, thank you.

Secretary Clinton, this is a community that has suffered a lot of heartache in the last year. Of course, as you mentioned, the church shootings. We won't forget the video of Walter Scott being shot in the back while running from police.

We understand that a jury will decide whether that police officer was justified, but it plays straight to the fears of many African American men that their lives are cheap. Is that perception, or in your view, is it reality?

CLINTON: Well, sadly it's reality, and it has been heartbreaking, and incredibly outraging to see the constant stories of young men like Walter Scott, as you said, who have been killed by police officers. Their needs to be a concerted effort to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system.

And, that requires a very clear, agenda for retraining police officers, looking at ways to end racial profiling, finding more ways to really bring the disparities that stalk our country into high relief.

One out of three African American men may well end up going to prison. That's the statistic. I want people hear to think what we would be doing if it was one out of three white men, and very often, the black men are arrested, convicted and incarcerated for offensive that do not lead to the same results for white men.

So, we have a very serious problem that we can no longer ignore.

SANDERS: ... Let me respond to what the secretary said. We have a criminal justice system which is broken. Who in America is satisfied that we have more people in jail than any other country on Earth, including China? Disproportionately African American, and Latino. Who is satisfied that 51% of African American young people are either unemployed, or underemployed? Who is satisfied that millions of people have police records for possessing marijuana when the CEO's of Wall Street companies who destroyed our economy have no police records.

I always found this response interesting from both Hillary and Bernie.

 

[Infinite]

It's funny how it works out though. A lot of the laws for mass incarceration were passed during Clinton. I think Cops were able to start carrying big guns too thanks to the 90's law enforcement and more. Always add in the continual progression, most of which Sander's has been against.

Funny how people say she is more "for" the community.

Who's saying this? Why do people have to make the case for Bernie by attacking Hillary?

 

[noshten]

Older African American voters(who voted in 08 primaries), simply don't know Bernie that well. The newest PPP poll which only polls prior primary voters had 50% who had no opinion on Sanders. Simply put his outreach with minorities is not at the needed level - with all the donations being made towards Bernie he needs to invest a lot of his funds into actually making himself known among African Americans and specifically older African American voters. It might not change the actual positioning a lot but it's vital the majority of people know who Hillary is running against and what the differences between Sanders and Clinton are.

 

[Slayven]

Who's saying this? Why do people have to make the case for Bernie by attacking Hillary?

Funny if you are not enlightened enough to be on the bern train you are automatically for Hillary. Then they launch into why she is the devil incarnate

 

[Tesseract]

welp, this thread went to shit quick

 

[Downhome]

Thought for sure it was gonna be

lmao, that's the only reason I clicked on the thread.

 

[Sorian]

No, but the idea that minorities don't know who has supported them in the past is insulting. It's like saying you know better.

I'm not entirely sure that was the idea behind the original post you responded too. Regardless of minority status, most americans are just plain uninformed and knowing that Bernie Sanders was a huge proponent and was "in the trenches" as it were during civil rights is probably important info that some people just may not have.

 

[Cimarron]

Bernie just isn't popular with black people. I don't think anyone fully understands it.

A lot of Black folk love Bill. And this love transfers to Hillary. Its rather unfortunate considering his stances on social policy.

 

[Infinite]

I'm not entirely sure that was the idea behind the original post you responded too. Regardless of minority status, most americans are just plain uninformed and knowing that Bernie Sanders was a huge proponent and was "in the trenches" as it were during civil rights is probably important info that some people just may not have.

I think the point is you can make the case for your guy without coming off as paternalistic and condescending.

Funny if you are not enlightened enough to be on the bern train you are automatically for Hillary. Then they launch into why she is the devil incarnate

I feel like even in this small thread so far weve talked about hillary just as much as bernie and the topic doesn't concern her.

 

[Slayven]

I'm not entirely sure that was the idea behind the original post you responded too. Regardless of minority status, most americans are just plain uninformed and knowing that Bernie Sanders was a huge proponent and was "in the trenches" as it were during civil rights is probably important info that some people just may not have.

The way his most vocal supporters use it, his time marching with MLK is some past debt that Bernie is calling due and now black voters have to support him because they have to repay him

I think the point is you can make the case for your guy without coming off as paternalistic and condescending.



I feel like even in this small thread so far weve talked about hillary just as much as bernie and the topic doesn't concern her.

It seems comes from a spot of insecurity, every time you see Barnie folks are going "He marched with MLK, he has Killer Mike and Cornell West. what more do blacks want?"

 

[silvermember]

I think the point is you can make the case for your guy without coming off as paternalistic and condescending.



I feel like even in this small thread so far weve talked about hillary just as much as bernie and the topic doesn't concern her.

People talked about Hillary because Bernie sander supporters usually base everything relative to her. If something happens to Bernie then it must have negatively impacted Clinton.

IF Bernie gains a new supporter that meant Hillary lost a supporter.

 

[daveo42]

I think it's a mix of a cultural disconnect, a belief that he can't win an election, and unfamiliaraity

That's one big issue. Most people outside of Vermont weren't even aware this man existed until this election cycle. The rest of it is probably his base, while being younger, still have a few bad eggs seemingly hell-bent on spoiling the whole group with some of their comments and actions.

 

[wildfire]

welp, this thread went to shit quick

Started from the first response and devolved exponentially. The only good post was the jealous pun and it's a pun so not really.