Is there not a term more annoying than Social Justice Warrior?

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Sai-kun said:
i love skeleton warriors
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Me too.

I have this one in my den of oppression:

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Lo_Fi said:
"It is how it is, let's just accept the status quo even if a small thing leads to preconceptions in our culture."

Did you see the freak out when Target got rid of the separation between boys and girls toys? Apparently to some it is a big deal, yet here we are, having completely forgotten about it. We can get rid of the separation to improve things.

On the topic of things that bother me: People getting annoyed at you wanting to change small things. Apparently it has to be a HUGE problem before you can want it fixed.
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I dont think the separation of Men's and Womens is a particularly big deal in the context of 99% of things. Half of it is Branding, half of it is convenience. I think the bigger issue is that there is so much emphasis put on your sexual identity dictating your tastes such that a boy who wants to play with dolls or a girl who wants to play with trucks have such an unfairly negative stigma.

But honestly, if I wanna buy clothes I don't really see why we need to separate mens and womens. The vast majority of people are going to be falling into one or the other. We should just not be shitty if a guy wants to buy from the women's section or a woman wants to buy from the mens section.

Either way if they merged everything I wouldnt particularly care. But yes some people are going to be cruddy and stick their nose into the business of other people

As far as target removing the gendering from the toys section I think its great. Kids just wanna play and have fun afterall. But if nothing was ever gendered I just imagine it being inconvenient more than anything.
 
SG-17 said:
Yes, femininity is also toxic. It's just that we are seeing a push back against femininity more (pink, "girl" toys, etc) than we are against masculinity.
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Eh, there's nothing wrong with most traditionally feminine or masculine things. A woman can be a strong independent feminist, and still love pink clothes and cute stuffed animals.

Likewise, a guy can be socially progressive and still be into body-building, motorcycles, or action movies.

The problem comes when you suggest that men and women have to like those things, and are the only one who likes those things.
 
That term is one I find particularly annoying. I also find dumb "console wars" names really annoying, such as "xbots", " nintedrones", etc. The mods come down hard on that stuff on GAF thankfully.

Alucrid said:
fucking social studies workers
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Thanks Anita Sarcasm!
 
Inferno313 said:
Eh, there's nothing wrong with most traditionally feminine or masculine things. A woman can be a strong independent feminist, and still love pink clothes and cute stuffed animals.

Likewise, a guy can be socially progressive and still be into body-building, motorcycles, or action movies.

The problem comes when you suggest that men and women have to like those things, and are the only one who likes those things.
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While true, it is not about the individual. It is about society as a whole. Societal expectations and general culture. There is nothing wrong with a woman liking traditionally feminine things nor a man traditionally masculine things. It's when society tells men and women that they should or must like those things and nothing on "the other side" or you aren't a "real" man or woman.
 
Demoskinos said:
No I think it does because it comes from the same place some men not wanting to be remotely associated with anything feminine. Which is fuuuuucking stupid. I usually hate most of the trending hashtags I see on twitter but #masculinitysofragile is just the fucking best.
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Sure that is somewhat part of the origin of where it originated. But your point is really no different than some womens desire to stay away from anything remotely masculine either. Its like, if a dude refers to some play he decorated and has to himself as his man cave, I dont really see how much of a security judgement you can make on that person without being awfully presumptious.
 
I hate the term "weeaboo". It's such a clumsy word and you can't even get a hint of its meaning without someone telling you what it is. The best you can say about it is that it gave us "weeb" which is an all around better term: easy to say and easier to understand because of its similarity to dweeb.

SJW is a mouthful. I don't like using it. However, it at least describes the people accurately. They're obnoxiously militant when they're discussing social issues.
 
Gotdatmoney said:
I dont think the separation of Men's and Womens is a particularly big deal in the context of 99% of things. Half of it is Branding, half of it is convenience. I think the bigger issue is that there is so much emphasis put on your sexual identity dictating your tastes such that a boy who wants to play with dolls or a girl who wants to play with trucks have such an unfairly negative stigma.

But honestly, if I wanna buy clothes I don't really see why we need to separate mens and womens. The vast majority of people are going to be falling into one or the other. We should just not be shitty if a guy wants to buy from the women's section or a woman wants to buy from the mens section.

Either way if they merged everything I wouldnt particularly care. But yes some people are going to be cruddy and stick their nose into the business of other people

As far as target removing the gendering from the toys section I think its great. Kids just wanna play and have fun afterall. But if nothing was ever gendered I just imagine it being inconvenient more than anything.
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So it sounds like we agree.

Gotdatmoney said:
But if nothing was ever gendered I just imagine it being inconvenient more than anything.
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Except for this part, I think. Aside from clothes, why would it be inconvenient? Because you might actually have to think about what toy you want? Because you might actually have to think about what you want your deodorant to smell like?
 
Problematic is the worst word. When I see that in a post, I stop reading that post and skip to the next one every time.
 
Lo_Fi said:
"It is how it is, let's just accept the status quo even if a small thing leads to preconceptions in our culture."
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Just out of interest what preconceptions do different men's sections and women's sections lead to in our culture? That men and women are different? Because they are and sometimes need different products as a result and it can be convenient to organize said products accordingly.

It reminds me of people complaining about differently branded Male and Female razors as somehow "problematic." When in fact men and women shave differently. Men typically in the sink and Women typically in a shower or bath. We also shave different areas and have different skin sensitivity that leads to different products for different needs.

Why shouldn't we accept the status quo at the times when it actually reasonably benefits the most people?
 
perfectchaos007 said:
Why is masculinity "toxic". Do those who consider masculinity "toxic" also consider "femininity" toxic in fairness?
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Because toxic masculinity is a separate category from masculinity.


It's like the if you have cookies and garlic cookies, nobody is calling non-garlic cookies garlic cookies
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Sure. Feel free to have your own descriptors for other "toxic" things. Toxic masculinity came about as a popular term in reaction to men themselves not recognizing on a large scale where they're failing themselves when they get angry at others, like how some men can't see how we hold each other down with judgment and instead think women are doing it to them. Like how we bottle emotions and are way out of touch with ourselves emotionally, but we get mad at others for even noticing that as they try to help us improve at it.
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You know what women hate. Someone trying telling them about their emotions instead of just listening. Men are the same. Some things regarding the treatment of male emotions is cultural, but a lot of it is also hormonal. Men don't bottle it just because they are expected to. Nevermind men do air their emotions. It just might not always be "dressed" in a manner that people consider to be healthy emotional airing. Which is one that has been set by feminine notions. I see so many times where men are dogged on for being afraid of behavior that is feminine when that isn't the reality, including by women who think they are doing men good. Who think they are gracing them from the shackles of toxic masculinity.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Sure. Feel free to have your own descriptors for other "toxic" things. Toxic masculinity came about as a popular term in reaction to men themselves not recognizing on a large scale where they're failing themselves when they get angry at others, like how some men can't see how we hold each other down with judgment and instead think women are doing it to them. Like how we bottle emotions and are way out of touch with ourselves emotionally, but we get mad at others for even noticing that as they try to help us improve at it.
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You say this, but your posts usually reek of this...
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Zero tact and zero empathy is what it is
 
EchosMyron1 said:
Just out of interest what preconceptions do different men's sections and women's sections lead to in our culture? That men and women are different? Because they are and sometimes need different products as a result and it can be convenient to organize said products accordingly.

It reminds me of people complaining about differently branded Male and Female razors as somehow "problematic." When in fact men and women shave differently. Men typically in the sink and Women typically in a shower or bath. We also shave different areas and have different skin sensitivity that leads to different products for different needs.

Why shouldn't we accept the status quo at the times when it actually reasonably benefits the most people?
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Off the top of my head: that guys should smell one way and girls should smell another, that boys should only like specific colors and girls should only like specific other colors, that boys should like tanks and cars and girls should like dolls and cooking toys. I agree that some things like clothes and razors are fine being specific to gender. But stuff like the below image is just stupid.

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notworksafe said:
this guy
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Missed that, you're right. I don't agree with that poster.
 
Lo_Fi said:
Off the top of my head: that guys should smell one way and girls should smell another, that boys should only like specific colors and girls should only like specific other colors, that boys should like tanks and cars and girls should like dolls and cooking toys. I agree that some things like clothes and razors are fine being specific to gender. But stuff like the below image is just stupid.

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Yep, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. The Dr Pepper Ten advertising at launch was also hilarious.
 
Henkka said:
Not really... It's frowned upon on GAF due to being associated with GG, but elsewhere on the internet it's pretty widely used by people not just from the far-right. It's pretty much a par of mainstream internet culture nowadays. Even people like Joe Rogan have used it.
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I wouldn't take my ques from a "Moon landing didn't happen" Conspiracy guy.
 
I find GOAT to be more annoying just because I see it used all the time often for things that don't even have a chance to be considered greatest of anything. Never really see SJW used.
 
speaking of what girls and boys are "supposed" to like,

my niece is almost 3 and we've been watching the original Grinch stole christmas cartoon lately,

shes always commenting about how me and her like christmas but the grinch doesn't, and she gets a little upset when he gives all the present back at the end of the cartoon. She likes it more when he takes all the presents lmao
 
My least favourite internet term is "asinine". There is no word that screams mid-90's internet disagreement more than that. Oh man it's multi-syllable so I'm sounding so smart but it also has ASS in it tehehehe

I've seen posters whom I respect using it, and... sad. pls stop

Inferno313 said:
That's not an internet term, it's just a word...
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At one time... perhaps. Then the 90's happened. And the internet. And people arguing about which graphics cause more soiling of pantaloons *vomits uncontrollably*
 
Sushi Nao said:
My least favourite internet term is "asinine". There is no word that screams mid-90's internet disagreement more than that. Oh man it's multi-syllable so I'm sounding so smart but it also has ASS in it tehehehe

I've seen posters whom I respect using it, and... sad. pls stop
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That's not an internet term, it's just a word...
 
perfectchaos007 said:
Why is masculinity "toxic". Do those who consider masculinity "toxic" also consider "femininity" toxic in fairness?
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Toxic masculinity refers specifically to the aspects of masculine culture perpetuated by society at large that can be toxic. Not that all masculinity is toxic.

For example, the idea that men cannot express their true emotions and should stifle them at all times in order to appear the proper kind of manly is toxic because it can be emotionally damaging and harmful to not allow yourself outlets for emotions. The idea that boys should never be allowed to cry or close male friendships are "too gay."

It's less "maleness is toxic" as it is "the way that society limits what is an acceptable form of maleness is toxic."

injurai said:
I think it was more started as a man's home office and study. A place to focus on work that had to be prepared for outside the home. He kept his stuff in this room because it's where he used the stuff. If he invited other collegues or friends over, they might hang out in this room. Yes these rooms would be for men because they were expected to work and provide. The narrative that it exist as a result of insecurity in male culture is a narrative that I find off putting. These spaces were pragmatic. Even more, they were luxuries for upper and upper middle class families who could afford the square footage. Lawyers, professors, businessmen. With the onset of American consumerism and the American suburb these spaces evolved into just hobby rooms or workshops or media rooms.
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The point remains that the man required a place in the home to do work and the woman did not because her work was the home itself.

To be clear, nobody is saying these rooms weren't necessary or that their mere existed derived from a place of anxious masculinity. People are saying that the need to identify an office or entertainment room as being manly and also a cave -- which also suggests maleness, obviously -- arrived from a place of insecurity. It's not exactly a new phenomenon for things to be unnecessarily gendered as male to make them acceptable for men to desire or engage with.
 
Sushi Nao said:
My least favourite internet term is "asinine". There is no word that screams mid-90's internet disagreement more than that. Oh man it's multi-syllable so I'm sounding so smart but it also has ASS in it tehehehe

I've seen posters whom I respect using it, and... sad. pls stop

At one time... perhaps. Then the 90's happened. And the internet. And people arguing about which graphics cause more soiling of pantaloons *vomits uncontrollably*
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You're overreacting and your post is... asinine.
 
Lo_Fi said:
So it sounds like we agree.



Except for this part, I think. Aside from clothes, why would it be inconvenient? Because you might actually have to think about what toy you want? Because you might actually have to think about what you want your deodorant to smell like?
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Pretty much. At this point combining them really only benefits future generations. (Which is fine but I dont think we need to act like this isnt about the future as opposed to now) I don't really see why you would want to search through 2x the stuff to find what you are looking for. Its not like if you are an adult in 2016 you dont already know what mens or womens scents smell like or what men vs womens shoes look like.

Personal products and toys are like 90% of what is gendered today are they not? If you mix lipstick with shaving cream a new world isnt going to open up to the current gen. I'm just gonna spend more time looking. Thats about it.

If the net benefit was good thougj then w/e though.
 
Eh, I think "toxic masculinity" is more annoying. Until this summer I wasn't aware of "SJW" and the connotation behind it. I prefer neo-lib to describe the more fanatical branch of the left.

Never liked "man-cave" either. It implies that out of all the rooms in my house I can only make this room my own. Fuck that if my name is on the deed as well.
 
PSqueak said:
But why does it need a distinction? You don't call the rest of the house the "woman cave" or anything, why can't it be called the Theater room, the Entertainment room, or you know, just the lounge?

Imagine you invite a bunch of friends, both male and female, what would sound better to everyone "This is my man cave" or "this is the theater room, which i designed myself"?

Calling it the Man cave reeks of insecurity, exclussion and the need to assert some sort of dominion which is incredibly silly for what is a glorified lounge.
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Maybe if that's the official name of the room in the house, but I see it moreso used in jest.
Or it's just meant to establish that's where my buddies and I would like to hang out. If I designed a theater room with a bar, some cool sports memorabilia, and some nice theater sound equipment, I don't see the problem with making some sort of remark that this is largely a room designed for my indulgences.
I don't use the term myself, but I really don't see the problem with someone referring to the term if its not meant to make women feel unwelcome.
 
Calling people social justice warriors as an insult makes as much sense as calling someone a considerate do gooder like its a derogatory phrase.

Stop caring about people i hate, you dick!
 
Alex Stroud said:
Eh, I think "toxic masculinity" is more annoying. Until this summer I wasn't aware of "SJW" and the connotation behind it. I prefer neo-lib to describe the more fanatical branch of the left.

Never liked "man-cave" either. It implies that out of all the rooms in my house I can only make this room my own. Fuck that if my name is on the deed as well.
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They're usted in different contexts.

Also I'm not really sure "SJW" and "Neo-lib" refer to the same type of person.
 
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