Former head of NAACP endorses Bernie Sanders for President

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Older African American voters(who voted in 08 primaries), simply don't know Bernie that well. The newest PPP poll which only polls prior primary voters had 50% who had no opinion on Sanders. Simply put his outreach with minorities is not at the needed level - with all the donations being made towards Bernie he needs to invest a lot of his funds into actually making himself known among African Americans and specifically older African American voters. It might not change the actual positioning a lot but it's vital the majority of people know who Hillary is running against and what the differences between Sanders and Clinton are.
There's also the chance that minorities are more convservative than you think and a lot of Bernie's ideas don't appeal to them.
 
Didn't Bernie march with MLK? Someone should let people know.

I honestly don't understand the disconnect with minorities.
You don't know why people are more supportive of a candidate who was a senator, secretary of state, wife of a popular president, good debater, one of the most qualified candidates of the last 20 years? Yeah, you're right. I don't understand it either.
 
The way his most vocal supporters use it, his time marching with MLK is some past debt that Bernie is calling due and now black voters have to support him because they have to repay him


It seems comes from a spot of insecurity, every time you see Barnie folks are going "He marched with MLK, he has Killer Mike and Cornell West. what more do blacks want?"
Playing MLK like a trap card will get you clowned each and every time. You would think eventually people would catch on, but nope.
 
The way his most vocal supporters use it, his time marching with MLK is some past debt that Bernie is calling due and now black voters have to support him because they have to repay him

That is not how this has been mostly used. People question the validity of his support for these movements in light of Hillary being the goto. It demonstrated that he has long been an ally to the fight. It isn't to force people to support him out of some obligation. It's to point out that there is no need to be spreading doubt over his commitment towards racial issues.

There is some serious confirmation bias if that is all you're hearing.
 
That is not how this has been mostly used. People question the validity of his support for these movements in light of Hillary being the goto. It demonstrated that he has long been an ally to the fight. It isn't to force people to support him out of some obligation. It's to point out that there is no need to be spreading doubt over his commitment towards racial issues.

There is some serious confirmation bias if that is all you're hearing.

To be quite frank him marching with MLK doesn't mean shit to me in 2016. Period.
 
That is not how this has been mostly used. People question the validity of his support for these movements in light of Hillary being the goto. It demonstrated that he has long been an ally to the fight. It isn't to force people to support him out of some obligation. It's to point out that there is no need to be spreading doubt over his commitment towards racial issues.

There is some serious confirmation bias if that is all you're hearing.

MLK died in 1968

Playing MLK like a trap card will get you clowned each and every time. You would think eventually people would catch on, but nope.
They will get one day
 
That is not how this has been mostly used. People question the validity of his support for these movements in light of Hillary being the goto. It demonstrated that he has long been an ally to the fight. It isn't to force people to support him out of some obligation. It's to point out that there is no need to be spreading doubt over his commitment towards racial issues.

There is some serious confirmation bias if that is all you're hearing.
Hello friend.

Did you just wake up from a long sleep? Because if you were on the internet at all from late spring 2015 onwards, you would know just how erroneous your statement is.
 
That is not how this has been mostly used. People question the validity of his support for these movements in light of Hillary being the goto. It demonstrated that he has long been an ally to the fight. It isn't to force people to support him out of some obligation. It's to point out that there is no need to be spreading doubt over his commitment towards racial issues.

There is some serious confirmation bias if that is all you're hearing.
That was 50 years ago. If your go to example is something that happened before people got AOL cds in th mail you need to work on that.
 
The avalanche is only beginning. We will see more people jump ship in the future.


Listen to Nina turner Bishop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maVfNQbmZtM

and look at his actual voting record for gods sake for that matter, as well as his actual actions outside of the senate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Civil_Rights.htm

You keep pretending like "Marching with MLK!" is the only thing Bernie has ever done to support our causes as if that's a negative, i'm gonna call you out n perpetuating a false narrative to keep up the anti tone.
 
Hello friend.

Did you just wake up from a long sleep? Because if you were on the internet at all from late spring 2015 onwards, you would know just how erroneous your statement is.

I concede it's a dated thing to bring up. Certainly has been used as a trap card as you say. A moot point. But what I haven't seen is the people that bring that up using it as an obligation over black voters heads. The later is the point that I was speaking to. Not that it isn't a shitty hail mary. But that it's used to quell uncertainty not demand support. Maybe I was sleeping so I'll consider that I'm wrong. But I can't change the fact that I saw the hail mary against uncertain, not a hail mary for absolute obligation. I only really see claims of the later, which is why I said anything.
 
The avalanche is only beginning. We will see more people jump ship in the future.



Listen to Nina turner Bishop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maVfNQbmZtM

and look at his actual voting record for gods sake for that matter, as well as his actual actions outside of the senate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Civil_Rights.htm

You keep pretending like "Marching with MLK!" is the only thing Bernie has ever done to support our causes as if that's a negative, i'm gonna call you out n perpetuating a false narrative to keep up the anti tone.


I provided a debate response from both Hillary and Bernie within this thread regarding police discrimination. Perhaps the avalanche you are referring to is the one going over your eyes.

Regardless of intent, Hillary answered the question. Bernie starts off fine, but then goes into ranting about how marijuana shouldnt be a crime and that wall street keeps getting away with prosecution.

I dont need to call out what his supports say, or why Tesseract's member status is in gold.

I just listen to what each candidate is saying and how they answer the question.
 
You keep pretending like "Marching with MLK!" is the only thing Bernie has ever done to support our causes as if that's a negative, i'm gonna call you out n perpetuating a false narrative to keep up the anti tone.
Yeah, I think he's responding to this thread and many before it. It's insulting to claim Bernie is the best politician for black people. Besides the whole monolithic crap, therer is more to this election than Bernie's past. Look at these posts:

Didn't Bernie march with MLK? Someone should let people know.

I honestly don't understand the disconnect with minorities.
I already responded to this.
Bernie just isn't popular with black people. I don't think anyone fully understands it.
Everyone understands it. Some people just don't want to accept it. Hillary is leading, in polls, by 50~30 margins. It's not just black people, no matter what you learned from Prop 8. You don't get to 50% with just black people.
hopefully this will help bernie with that demographic. he really does invoke the spirit of martin king, who also happened to believe in democratic socialism for america.


A lot of this is offensive, from my perspective. I would say Hillary is the most qualified candidate for President over my entire lifetime of 37 years. She has many reasons that people are supportive of her. I'm sorry Bernie is old and this may be his only chance. This is his doing. He wanted out of the establishment. Now that Obama had inspired him, he wants a crack at it.

We are reaching Fox News bubble territory.
 
This will prove to be good for Sanders. The momentum is picking up further, the minority vote is slipping from Clinton. As minorities get to know Sanders and understand his message many will abandon Clinton.
 
I provided a debate response from both Hillary and Bernie within this thread regarding police discrimination. Perhaps the avalanche you are referring to is the one going over your eyes.

Regardless of intent, Hillary answered the question. Bernie starts off fine, but then goes into ranting about how marijuana shouldnt be a crime and that wall street keeps getting away with prosecution.

I dont need to call out what his supports say, or why Tesseract's member status is in gold.

I just listen to what each candidate is saying and how they answer the question.

that's a good point though considering drug offenses disproportionately affect minorities. then he showed the disparity between how minorities and the wealthy people up top are punished. a black person can get jail time for something as trivial as marijuana while the people that aided in the collapse of our economy, which negatively affected millions of americans, are allowed to pay their way out.

A lot of this is offensive, from my perspective. I would say Hillary is the most qualified candidate for President over my entire lifetime of 37 years. She has many reasons that people are supportive of her. I'm sorry Bernie is old and this may be his only chance. This is his doing. He wanted out of the establishment. Now that Obama had inspired him, he wants a crack at it.

We are reaching Fox News bubble territory.

can you please explain why? when I watched this talk that was one of the things I came away with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeFlOkPvBqs

I can totally see how Hillary would be seen as a more qualified candidate, however I'm not sure what that has to do with my post

edit: it seems you might have been responding to that group of posts instead of just mine specifically, so I might have mistook your points as referring directly to mine
 
Why would it not be relevant that Bernie Sanders participated in civil rights marches in the 60s? I don't understand. Yes it was a long time ago, but doesn't that speak even more to his character?
 
This will prove to be good for Sanders. The momentum is picking up further, the minority vote is slipping from Clinton. As minorities get to know Sanders and understand his message many will abandon Clinton.

Anectdotal and all as a minority I was always team Bernie but I know many minorities who have jumped ship to Bernie.
 
isn't bernie sanders even less popular among hispanics? at least to one poll i saw. only younger hispanics prefer bernie.
 
You keep pretending like "Marching with MLK!" is the only thing Bernie has ever done to support our causes as if that's a negative, i'm gonna call you out n perpetuating a false narrative to keep up the anti tone.
Like clockwork.

It's not about Sanders the candidate and his past work, it's his supporters who seem to think that it should act a catch-all to address any and all criticism against their candidate of choice. It's a playbook that's been used constantly by this group since NetRoots, and it's failing - miserably. Why would I want to support a candidate saddled with grassroots this toxic? If this so-called revolutionary coalition is about black people sitting down and shutting up about being shot dead in the streets while being told what's best for them...well, you choose to hang out with who you like.

Me? I've always been a fan of the adage that if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Speaking of dated.
Yeah, about that...
 
Why would it not be relevant that Bernie Sanders participated in civil rights marches in the 60s? I don't understand. Yes it was a long time ago, but doesn't that speak even more to his character?

Because his supporters cant/wont talk about more recent stuff and dangling MLK in front of black people as credibility in 2016 is offensive and does nothing to show them you have any idea what issues are important to them today.

How Bernie had to be dragged out by BLM to talk about racial issues and STILL on many occasions pivot back to Wall Street does not look good, no matter how noble he is.
 
Like clockwork.

It's not about Sanders the candidate and his past work, it's his supporters who seem to think that it should act a catch-all to address any and all criticism against their candidate of choice. It's a playbook that's been used constantly by this group since NetRoots, and it's failing - miserably. Why would I want to support a candidate saddled with grassroots are this toxic? If this so-called revolutionary coalition is about black people sitting down and shutting up about being shot dead in the streets while being told what's best for them...well, you choose to hang out with who you like.

Me? I've always been a fan of the adage that if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

this I can understand

bernie does have a problem with toxic supporters online
 
Why would it not be relevant that Bernie Sanders participated in civil rights marches in the 60s? I don't understand. Yes it was a long time ago, but doesn't that speak even more to his character?
There's reason why he himself isn't waving this around. It's a great thing for sure and it speaks for his earnesty with the black community, but Bernie is running to be president of 2017, not 1963. Thus endorsements and doings of the now are more important - which he is doing a decent job too in my opinion. Could he doing more? For sure! And I hope he will, I am sure he will. Not just for the election, but because he truly wants to help the underprivileged americans to get closer something of a fair share.
Like clockwork.

It's not about Sanders the candidate and his past work, it's his supporters who seem to think that it should act a catch-all to address any and all criticism against their candidate of choice. It's a playbook that's been used constantly by this group since NetRoots, and it's failing - miserably. Why would I want to support a candidate saddled with grassroots this toxic? If this so-called revolutionary coalition is about black people sitting down and shutting up about being shot dead in the streets while being told what's best for them...well, you choose to hang out with who you like.

Me? I've always been a fan of the adage that if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
No doubt that he has a bunch of idiots acting shitty in his name, but this seems to be quite normal. I don't think any other candidate is free of that kind of people. You're electing the president, not his followers to office. Bernie Sanders being Bernie Sanders will follow his own ideals, not the will of the racist part of his fanbase.
 
It's funny how it works out though. A lot of the laws for mass incarceration were passed during Clinton. I think Cops were able to start carrying big guns too thanks to the 90's law enforcement and more. Always add in the continual progression, most of which Sander's has been against.

Funny how people say she is more "for" the community.

Even funnier is during the 90's, the economy was excellent and plenty of black folks were able to live as good as they ever have in this country.

Not every black person gives a fuck about the prison system. Many just want the good old 90's back, and the clinton name is synonymous with this.
 
Like clockwork.

It's not about Sanders the candidate and his past work, it's his supporters who seem to think that it should act a catch-all to address any and all criticism against their candidate of choice. It's a playbook that's been used constantly by this group since NetRoots, and it's failing - miserably. Why would I want to support a candidate saddled with grassroots this toxic? If this so-called revolutionary coalition is about black people sitting down and shutting up about being shot dead in the streets while being told what's best for them...well, you choose to hang out with who you like.

Me? I've always been a fan of the adage that if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.


Yeah, about that...
Yeah Bernie is revolutionary.....too a point.
 
even the best of candidates is gonna have bad duder supporters, sometimes you get gross links in the sausage

like clive owen once said, this is all we are ~ clive owen
 
Thought for sure it was gonna be

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Damn it..lol.
 
That's nice to hear, but I just don't think anything will help at this point. Despite all other factors, I think root cause in the lack of support for Bernie amongst minorities has more to do with that minorities just don't see Wall Street bankers as the great stumbling block. Or that campaign finance reform will fix institutional racism. What bankers are buying politicians forcing them to enact racist policies ? If anything those are ideas they politicians come up with on their own to appeal to the racist masses rather than special interests

Not to say Bernies record isn't good enough. It's just that he doesn't bring the same level of energy or enthusiasm towards fighting institutional racism that he does towards the topics that ascended him to stardom amongst the liberal white base. He definitely cares about these subjects but it's not his bread and butter. Subjects like racism and foreign policy it seems like he is often uncomfortable talking about them and wants to divert back towards the economy and campaign finance and corrupt politicians, etc.
 
I can't think of a worse reason to not support a candidate than "their supporters are mean online".

I mean, there are some legit criticisms of Bernie but that's basically the lowest effort attack ever. His campaign has even condemned the supporters. Then again people are grasping at straws to take Bernie down, so whatever goes, I guess. Every Bernie thread turns out the same way, really.

On topic, I wonder what it will take for minorities to really notice Bernie. The unfamiliarity seems like the biggest issue. I think "his supporters online are bad" is only an argument for a small amount of people, as not everyone is as politically engaged online. We're talking about the average person who is at best a casual social media user. He just needs more of a presence in the public consciousness.
 
King was an actual anti-capitalist socialist, not a social democrat

ok well maybe I'm base there but he did cite democratic socialism as a way to potentially help America

You can't talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can't talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You're really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. Call it what you may, call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God's children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/obery...alism-of-martin-luther-king-jr_b_4629609.html
 
I always find it funny when people get on their pedestal and in their best condescending "I know what's best for you more than you do" voice speak down to the pesky negroes how lost they are and that they need to vote for Bernie. Never realizing that they are the reason why many people don't want to fuck with Bernie.
 
that's a good point though considering drug offenses disproportionately affect minorities. then he showed the disparity between how minorities and the wealthy people up top are punished. a black person can get jail time for something as trivial as marijuana while the people that aided in the collapse of our economy, which negatively affected millions of americans, are allowed to pay their way out.


Mind you this was about police brutality and discrimination.

Marijuana is still a crime regardless of how bs it is, as is CEO white collar crime.

Making marijuana legal won't do shit regarding police discrimination against minorities.

And the real obvious, not all minorities smoke marijuana.
 
I don't mind the criticism of Bernie in such examples as reparations. As a minority myself though I feel I know which candidate shares more of my interest in these topics. I don't think Hillary would be half the fighter Bernie is, let alone that I wouldn't expect her to be better in practice on the issue of reparations.
 
That's nice to hear, but I just don't think anything will help at this point. Despite all other factors, I think root cause in the lack of support for Bernie amongst minorities has more to do with that minorities just don't see Wall Street bankers as the great stumbling block. Or that campaign finance reform will fix institutional racism. What bankers are buying politicians forcing them to enact racist policies ? If anything those are ideas they politicians come up with on their own to appeal to the racist masses rather than special interests

Not to say Bernies record isn't good enough. It's just that he doesn't bring the same level of energy or enthusiasm towards fighting institutional racism that he does towards the topics that ascended him to stardom amongst the liberal white base. He definitely cares about these subjects but it's not his bread and butter. Subjects like racism and foreign policy it seems like he is often uncomfortable talking about them and wants to divert back towards the economy and campaign finance and corrupt politicians, etc.

I think he genuinely believes that fixing Wall Street is the best way to fix racial inequalities by attacking economic inequality which he thinks directly correlates. He needs to communicate it better though.

Still a stronger stance than Hillary though, I think. I haven't her have a hard stance on any issue related to race (then again I haven't really heard her have a really hard stance on many things)
 
I always find it funny when people get on their pedastal and in their best condescending "I know what's best for you more than you do" voice speak down to the pesky negroes how lost they are and that they need to vote for Bernie. Never realizing that they are the reason why many people don't want to fuck with Bernie.
Aren't some Clinton supporters doing the same thing from another position? "Don't vote for Bernie if you know what's good for you."

Again: you're voting for the candidate, not BernieBillaBong1993 or HillaryRoxx
 
Mind you this was about police brutality and discrimination.

Marijuana is still a crime regardless of how bs it is, as is CEO white collar crime.

Making marijuana legal won't do shit regarding police discrimination against minorities.

And the real obvious, not all minorities smoke marijuana.

yeah understood. I think Bernie was using that as an example of the gross discrimination in our system though, not saying that legalizing marijuana is the answer to that discrimination. I think his views on private prisons and stuff like that is how he'd go about changing that discrimination.
 
I don't mind the criticism of Bernie in such examples as reparations. As a minority myself though I feel I know which candidate shares more of my interest in these topics. I don't think Hillary would be half the fighter Bernie is, let alone that I wouldn't expect her to be better on the issue of reparations.

I don't understand how you can say that given the candidates responses to BLM. One was ready to talk policy and the other decided not to talk at all.
 
If you feel strongly about reparation there is a candidate in the race you can throw your support behind:

Jill Stein said:
It’s really key that we address economic racism, which is also violent and which also has severe consequences. So we’re calling for a job as a human right for everyone at living wages, and to ensure that the communities that are most burdened, and that’s communities of color and poor communities, that they are first in line and not last in line ... our focal programs [are] directed to bring jobs first to low-income and African-American communities that are hurting the most and most need good jobs and most need resources put back in the hands of communities from whom these resources have been stolen.

Reparations needs to happen. And this is a community that has been robbed blind, that built magnificent architecture and our transportation systems; they’re low-income people of color, in particularly slaves on whose backs this country was built. And we can’t stop at reparations, we need to totally reform the economy, and let me just say that this is not just some pie in the sky thing, we can do this.


http://www.theroot.com/articles/pol...ical_relationships_restorative_justice.2.html
 
I always find it funny when people get on their pedestal and in their best condescending "I know what's best for you more than you do" voice speak down to the pesky negroes how lost they are and that they need to vote for Bernie. Never realizing that they are the reason why many people don't want to fuck with Bernie.
Who has done that here? I hope nobody.
 
I think he genuinely believes that fixing Wall Street is the best way to fix racial inequalities by attacking economic inequality which he thinks directly correlates. He needs to communicate it better though.

Still a stronger stance than Hillary though, I think. I haven't her have a hard stance on any issue related to race (then again I haven't really heard her have a really hard stance on many things)

I like what Hillary said in her private meeting with BLM supporters. This was my favorite part:

Q: That’s not what I mean. That’s not what I mean. But like what I’m saying is what you just said was a form of victim-blaming. Right you were saying that what the Black Lives Matter movement needs to do to change white hearts—

HILLARY CLINTON: Look I don’t believe you change hearts. I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. You’re not going to change every heart. You’re not. But at the end of the day, we could do a whole lot to change some hearts and change some systems and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them, to live up to their own God-given potential, to live safely without fear of violence in their own communities, to have a decent school, to have a decent house, to have a decent future. So we can do it one of many ways. You can keep the movement going, which you have started, and through it you may actually change some hearts. But if that’s all that happens, we’ll be back here in 10 years having the same conversation. We will not have all of the changes that you deserve to see happen in your lifetime because of your willingness to get out there and talk about this.

(Inaudible)

HILLARY CLINTON: Well I’m ready to get out and do my part in any way that I can.

Hillary's pragmatism on criminal justice reform is welcome. Can you see how that's appealing to black Americans, who are used to get a lot of high talk and no actual reforms?

Funny if you are not enlightened enough to be on the bern train you are automatically for Hillary. Then they launch into why she is the devil incarnate

There's a lot of hyperbole from supporters on both sides. Everything from "Bernie is insensitive to black-specific issues" to "Hillary is the devil because she takes donations from Wall Street and Big Banking". There's a grain of truth to these positions but at the same time they are both exaggerated by the detractors.

My gripe with Hillary is that she's part of the status quo. Have we done so well under that status quo? I mean, we've lost ground under our first black president, at a greater rate than other Americans. It's time for an actual, substantive change.
 
yeah understood. I think Bernie was using that as an example of the gross discrimination in our system though, not saying that legalizing marijuana is the answer to that discrimination. I think his views on private prisons and stuff like that is how he'd go about changing that discrimination.

I agree, but that was not in his response. The problem I am highlighting is his ability to convey his solutions without all the bullshit rhetoric attached to it. Hillary was far more direct in her response, by comparison.
 
I always find it funny when people get on their pedestal and in their best condescending "I know what's best for you more than you do" voice speak down to the pesky negroes how lost they are and that they need to vote for Bernie. Never realizing that they are the reason why many people don't want to fuck with Bernie.

I think the problem is that when you disagree with Bernie you are automatically lumped into being pro hilary. There aren't any platforms where hilary is more progressive than Bernie on race related issues, yes, but voting for Hilary doesn't mean the same as supporting all that she says and does. For many people, it's frequently more about pragmatism and avoiding the devastation of GOP control than it is voting on policy.
 
That's nice to hear, but I just don't think anything will help at this point. Despite all other factors, I think root cause in the lack of support for Bernie amongst minorities has more to do with that minorities just don't see Wall Street bankers as the great stumbling block. Or that campaign finance reform will fix institutional racism. What bankers are buying politicians forcing them to enact racist policies ? If anything those are ideas they politicians come up with on their own to appeal to the racist masses rather than special interests

Not to say Bernies record isn't good enough. It's just that he doesn't bring the same level of energy or enthusiasm towards fighting institutional racism that he does towards the topics that ascended him to stardom amongst the liberal white base. He definitely cares about these subjects but it's not his bread and butter. Subjects like racism and foreign policy it seems like he is often uncomfortable talking about them and wants to divert back towards the economy and campaign finance and corrupt politicians, etc.

I mean, on the Republican side, who supports immigration and criminal justice reform? The bluebloods, the 'corportists', the libertarian-leaning thinking tanks. They're the only reason these measures have bipartisan support.

Who is against these measures? Working-class whites who hate brown and black people.

It doesn't really fit neatly into Sanders's message.
 
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