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welp, this thread went to shit quick
aka all Bernie threads.
welp, this thread went to shit quick
Started from the first response and devolved exponentially. The only good post was the jealous pun and it's a pun so not really.
There's also the chance that minorities are more convservative than you think and a lot of Bernie's ideas don't appeal to them.Older African American voters(who voted in 08 primaries), simply don't know Bernie that well. The newest PPP poll which only polls prior primary voters had 50% who had no opinion on Sanders. Simply put his outreach with minorities is not at the needed level - with all the donations being made towards Bernie he needs to invest a lot of his funds into actually making himself known among African Americans and specifically older African American voters. It might not change the actual positioning a lot but it's vital the majority of people know who Hillary is running against and what the differences between Sanders and Clinton are.
You don't know why people are more supportive of a candidate who was a senator, secretary of state, wife of a popular president, good debater, one of the most qualified candidates of the last 20 years? Yeah, you're right. I don't understand it either.Didn't Bernie march with MLK? Someone should let people know.
I honestly don't understand the disconnect with minorities.
Playing MLK like a trap card will get you clowned each and every time. You would think eventually people would catch on, but nope.The way his most vocal supporters use it, his time marching with MLK is some past debt that Bernie is calling due and now black voters have to support him because they have to repay him
It seems comes from a spot of insecurity, every time you see Barnie folks are going "He marched with MLK, he has Killer Mike and Cornell West. what more do blacks want?"
The way his most vocal supporters use it, his time marching with MLK is some past debt that Bernie is calling due and now black voters have to support him because they have to repay him
That is not how this has been mostly used. People question the validity of his support for these movements in light of Hillary being the goto. It demonstrated that he has long been an ally to the fight. It isn't to force people to support him out of some obligation. It's to point out that there is no need to be spreading doubt over his commitment towards racial issues.
There is some serious confirmation bias if that is all you're hearing.
That is not how this has been mostly used. People question the validity of his support for these movements in light of Hillary being the goto. It demonstrated that he has long been an ally to the fight. It isn't to force people to support him out of some obligation. It's to point out that there is no need to be spreading doubt over his commitment towards racial issues.
There is some serious confirmation bias if that is all you're hearing.
They will get one dayPlaying MLK like a trap card will get you clowned each and every time. You would think eventually people would catch on, but nope.
Hello friend.That is not how this has been mostly used. People question the validity of his support for these movements in light of Hillary being the goto. It demonstrated that he has long been an ally to the fight. It isn't to force people to support him out of some obligation. It's to point out that there is no need to be spreading doubt over his commitment towards racial issues.
There is some serious confirmation bias if that is all you're hearing.
That was 50 years ago. If your go to example is something that happened before people got AOL cds in th mail you need to work on that.That is not how this has been mostly used. People question the validity of his support for these movements in light of Hillary being the goto. It demonstrated that he has long been an ally to the fight. It isn't to force people to support him out of some obligation. It's to point out that there is no need to be spreading doubt over his commitment towards racial issues.
There is some serious confirmation bias if that is all you're hearing.
Hello friend.
Did you just wake up from a long sleep? Because if you were on the internet at all from late spring 2015 onwards, you would know just how erroneous your statement is.
The avalanche is only beginning. We will see more people jump ship in the future.
Listen to Nina turner Bishop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maVfNQbmZtM
and look at his actual voting record for gods sake for that matter, as well as his actual actions outside of the senate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Civil_Rights.htm
You keep pretending like "Marching with MLK!" is the only thing Bernie has ever done to support our causes as if that's a negative, i'm gonna call you out n perpetuating a false narrative to keep up the anti tone.
Yeah, I think he's responding to this thread and many before it. It's insulting to claim Bernie is the best politician for black people. Besides the whole monolithic crap, therer is more to this election than Bernie's past. Look at these posts:You keep pretending like "Marching with MLK!" is the only thing Bernie has ever done to support our causes as if that's a negative, i'm gonna call you out n perpetuating a false narrative to keep up the anti tone.
I already responded to this.Didn't Bernie march with MLK? Someone should let people know.
I honestly don't understand the disconnect with minorities.
Everyone understands it. Some people just don't want to accept it. Hillary is leading, in polls, by 50~30 margins. It's not just black people, no matter what you learned from Prop 8. You don't get to 50% with just black people.Bernie just isn't popular with black people. I don't think anyone fully understands it.
hopefully this will help bernie with that demographic. he really does invoke the spirit of martin king, who also happened to believe in democratic socialism for america.
I provided a debate response from both Hillary and Bernie within this thread regarding police discrimination. Perhaps the avalanche you are referring to is the one going over your eyes.
Regardless of intent, Hillary answered the question. Bernie starts off fine, but then goes into ranting about how marijuana shouldnt be a crime and that wall street keeps getting away with prosecution.
I dont need to call out what his supports say, or why Tesseract's member status is in gold.
I just listen to what each candidate is saying and how they answer the question.
A lot of this is offensive, from my perspective. I would say Hillary is the most qualified candidate for President over my entire lifetime of 37 years. She has many reasons that people are supportive of her. I'm sorry Bernie is old and this may be his only chance. This is his doing. He wanted out of the establishment. Now that Obama had inspired him, he wants a crack at it.
We are reaching Fox News bubble territory.
This will prove to be good for Sanders. The momentum is picking up further, the minority vote is slipping from Clinton. As minorities get to know Sanders and understand his message many will abandon Clinton.
Like clockwork.You keep pretending like "Marching with MLK!" is the only thing Bernie has ever done to support our causes as if that's a negative, i'm gonna call you out n perpetuating a false narrative to keep up the anti tone.
Yeah, about that...Speaking of dated.
Why would it not be relevant that Bernie Sanders participated in civil rights marches in the 60s? I don't understand. Yes it was a long time ago, but doesn't that speak even more to his character?
Like clockwork.
It's not about Sanders the candidate and his past work, it's his supporters who seem to think that it should act a catch-all to address any and all criticism against their candidate of choice. It's a playbook that's been used constantly by this group since NetRoots, and it's failing - miserably. Why would I want to support a candidate saddled with grassroots are this toxic? If this so-called revolutionary coalition is about black people sitting down and shutting up about being shot dead in the streets while being told what's best for them...well, you choose to hang out with who you like.
Me? I've always been a fan of the adage that if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
There's reason why he himself isn't waving this around. It's a great thing for sure and it speaks for his earnesty with the black community, but Bernie is running to be president of 2017, not 1963. Thus endorsements and doings of the now are more important - which he is doing a decent job too in my opinion. Could he doing more? For sure! And I hope he will, I am sure he will. Not just for the election, but because he truly wants to help the underprivileged americans to get closer something of a fair share.Why would it not be relevant that Bernie Sanders participated in civil rights marches in the 60s? I don't understand. Yes it was a long time ago, but doesn't that speak even more to his character?
No doubt that he has a bunch of idiots acting shitty in his name, but this seems to be quite normal. I don't think any other candidate is free of that kind of people. You're electing the president, not his followers to office. Bernie Sanders being Bernie Sanders will follow his own ideals, not the will of the racist part of his fanbase.Like clockwork.
It's not about Sanders the candidate and his past work, it's his supporters who seem to think that it should act a catch-all to address any and all criticism against their candidate of choice. It's a playbook that's been used constantly by this group since NetRoots, and it's failing - miserably. Why would I want to support a candidate saddled with grassroots this toxic? If this so-called revolutionary coalition is about black people sitting down and shutting up about being shot dead in the streets while being told what's best for them...well, you choose to hang out with who you like.
Me? I've always been a fan of the adage that if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
It's funny how it works out though. A lot of the laws for mass incarceration were passed during Clinton. I think Cops were able to start carrying big guns too thanks to the 90's law enforcement and more. Always add in the continual progression, most of which Sander's has been against.
Funny how people say she is more "for" the community.
Yeah Bernie is revolutionary.....too a point.Like clockwork.
It's not about Sanders the candidate and his past work, it's his supporters who seem to think that it should act a catch-all to address any and all criticism against their candidate of choice. It's a playbook that's been used constantly by this group since NetRoots, and it's failing - miserably. Why would I want to support a candidate saddled with grassroots this toxic? If this so-called revolutionary coalition is about black people sitting down and shutting up about being shot dead in the streets while being told what's best for them...well, you choose to hang out with who you like.
Me? I've always been a fan of the adage that if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Yeah, about that...
isn't bernie sanders even less popular among hispanics? at least to one poll i saw. only younger hispanics prefer bernie.
Damn it..lol.Thought for sure it was gonna be
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King was an actual anti-capitalist socialist, not a social democrathopefully this will help bernie with that demographic. he really does invoke the spirit of martin king, who also happened to believe in democratic socialism for america.
King was an actual anti-capitalist socialist, not a social democrat
You can't talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can't talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You're really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. Call it what you may, call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God's children.
that's a good point though considering drug offenses disproportionately affect minorities. then he showed the disparity between how minorities and the wealthy people up top are punished. a black person can get jail time for something as trivial as marijuana while the people that aided in the collapse of our economy, which negatively affected millions of americans, are allowed to pay their way out.
That's nice to hear, but I just don't think anything will help at this point. Despite all other factors, I think root cause in the lack of support for Bernie amongst minorities has more to do with that minorities just don't see Wall Street bankers as the great stumbling block. Or that campaign finance reform will fix institutional racism. What bankers are buying politicians forcing them to enact racist policies ? If anything those are ideas they politicians come up with on their own to appeal to the racist masses rather than special interests
Not to say Bernies record isn't good enough. It's just that he doesn't bring the same level of energy or enthusiasm towards fighting institutional racism that he does towards the topics that ascended him to stardom amongst the liberal white base. He definitely cares about these subjects but it's not his bread and butter. Subjects like racism and foreign policy it seems like he is often uncomfortable talking about them and wants to divert back towards the economy and campaign finance and corrupt politicians, etc.
Aren't some Clinton supporters doing the same thing from another position? "Don't vote for Bernie if you know what's good for you."I always find it funny when people get on their pedastal and in their best condescending "I know what's best for you more than you do" voice speak down to the pesky negroes how lost they are and that they need to vote for Bernie. Never realizing that they are the reason why many people don't want to fuck with Bernie.
Mind you this was about police brutality and discrimination.
Marijuana is still a crime regardless of how bs it is, as is CEO white collar crime.
Making marijuana legal won't do shit regarding police discrimination against minorities.
And the real obvious, not all minorities smoke marijuana.
I don't mind the criticism of Bernie in such examples as reparations. As a minority myself though I feel I know which candidate shares more of my interest in these topics. I don't think Hillary would be half the fighter Bernie is, let alone that I wouldn't expect her to be better on the issue of reparations.
Jill Stein said:Its really key that we address economic racism, which is also violent and which also has severe consequences. So were calling for a job as a human right for everyone at living wages, and to ensure that the communities that are most burdened, and thats communities of color and poor communities, that they are first in line and not last in line ... our focal programs [are] directed to bring jobs first to low-income and African-American communities that are hurting the most and most need good jobs and most need resources put back in the hands of communities from whom these resources have been stolen.
Reparations needs to happen. And this is a community that has been robbed blind, that built magnificent architecture and our transportation systems; theyre low-income people of color, in particularly slaves on whose backs this country was built. And we cant stop at reparations, we need to totally reform the economy, and let me just say that this is not just some pie in the sky thing, we can do this.
Who has done that here? I hope nobody.I always find it funny when people get on their pedestal and in their best condescending "I know what's best for you more than you do" voice speak down to the pesky negroes how lost they are and that they need to vote for Bernie. Never realizing that they are the reason why many people don't want to fuck with Bernie.
I think he genuinely believes that fixing Wall Street is the best way to fix racial inequalities by attacking economic inequality which he thinks directly correlates. He needs to communicate it better though.
Still a stronger stance than Hillary though, I think. I haven't her have a hard stance on any issue related to race (then again I haven't really heard her have a really hard stance on many things)
Q: That’s not what I mean. That’s not what I mean. But like what I’m saying is what you just said was a form of victim-blaming. Right you were saying that what the Black Lives Matter movement needs to do to change white hearts—
HILLARY CLINTON: Look I don’t believe you change hearts. I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. You’re not going to change every heart. You’re not. But at the end of the day, we could do a whole lot to change some hearts and change some systems and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them, to live up to their own God-given potential, to live safely without fear of violence in their own communities, to have a decent school, to have a decent house, to have a decent future. So we can do it one of many ways. You can keep the movement going, which you have started, and through it you may actually change some hearts. But if that’s all that happens, we’ll be back here in 10 years having the same conversation. We will not have all of the changes that you deserve to see happen in your lifetime because of your willingness to get out there and talk about this.
(Inaudible)
HILLARY CLINTON: Well I’m ready to get out and do my part in any way that I can.
Funny if you are not enlightened enough to be on the bern train you are automatically for Hillary. Then they launch into why she is the devil incarnate
yeah understood. I think Bernie was using that as an example of the gross discrimination in our system though, not saying that legalizing marijuana is the answer to that discrimination. I think his views on private prisons and stuff like that is how he'd go about changing that discrimination.
I always find it funny when people get on their pedestal and in their best condescending "I know what's best for you more than you do" voice speak down to the pesky negroes how lost they are and that they need to vote for Bernie. Never realizing that they are the reason why many people don't want to fuck with Bernie.
That's nice to hear, but I just don't think anything will help at this point. Despite all other factors, I think root cause in the lack of support for Bernie amongst minorities has more to do with that minorities just don't see Wall Street bankers as the great stumbling block. Or that campaign finance reform will fix institutional racism. What bankers are buying politicians forcing them to enact racist policies ? If anything those are ideas they politicians come up with on their own to appeal to the racist masses rather than special interests
Not to say Bernies record isn't good enough. It's just that he doesn't bring the same level of energy or enthusiasm towards fighting institutional racism that he does towards the topics that ascended him to stardom amongst the liberal white base. He definitely cares about these subjects but it's not his bread and butter. Subjects like racism and foreign policy it seems like he is often uncomfortable talking about them and wants to divert back towards the economy and campaign finance and corrupt politicians, etc.