Cornbread78
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I mean, it was a great punch though, and he did deserve it after lying to her when she was trying to protect her friend. It goes along with her believing in his innocence.
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I mean, it was a great punch though, and he did deserve it after lying to her when she was trying to protect her friend. It goes along with her believing in his innocence.
That she knows how much false allegations can hurt, and wants to believe Satoru is innocent like she wants to believe her father is innocent.
Also @lol Last Supper while the manager is going out.
EndlessSky
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Erased 5
I don't like how they showed that the future really did change. Kinda ruins the suspense now that we know anything wrong can be fixed with one or more trips to the past. I was hoping it would turn out that he ended up repeating his actions from his real childhood, but he just forgot he tried to save Hinazuki before. I mean like, he fell in love with her, witnessed the abuse, and tried to save her for real, but he forgot about all that from the trauma of her dying. His mom did say that they tried their best to make him forget everything from his childhood, so I thought this was a viable theory.
Also, I bet Airi saying "Are you an idiot?" and then Satoru responding to it which ended up emphasizing it, is the director trying to give us a hint of some kind of connection between Airi and Hinazuki.
I don't like how they showed that the future really did change. Kinda ruins the suspense now that we know anything wrong can be fixed with one or more trips to the past. I was hoping it would turn out that he ended up repeating his actions from his real childhood, but he just forgot he tried to save Hinazuki before. I mean like, he fell in love with her, witnessed the abuse, and tried to save her for real, but he forgot about all that from the trauma of her dying. His mom did say that they tried their best to make him forget everything from his childhood, so I thought this was a viable theory.
Also, I bet Airi saying "Are you an idiot?" and then Satoru responding to it which ended up emphasizing it, is the director trying to give us a hint of some kind of connection between Airi and Hinazuki.
QuiteWhittle
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Yep, it's weird how Satoru apparently gives zero fucks too.
I somehow forgot one of my best friends was abducted and murdered.
The school could have lied similar to the new timeline with the "moving away to grandparents" line. But don't you think one of the kids would have figured it out by accident and told everyone else.
I'm not buying it, Satoru confirmed murdered from the future.
Cornbread78
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I don't know. How much was actually change? The base fact that she still dies was the same though. He would still have to try and prevent her death from the new place/way she died. How does he know he can get it to work, when he already knew last time and still failed....
Episode 5
Well it was obvious what happened but didnt make the beginning any less sad, then seeing the bag get thrown out. I was wondering for a while when they were going to jump back to the present and here we go. When Satoru said he had a fight with his mother I was thinking why couldnt he have just said anything else lol but I suppose nothing would of helped anyway. Good to see Airi again, she was pretty helpful this episode. What a punch too. Hopefully Satoru is still around to help her. Whoever the culprit is really has a focus on Satoru.
Also imagine a chocolate bar leading to your divorce and losing everything. Im going to need an oompa loompa song about that one.
Well it was obvious what happened but didnt make the beginning any less sad, then seeing the bag get thrown out. I was wondering for a while when they were going to jump back to the present and here we go. When Satoru said he had a fight with his mother I was thinking why couldnt he have just said anything else lol but I suppose nothing would of helped anyway. Good to see Airi again, she was pretty helpful this episode. What a punch too. Hopefully Satoru is still around to help her. Whoever the culprit is really has a focus on Satoru.
Also imagine a chocolate bar leading to your divorce and losing everything. Im going to need an oompa loompa song about that one.
killer rin
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Episode 5
Yep, the anime is definitely the better format for this series, We're going 5/5 so far. Luckily for my sake, at this pace it seems we will catch back up to where I stopped in a couple episodes, then from there on I will be back to the week-to-week suspenseful journey.
Anyhow, I'm really interested in the lines they are trying to draw between Airi and Kayo with the "Are you stupid?" I'm absolutely curious as to whether that is a hint at something to come, or if its just a coincidence. As for the chocolate bar ruining her fathers life, it is kind of over the top, but at the same time it's simple enough that it gets the point across that he was blamed for something that he didn't do, and had his life ruined because of it. I can sort of believe it too because we've all seen people blamed and get into trouble for less.
Yep, the anime is definitely the better format for this series, We're going 5/5 so far. Luckily for my sake, at this pace it seems we will catch back up to where I stopped in a couple episodes, then from there on I will be back to the week-to-week suspenseful journey.
Anyhow, I'm really interested in the lines they are trying to draw between Airi and Kayo with the "Are you stupid?" I'm absolutely curious as to whether that is a hint at something to come, or if its just a coincidence. As for the chocolate bar ruining her fathers life, it is kind of over the top, but at the same time it's simple enough that it gets the point across that he was blamed for something that he didn't do, and had his life ruined because of it. I can sort of believe it too because we've all seen people blamed and get into trouble for less.
Episode 5
It really frustrates me that he thought she was going to be completely fine just because he removed her from the location that she was originally abducted from. He definitely should've been more cautious after the 1st just to be sure and focused more on who could've been a suspect in the past. As for the jump back to the present I'm assuming he was brought back as a way of saying "you fucked up and need more information" which he does start to get which is good. It sucks that Airi's involvement almost immediately put her life in danger, but it goes to show how good the killer is.
It really frustrates me that he thought she was going to be completely fine just because he removed her from the location that she was originally abducted from. He definitely should've been more cautious after the 1st just to be sure and focused more on who could've been a suspect in the past. As for the jump back to the present I'm assuming he was brought back as a way of saying "you fucked up and need more information" which he does start to get which is good. It sucks that Airi's involvement almost immediately put her life in danger, but it goes to show how good the killer is.
WrenchNinja
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Over a chocolate bar? Really?
Tatsumi Oga
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Hold on....the mom actually killed her daughter? Seemed kind of out of the blue, but at the same time not at all. Seeing how she treated her like complete shit really. Damn.
By the way, what was up with Kayo in previous episodes saying Are You stupid so much and at the most weird times? I just don't get that.
By the way, what was up with Kayo in previous episodes saying Are You stupid so much and at the most weird times? I just don't get that.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Presumably so it seems suspicious when the girl in the present does it.
WeaponKnight
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Question: are we allowed to openly talk about manga differences concerning episodes that have already been aired? I'll put it in spoiler tags just in case.
in the manga he actually
You see, in episode 1 when Satoru
remembers that he saw Kayo in the snow and could have saved her,
finds it difficult to remember Hiromi's face because it was him that his mother made him forget about, because Hiromi didn't hang out with the gang on the day he got murdered and Satoru felt guilty for not insisting.
We saw Satoru change things in the very first episode with the kid and the truck.
Damn, didn't necessarily see it going that way. It was pretty heart wrenching to see her there at the beginning... So Hinazuki was beaten to death (likely by the boyfriend) or he beat her and the mother drowned her. However, what about the actual abductions and the convenient way someone is always caught for it. The guy talking to the manager was obviously a politician of some sort. Considering it's Japan, maybe influential politician is covering up for his crazy son and all the children he abducted and killed. So maybe the person Satoru's mom saw was actually someone she recognized from her days working at the TV station. Perhaps related to some case they reported on. The conspiracy is starting to go deep and Satoru doesn't have enough information to realize that. Still so focused on Hinazuki.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Yeah exactly, that was some weird stuff.
Can't say I wanted things to go this way though. I liked that little thing the two had going on, was nice. Is this only 12 episodes by the way?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
No worries, there's zero chance this progresses without him resetting again.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Yeah true indeed. Maybe I missed it, but his power/ability has yet to be explained, right? I could have missed it because I tent to watch anime while I am in a party with friends. Yeah, not a good idea really, I know.
Cornbread78
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I'm pretty sure the first episode explained that it just happens and he has no control over it.
Erased-5
The first thing I noticed was wrong was this scene. The audio makes it sound like Satoru is hearing this but the visuals show that he's watching this through the window due to the fogging effect. So the police are keeping something like an abduction quiet. Why? Who knows. This kinda comes off like a Japanese cultural thing so whatever. Appearances are more important than keeping people informed apparently. We also have the bloodhound friend who is 5 to ten years smarter than his actual age and figures everything out.
Many of these characters just don't seem like actual human beings. The mother smirking when she throws out Kayo's stuff? Come the fuck on. Instead of having the mother be worried about her daughter or even miss her, the show instead goes for the hamfisted 'I'm a bad person route' when it was unnecessary instead of reeling it in to possibly make the mother into something more than a 2D villain. The direction when Satoru sees the mittens comes off as overdone and poorly handled for a number of reasons.
Come the fuck on.
The first is that the transition to the flash forward is awkwardly placed and just thrown into Satoru running creating a visual jumble. The visual pan up doesn't actual match Satoru's vision so it's unnecessarily conflicting camerawork. You then have the change in artstyle that again along with the other things happening in the scene detracts from what should have been an emotional moment as you have a fish-eye pan up, Satoru running, the crows picking at the bags, and the usual 'sketchy' art for emotional moments all cut together into a five second window that is just a mess. The reaction itself by Satoru feels out of place as I would expect something closer to a growing sense of depression and anger rather than shock.
About as subtle as a dick punch.
This fugitive angle makes no fucking sense. Are the cops somehow even more incompetent than their US counterparts? How does he outrun a bunch of cops who are virtually on top of him? Was he an Olympic runner in one of his Revivals? The show 'conveniently' skips over this probably because it wouldn't have made sense anyway.
The framing aspect as a whole never made sense because Satoru would have had a clear alibi at the time of the murder unless the police don't know how to check how long someone's been dead. The police then don't use GPS tracking to find Satoru despite him having his phone on him the entire time. Why? I don't know. The show even confirms that GPS tracking as a thing as Airi apparently knows about it. I'm not expecting a hardcore fugitive story but the police here come as buffoons. Then there is the manager.
He would be ashamed.
? So you invite a known suspect, that possibly murdered his mother, over to your house? Just so you can trap him for the police? Why? Why? Why? Satoru himself acts like an idiot by going over to his boss's house despite not knowing whether it was a trap or not. Were they not keeping track of Satoru's colleagues? The people he might go to for support? The police of course don't barricade the building but instead decide to talk their time having a nice conversation with the manager. Satoru gets away and miraculously runs into Airi. Why Airi was in the neighborhood near her manager's house, who knows. I guess the manager's neighbor was in the mood for some pizza. Airi of course believes Satoru and takes him home.
Who has a picture of the Last Supper in their house? Is he a born again Christian?
Satoru decidest to go out in public during the day because he's not a known fugitive. Apparently just being on TV isn't enough to make a person cautious. The manager of course decides to play hero I guess because he wants to fuck Airi? Despite then possibly ratting her out to the police too. You were worried about her but you also suggested for her to help out the fugitive that you suspected killed his mother? Baka nano?
What game is this idiot playing?
So Airi's story is supposed to make her reasons for helping Satoru clear although it left me a bit cold. I can sort of excuse that as a cultural gap thing. They didn't even really need this story either. What pissed me off was the ending. I almost rolled my eyes out of my skull. Why does the killer still have the mother's cellphone? Of course the episode has to end with Airi being in danger for no reason. This was insulting. It was as if the writer needs to haphazardly throw in thriller elements just to make sure the work doesn't become boring. Baka nano?
Over a goddamn chocolate bar? lol Japan
slightconfuse
Banned
Things are heating up(pun intended I guess).
Does this mean That satorus friend is not in jail anymore?
Does this mean That satorus friend is not in jail anymore?
cj_iwakura
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Wow, the budget of this show is insane. Rivals UFOTable stuff, and some motion pictures.
This is what pissed me off the most.
veloxStrix
Banned
It has to be a plot point, right? Or maybe he assumes that since he changed the future that will save Jun (or whatever his name is). The boy isn't mentioned at all in the book so maybe they ended up living thanks to the changes he made.
Captain Rage Quit 69
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The further this show goes the more divided opinions seem to get, lol.
Given how we have 7 more episodes to go, I'm not giving up hope. They can't all be winners.
Given how we have 7 more episodes to go, I'm not giving up hope. They can't all be winners.
Sakura
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I thought the the episode was of similar quality to the rest.
The police are not keeping it quiet, it's on TV. The local media however is only showing it on the local channels at night, so the kids don't get spooked or something.
Maybe if they went to trial Satoru wouldn't end up getting convicted.
The problem is his mother is dead. He is trying to find out why and reverse it. If they catch him, he will at the very least be held by the police, and I believe they can hold you for a decent amount of time in Japan. So if he is held, he can't really do any research on the matter.
On TV it said that a mother was found dead in an apartment, and the police are searching the whereabouts of another male resident thought to be involved.
Satoru's manager and Airi know, because the police came to their workplace looking for him.
Well it shows him with the window open, while he looks through the glass. Not sure what is confusing about that.
The police are not keeping it quiet, it's on TV. The local media however is only showing it on the local channels at night, so the kids don't get spooked or something.
Ultimately the fugitive angle doesn't really matter.
Maybe if they went to trial Satoru wouldn't end up getting convicted.
The problem is his mother is dead. He is trying to find out why and reverse it. If they catch him, he will at the very least be held by the police, and I believe they can hold you for a decent amount of time in Japan. So if he is held, he can't really do any research on the matter.
Satoru isn't on TV. It doesn't mention his name or show his photo.
On TV it said that a mother was found dead in an apartment, and the police are searching the whereabouts of another male resident thought to be involved.
Satoru's manager and Airi know, because the police came to their workplace looking for him.
The problem is that he shouldn't be hearing what they're saying.
The police did keep it quiet. The incidents were only put on the news after the second incident and only at weird hours of the night.
The fugitive angle does matter as the show is wasting time on it. It's not like he would be detained for months while his alibi clears. The most they can detain him is essentially a month and there really wouldn't be a reason to hold him for more than a day or so as he has a clear alibi. We don't need to see the full trial but again the police are coming off as incompetent. It's an unnecessary element that is detracting from the core component of the show.
We also don't know whether Satoru's photo was or wasn't show on TV. The TV is away from the camera in the episode. In the US they always show the suspect's face especially if there is a possible manhunt going on. In this case he would be considered a danger to the public so it seems the news would mention his identity.
veloxStrix
Banned
Japan quit showing mugshots after that Kira business.
Sakura
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The police didn't keep it quiet.
It was the media. Satoru's mother worked for the media, and so did the person she was talking to outside.
It was also only the local area.
A month is kind of a long time when he doesn't know if and when his stupid ability will proc again.
In either case, Japan is different than the US. In Japan the conviction rate is like 99% or something crazy, and I believe it is more guilty until proven innocent.
In the lack of any other suspects, it is possible Satoru could get stuck with the crime, especially if the criminal has connections with the police/government.
But again it's hard to know unless it happens.
If they didn't say his name, then I really don't think they are going to show his face...
I don't even recall it saying he was a suspect on the TV.
You are just assuming that he is being shown on TV when there is no real indication of that.
Don't get me wrong, the series has its problems, and there are things I don't like. But this episode isn't that much worse than any of the others.
killer rin
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Manga Spoilers, don't reveal unless you want to be spoiled
As duckroll spoke earlier in the thread, I think this is just one of those cases where the info is shuffled around to fit the narrative. The way I see it Satoru has just been focused on Kayo because it was the obvious being the first dead and all.
That said, we haven't actually really gotten to that information in the show yet. Its popped up on screen a couple times with Satoru focusing only on Kayo, but next episode is where that will all come out because he will be meeting with the reporter dude. It's at that point where it is really brought up in the story-line instead of just being hinted at.
That said, we haven't actually really gotten to that information in the show yet. Its popped up on screen a couple times with Satoru focusing only on Kayo, but next episode is where that will all come out because he will be meeting with the reporter dude. It's at that point where it is really brought up in the story-line instead of just being hinted at.
WeaponKnight
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That makes sense. They probably thought that scene was unnecessary or something.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Maybe I am sounding stupid now, but I had not noticed this the first time. We see Kayo's parents in the house hiding, and not opening the door when Satoru is outside. The last shot we see of them there is also a body. We see the bruises and everything, so it's clear it's Kayo. It seems like this killer didn't do it after all, but her parents. So Satoru's plan was all for nothing, thinking he could prevent the killer from abducting or killing her,when it wasn't even about that. Those parents man, sick.
Cornbread78
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Wait, what??? Did I completely miss that? Hold the phone, I have to go back and watch that again..
Cornbread78
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How the hell did I miss that. I saw that scene, but somehow missed her feet.... So her mother killed her. WTF.
Now I have to rewatch the part about how he notice the future had changed.... Did they mention the mother there?
...or did she?
Maybe they just happened to find the body and did not know quite what to do, knowing that going to the cops will just paint a giant "prime suspects" mark on her lover and her?
Cornbread78
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I think I'm more pissed at myself for completely missing that part of the scene. I remember that image specifically but didn't make out the feet there. Somebody kill that bit(h of a mother, like immediately...
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Maybe it's not the case at all, but if you happen to have the wrong colour space/RGB level enabled on the console or the wrong black level on the tv. That can hide detail, you'd otherwise see. or maybe you just missed it. i sure did the first time.
Yep. Very possible too. I wonder why they would just suddenly murder her, while she was allowed to hang out with Satoru the day before. Why kill her, why now?
Most likely an accident caused by beating her too hard.Maybe it's not the case at all, but if you happen to have the wrong colour space/RGB level enabled on the console or the wrong black level on the tv. That can hide detail, you'd otherwise see. or maybe you just missed it. i sure did the first time.
Yep. Very possible too. I wonder why they would just suddenly murder her, while she was allowed to hang out with Satoru the day before. Why kill her, why now?
That would make her dumb evil smirk even more dumb
WeaponKnight
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Not that it would fit with what's happening, but she could have beaten her and went too far by "accident".
I started watching this earlier in the week, got caught up today. Really good show despite some iffy plot elements. Really looks fantastic (Sachiko's botox lips and all).
Is it just me though, or does it feel a little too obviously signposted that
. Hoping this isn't the case of course, but that's really how it feels things are headed.
Maybe they stuck her out in the shed and she froze to death?
Is it just me though, or does it feel a little too obviously signposted that
the teacher is going to be the killer?
Maybe they stuck her out in the shed and she froze to death?
Episode 5
That really wasn't all that bad. It was a pretty pulpy episode, but nothing that wasn't really already telegraphed in previous episodes. The mystery angle of the show was always going to be like this anyway. Not that it's a good thing, but it is what it is!
Worst parts of the episode would be the scene Kayo's mother comes out of the house with the garbage bag with that EVIL GRIN on her face, the camera focusing on THE LAST SUPPER on the wall when Satoru was at the manager's place, and the hilarious pseudo-ominous camerawork in the scene where the manager talks to the politician. Those are the over the top bad directing traits which drag the episode down, but we've had tons of that in previous episodes too - red eyes, evil grins, ominous meeting scenes, same shit different era.
Story-wise, the most nonsensical thing is why Satoru is even on the run. There is no evidence against him, there is only an "eyewitness" account which is a misunderstanding. He could easily have turned himself in at the start of the episode and would save himself a ton of trouble. I mean, it's not like he has some grand plan that requires him being a free man. If his plan is to trigger Revival again, there's no reason why that can't happen if he's in a holding cell waiting for shit to be sorted out!
That really wasn't all that bad. It was a pretty pulpy episode, but nothing that wasn't really already telegraphed in previous episodes. The mystery angle of the show was always going to be like this anyway. Not that it's a good thing, but it is what it is!
Worst parts of the episode would be the scene Kayo's mother comes out of the house with the garbage bag with that EVIL GRIN on her face, the camera focusing on THE LAST SUPPER on the wall when Satoru was at the manager's place, and the hilarious pseudo-ominous camerawork in the scene where the manager talks to the politician. Those are the over the top bad directing traits which drag the episode down, but we've had tons of that in previous episodes too - red eyes, evil grins, ominous meeting scenes, same shit different era.
Story-wise, the most nonsensical thing is why Satoru is even on the run. There is no evidence against him, there is only an "eyewitness" account which is a misunderstanding. He could easily have turned himself in at the start of the episode and would save himself a ton of trouble. I mean, it's not like he has some grand plan that requires him being a free man. If his plan is to trigger Revival again, there's no reason why that can't happen if he's in a holding cell waiting for shit to be sorted out!
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I think the idea is that if Satoru's wants to figure out how to fix everything with this unique Revival scenario, he'd have to be out there investigating and seeing the effects of his changing the past rather than sitting in a holding cell and waiting for the Japanese legal system to sort things out.
Plus, given the emphasis they put on the whole "innocent people getting framed for crimes" stuff, I don't doubt that Satoru's worried that the crime is gonna be shoved on him if they can't find a proper culprit.
Sure, there's no reason he can't just wait to trigger his ability again. But he doesn't know how long that will take, and without any potential outside information who knows how many trips to the past it could take until he can put together all the pieces needed to undo the whole mess and find the real culprit.
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