The New Hampshire Primary |Feb 9|: Live Free or Die

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Iorv3th said:
I don't think he said he would ban all muslims, I thought it said from certain muslim countries.
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thats the beauty of trump,

leave things just ambiguous enough so that he can pander to racists while still being able to claim he was misinterpretted
 
cpp_is_king said:
Are we talking about astronauts or politicians? PS: If I'm a Bernie supporter than Trump thinks Fiorina is hot.
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The point you missed is that voters should want politicians with experience and qualifications when running for President. Experience isn't a dirty or tainted word, it should ideally be the default starting point every voter should be asking. Hence why Trump and Carson are joke candidates who should never have been seriously entertained by the public.

Besides, Sanders ain't exactly "new blood".
 
I'm shocked that they aren't framing this win for Sanders more in the sense that it's a huge deal not only that he defeated her, not only did he defeat her with pretty solid numbers, but he did so in a state where Clinton defeated Obama last time. To me, this is huge for him no matter who was favored or not.
 
Voysa Reezun said:
I guess my questions coming out of NH, assuming things hold, are these:

1. Sanders (and the party voters) have pulled Hillary leftward. If she sees herself as having very low support among youth voters, does she try to move even more to the left to get them motivated to come out for her in November, or does she punt the youth vote to some degree and stay where she is?

2. Does the establishment go back to backing Bush, keep backing Rubio, or back Kasich instead?

3. Can Trump win states with large fundamentalist Christian populations and consolidate his lead, or can Cruz push him in those states?
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1. She can't walk back to the left now. The youth vote will got Sanders through the primaries no matter what because he has a history of progressive stances, where Hillary has a history of compromise while remaining fairly socially progressive.

2. It's kinda hard to tell. Rubio and Bush might rebound yet, but I think Kasich is their front runner after tonight.

3. He might be able to, we'll have a better idea after SC and NV what Trump can manage to get.
 
Voysa Reezun said:
I guess my questions coming out of NH, assuming things hold, are these:

1. Sanders (and the party voters) have pulled Hillary leftward. If she sees herself as having very low support among youth voters, does she try to move even more to the left to get them motivated to come out for her in November, or does she punt the youth vote to some degree and stay where she is?
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More YAAS Queen T-Shirts and coffee mugs will be made. Maybe some merchandise themed around Feeling the Rod.
 
Downhome said:
I'm shocked that they aren't framing this win for Sanders more in the sense that it's a huge deal not only that he defeated her, not only did he defeat her with pretty solid numbers, but he did so in a state where Clinton defeated Obama last time. To me, this is huge for him no matter who was favored or not.
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Most news outlets are clearly backing Clinton so it's not really surprising.
 
Miles X said:
What's to worry about? He can't do anything he's proposed ... and he's lefter than the rest. Who exactly do you want to get the nomination if not Trump?
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John? I want Bernie or Clinton to win though. I just don't like how he speaks, and insults anyone that doesn't agree with him or talks negative about him.
 
The Technomancer said:
Okay so now in order for things to happen not only does Bernie have to win but some Democrats in congress have to be replaced, by the election of their states, with more radical Democrats?

How does that happen? How does that happen before like, 2026?
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It won't.

Best we could do is "sneak" progressive candidates in. 2020 in Kansas would be the perfect time. Run a single issue governor (school reform) and a progressive Rep member. By 2020 Brownbacks Kansas will have seen dozens if not closing in on hundreds of school closures, with hundreds of teachers fired. You can already see the growing discontent. The school in my tiny town of 1800 is likely being closed this year, and consolidated with a range of towns. 35-40 minute drives to bring their children to school will not sit well with people.
 
Indicate said:
Nice. How long were the lines at your polling station
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No one else there besides the people volunteering.

I pretty much sprinted in (lol) and saw some people with bernie signs, yelled "BERNIE!!!!" they cheered me on, and I felt like rocky. Cue eye of the tiger. I get in there, it's dead and everyone is staring at me. I tell them my last name, go to the privacy booth and vote.

It was awesome.

A Human Becoming said:
They actually locked the doors at a polling station I went to once it hit 8.

Man, all these Granite State peeps coming out of the wood works!
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It seemed like they were going to be accepting more votes for a couple minutes, but I dunno. Had a 12 hour day and wanted to see results so I left pretty quick :P
 
Downhome said:
I'm shocked that they aren't framing this win for Sanders more in the sense that it's a huge deal not only that he defeated her, not only did he defeat her with pretty solid numbers, but he did so in a state where Clinton defeated Obama last time. To me, this is huge for him no matter who was favored or not.
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I agree. Hopefully this win helps Bernie get some momentum coming into the next primary state.
 
PsychoWARD23 said:
Most news outlets are clearly backing Clinton so it's not really surprising.
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Well, yeah, that's true.

If Bernie would just get a bit more vocal about things like this then he could have a legit shot at this whole thing. He isn't going to get anywhere by constantly playing Mr. nice guy though. He will ultimately have to bite back, force the media to talk about things like this.
 
neurosisxeno said:
1. She can't walk back to the left now. The youth vote will got Sanders through the primaries no matter what because he has a history of progressive stances, where Hillary has a history of compromise while remaining fairly socially progressive.

2. It's kinda hard to tell. Rubio and Bush might rebound yet, but I think Kasich is their front runner after tonight.

3. He might be able to, we'll have a better idea after SC and NV what Trump can manage to get.
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I think this is premature. Remember that Kasich has pretty much ONLY been running in new hampshire so his numbers are going to be inflated here. Nationally he does extremely poorly as well as among evangelicals and he does not have the funds to run a significant campaign anywhere right now.

Bush and Rubio have far better traction outside of N.H., despite their lower finish here. I can see him stay in, but he's not going to be the standard bearer.
 
cpp_is_king said:
And the top 1% are already paying close to half of all federal income tax. In any case, it's not even close to what most republicans want to do. Most want to reduce tax on the rich and do nothing for the poor and middle class. He wants to lower it for everyone. And don't forget, lowering the tax by 5% helps the poor more than it helps the rich. So the poor are still getting the better end of that deal.

The top 1% currently own about 40% of the country's wealth, and pay about 50% of the country's federal income tax. Sounds fair and like it's working as intended to me.

It sounds like you want the rich to pay more just because you're pissed off at them and you don't think people should have wealth. I mean, whatever, apparently that's a thing that real people believe, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree about it.
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Most republicans are all about tax cuts for everybody but the rich get a larger cut. Don't let the Ben Carsons of the Republican Party fool you with their flat tax plans.

I don't hate wealthy people, I just think they should pay more. Not that we should take all their money.

Edit: back to my point: Trump is no Democrat.
 
Downhome said:
I'm shocked that they aren't framing this win for Sanders more in the sense that it's a huge deal not only that he defeated her, not only did he defeat her with pretty solid numbers, but he did so in a state where Clinton defeated Obama last time. To me, this is huge for him no matter who was favored or not.
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You're not entirely wrong, but you could argue that Obama was likely to lose NH for the same reason that Bernie was likely to win it. At the very least, this proves that the campaign is viable, but the real test will probably be SC.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
It won't.

Best we could do is "sneak" progressive candidates in. 2020 in Kansas would be the perfect time. Run a single issue governor (school reform) and a progressive Rep member. By 2020 Brownbacks Kansas will have seen dozens if not closing in on hundreds of school closures, with hundreds of teachers fired. You can already see the growing discontent. The school in my tiny town of 1800 is likely being closed this year, and consolidated with a range of towns. 35-40 minute drives to bring their children to school will not sit well with people.
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you mean 2018.
 
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