Ha this is getting ridiculous, every new poster in this thread has really no idea what this thread is about.
It's like groundhog day we need to keep repeating since they only see the thread title and never read any post it is baffling seeing this.
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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It's like groundhog day we need to keep repeating since they only see the thread title and never read any post it is baffling seeing this.
I was in the same situation with their shitty account system with links to a fuck load of other accounts making a huge web of permanent links with paid name changes and limitations all over.
I deleted my Microsoft account and all accounts linked to it and said fuck it.
vasametropolis
Member
I forgot about this part. It would be sensible for them to re-evaluate their stance here since every other service on PC does it for free. They would also have to make it free on Xbox though by nature of the account system... :/
GavinUK86
Member
There's no exclusive fullscreen. No use of Freesync. No SLI support. That all affects gameplay.
In a matter of days I've gone from wishing I had an XBO, to being thankful I have a decent gaming PC to not buying QB again. What a wonderful time to be alive.
When the game itself becomes inconvenient and/or uncomfortable to play due to the dumb limitations like the lack of exclusive full screen, then yes, it trumps the game itself - because why on earth would I signal to a company that these things are okay?
Reviled services like Uplay and Origin never came close to being as bad as Windows Store in this regard.
If this is to be the future of MS games on PC then I'll get the Xbox One versions instead or just not bother. Even if the PC versions do offer higher resolutions and framerates, and a bigger choice of control schemes, I'm not supporting crap like this:
I've read the entire thread and I have no idea what you're talking about. Care to point out some examples of irrational fanboyism instead of just downplaying someone else's opinion that doesn't perfectly align with your own?
Well, yeah, that was my entire point! The universal apps make it as a closed system as it can be. This doesn't happen with any of the other stores on PC. EA does allow for third party games, although they give very few reasons for someone to publish there.
Why would they care where you bought it? W10 or Xb1, it's all the same to them.
I guess they are actually reading every bit of info but they have an interest in bringing back confusing "facts" because ... you know... reasons.
Origin isn't exclusive to EA games.
Example:
https://www.origin.com/en-gb/store/buy/assassins-creed-syndicate/pc-download/base-game/gold-edition
Lilalaunebaer
Member
Hey guys, why are you all whining. Lol, entitled PC master race. MS needs the money, don´t you know? Ea has a store, so it´s the same. Just be thankful that your PC will become the new "All in one entertainment system ©"
/s
fluffydelusions
Member
This thread should have a poll about who cares and who doesn't
vasametropolis
Member
I'm not sure this aspect of it was done with malice, though. It is the nature of how the app system works for every modern store, which is unfortunate, but that's the path we're on.
I think they would have been better off going the Uplay route. Buy the game from Steam or Windows Store, both use Xbox app and account system. We'll see how it goes...
I think they see random words and shitpost for no reason without understanding what is really going on.
Gaben knew it before it happened and look where we are now.
The reason we now get One games is the app store.
The reason we have SteamOs and Steam machines is the app store.
This is not a gfw situation, the amount of money on line here is far too big.
Steam proved that a pc store works and generates billions every year - now think about the money an Android like pc store could make where the majority of all pc software sales would happen.
Valve/Steam is the only competitor for this and Ms can't loose this battle.
For or against.
Real gamers or corporate apologists.
Neckbeards or the who gives a fucks.
I just hope we get kinect.
The opinion of those who don't see this as a big deal are no less valid than those who are turned off by it. If anything is happening in this thread it's the latter group who are trying to convince everyone this is terrible and there's no two ways about it.
Malice? Of course not. Greed? Absolutely.
Yes. Please forgive us for not wanting our PCs to turn into consoles.
roadrunn3r
Member
Someone should tell the people who decided to sell their xbone's to buy them back. All's good now.
vasametropolis
Member
Well, fuck. Gordon Gekko, right.
Koutsoubas
Member
Ι most certainly wont change my OS which I have for more than just simply gaming(I happen to be a professional liking his OS right now), in order to play one game!
Good thinking from Microsoft, but bad execution in my opinion
Good thinking from Microsoft, but bad execution in my opinion
My man, Microsoft has already lost that battle.
A shame about this, means Im going to be passing on everything they put out, which isnt much of a change from the GFW days I suppose. So... The status quo shall march on. I rightfully took it with a grain of salt when they claimed their brand *New*, 'for reals this time' , push into PC gaming was going to be great. lol.
A shame about this, means Im going to be passing on everything they put out, which isnt much of a change from the GFW days I suppose. So... The status quo shall march on. I rightfully took it with a grain of salt when they claimed their brand *New*, 'for reals this time' , push into PC gaming was going to be great. lol.
The restrictions on Windows 10 apps are pretty bad. I got Rise of the Tomb Raider through that Ukrainian price exploit and it's pretty crazy what you can't do. Still rather play Quantum Break than not, so I'll still be buying it. But will definitely be trying to get it as cheaply as possible. My low price of entry with Tomb Raider is the only thing that makes all the Windows 10 app restrictions tolerable. After playing, well pretty much anything else on PC, it was insane to not be able to do things like smooth out frame pacing with RTSS, or monitor shit using an overlay.
The person that quote chain started from was the zillionth "It's just another store" thing which is factually incorrect. If that's your opinion, it is indeed less valid because it isn't informed.
Crayon
Member
The coming mobile/desktop convergence is going to be a bloodbath.
As we speak, native apps are being written for steam link. The cheap as chips steam link with the arm processor and linux stack.
protomouse
Member
I bet Richard Stallman would get a hearty laugh out of this thread. Either that, or a brain aneurysm.
vasametropolis
Member
I think the apps obey driver level settings on nvidia at least though right? Think I read that several pages back. If you can use something like nvidiainspector to enforce fps caps at a driver level it may work? There's work to be done here and I imagine some of these basics will eventually work. But yes it sucks for now.
So you're suggesting that the use of Windows Store somehow negates the use of Windows 10 to do all the other things the OS does, including continuing to run your Steam, GoG, Origin games, etc. just the same as they always have? You don't have to buy anything from it ever if you're entrenched in the idea that you must be able to mod. That's your choice and nobody is telling you otherwise.
What I don't buy is this silly notion that PC gaming is ONLY about being able to mod.
To them it is just another store. You seem to be of the impression that everyone values that list of items Durante keeps posting.
He would certainly laugh and mock everyone for staying with Windows with a reap what you sow or something thrown in. 2016 is the year of Linux.
Well I don't care what MS cares or doesn't care about. I'm just saying I'm not buying the games for PC for the reason I stated. What PC gamer who cares about the platform and its future would do so?
I have an Xbox One for the few exclusives I'm interested in, so I'll just carrying on buying them there. It would have been really nice to play those games on PC, assuming we'll get the ones I would be interested in (Halo, Forza) but not like this.
Why would MS fill Gaben's pocket? Stands to reason that the only reason you're getting Xbox exclusives on PC is so they can push the Windows Store (and whatever it morphs into in the coming years) as well as Windows 10 adoption. The money per copy is chump change to them. They're in for the long-haul.
Bought Rise, played Rise, had no problem.
Bought Rise, played Rise, had no problem.
flaxknuckles
Member
Yeah, buying the games on their other closed platform that has none of those features, that'll tell em
Whilst I'm totally fine with Microsoft wanting to sell games themselves in principle - wanting to not fork out the 30% that store fronts usually charge to sell through them.
The idea that the only reason why these games are coming to PC is the 30% cut seems ridiculous to me. Let's also not forget that having your games exclusive to your own platform incurs extra operational costs of:
Content delivery (downloads)
Payment handling and processing
License and account management
Support
This is ignoring all the other value adds which platforms like Steam add (Steam community, steam cloud, steam marketplace, workshop, steamworks, etc).
So when you take off the costs involved with maintaining and scaling for the extra load on these services, that savings is even smaller than 30%. Now, for a company like Microsoft they have infrastructure at such a scale where it won't cost them much at all to do so, but it's still a cost nonetheless.
Decisions on if a game should be on PC or not were not made on the 30% revenue cut, I'm sure it played some part in the decision, but I can't see any reasonable line of thought that would suggest it being the main reason for doing so.
So does it now support exclusive full screen?
The idea that the only reason why these games are coming to PC is the 30% cut seems ridiculous to me. Let's also not forget that having your games exclusive to your own platform incurs extra operational costs of:
Content delivery (downloads)
Payment handling and processing
License and account management
Support
This is ignoring all the other value adds which platforms like Steam add (Steam community, steam cloud, steam marketplace, workshop, steamworks, etc).
So when you take off the costs involved with maintaining and scaling for the extra load on these services, that savings is even smaller than 30%. Now, for a company like Microsoft they have infrastructure at such a scale where it won't cost them much at all to do so, but it's still a cost nonetheless.
Decisions on if a game should be on PC or not were not made on the 30% revenue cut, I'm sure it played some part in the decision, but I can't see any reasonable line of thought that would suggest it being the main reason for doing so.
So does it now support exclusive full screen?
Atraveller
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And a separate poll about who read the thread and who didn't.
No, SLI works in Windowed mode.
This is exactly what will happen if they get any traction. Maybe Windows 11 goes the full UWA route.
I'm on the csail mailing list and the guy gets triggered by the smallest things, I'm going to go with brain aneurysm. They were giving out Amazon gift cards as incentives to students to do presentations and he went on a rant against Amazon and how it was a bad incentive. Another time someone just posted that a company was hiring and he went off that company may be involved in things he disagrees with but would have to check. He lets NOTHING get by him lol.
vasametropolis
Member
OK well thanks for correcting. All I ever see is EA games, but I never dug that deep. I guess that leaves Blizzard?
Looks like we can take one off the list then.
Perhaps we can assume it will improve one day as everything does. But as of right now, sure. It might be the case.
Oh it does, but what I remember with my SLI rigs, not as well or as consistently as with exclusive full screen.
and if you vote that you dont care you should be banned for a day for wasting everyones time.
This is nothing more than fear mongering.
This is what that guy posted "The amount of anger over using one storefront over another is crazy to me. If the difference between playing and not playing a game is which client you have to launch it through, I can't imagine that person cares about the game much in the first place. There's no situation to me where choice of storefront is more important to me than the gameplay considering 99% of my time is in the game, not in the client. Maybe i'm just weird though."
That sure is talking about how they don't care about that stuff and not just being an asshat that assumes that's what everyone is annoyed by.
Even if you don't care about it, to pretend like there's no reason for others is disingenuous as fuck.
Or it could just be they didn't read the thread. I'm wagering on that one.