OnionPowder
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In Dark Souls there is no option in the game to change the rendering resolution. The only way to force a higher resolution is through a mod which is not possible in a windows store game
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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In Dark Souls there is no option in the game to change the rendering resolution. The only way to force a higher resolution is through a mod which is not possible in a windows store game
W10 is great for high end games, the store isn't due to the software on it being nearly completely inflexible.
WOW. Holy shit! Seriously it's more and more unbelievable the way this thread has unfolded.
Quantum Break is playable on PC. The "list of negatives" means absolutely fuck-all to me. It's playable on PC, end of story. Can't believe there is so much loyalty for a digital distribution platform. Not for a gaming platform. We're not talking about pc versus xbox versus OSX. This is Steam vs another platform available on PC!!!!! Completely unreal.
QB coming to PC in some form is better than it not coming to PC, but it's clear that Microsoft's commitment to PC gaming will always be secondary to their broader corporate strategy, and as such it will always be compromised in some form.
That's not to say that rival storefronts are entirely free of compromise, but the likes of Steam, GOG and Humble have a track record of doing a far better job doing right by their customers than Microsoft do.
Hell, just recently Microsoft revoked access to all games that all customers bought from the Games For Windows store because doing so was convenient. The only reason there has not been a massive uproar over it is that it was a terrible store and so didn't have very many customers.
That's not to say that rival storefronts are entirely free of compromise, but the likes of Steam, GOG and Humble have a track record of doing a far better job doing right by their customers than Microsoft do.
Hell, just recently Microsoft revoked access to all games that all customers bought from the Games For Windows store because doing so was convenient. The only reason there has not been a massive uproar over it is that it was a terrible store and so didn't have very many customers.
Crimsonclaw111
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That would be an overlay, so no.
Vincent Grayson
Member
I'm in 2, because I own 2 consoles to handle the other option.
And here ladies and gentlemen is another person who just jumps into a thread without reading dick all or understanding the reasons behind it, and throwing around blanket statements.
Unless I'm missing sarcasm here, because fuck if I know anymore the way this thread has devolved.
Nope, it's lame.
R3TRO
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Basically.
GhostTrick
Banned
Steam is the only viable solution as of today. Let's be honest, as much as great is GOG, it'll never reach the point where all publishers comes to it. :/
I wouldn't say the platform alone is the problem, it's that MS isn't offering a version that doesn't exist in a locked off sandbox anywhere- even the Windows Store.
Steam isn't the best solution much less the only one. The W10 store would be better had they not sandboxed the game.
Dick Justice
Banned
It has nothing to do with the store it's available on, Steam or otherwise. The problem, if you'll read the thread, is that the Windows store places restrictions on PC programs that enthusiasts and knowledgeable people tend to consider unacceptable.
Jesus fucking christ, you read the list of negatives and still insist on the fucking "loyalty to digital distribution platform" and "Steam vs another platform"? Come the fuck on man, you already read why people think this is bullshit. If that game was on any other store that offers basic fucking functionality this thread wouldn't have half the replies.
What is fucking unreal is that you read the list of negatives and still spouted up that shitty nonsense.
The W10 store would be better by not being what is like now? Not sure that argument makes much sense.
OnionPowder
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You must not play a lot of Japanese games lol.
It technically had a resolution setting but it just upscales the PS3 res to what you set it to. Also checking AA would break the game and render the game at a quarter size in the top left corner. On top of that there is a 30 FPS cap.
It was fixed by a 3rd party program by Durante (the guy you were quoting who knows more than me and most other people about how PC games work)
Let's be honest, putting the game on the windows store is the bait needed to get all the pro gamers off win7 and to win10 (and not having to give a rival a 30% cut to go with it)
EDIT: after actually having looked into the whole situation, I can see why there's concern that this will be some huge mess. But considering MS is tired of the whole "support 3 OSes" game, that perhaps it will go along fine supported on mobile port games. Then again, what's to say that uPlay or Origin could pack up shop?
EDIT: after actually having looked into the whole situation, I can see why there's concern that this will be some huge mess. But considering MS is tired of the whole "support 3 OSes" game, that perhaps it will go along fine supported on mobile port games. Then again, what's to say that uPlay or Origin could pack up shop?
It wouldn't be playable on W7 even if it wasn't a UWA game since it runs on DX12.
OnionPowder
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Thats what they hope but really the game will just sell significantly worse
The "pro gamers" that would move from Win 7 to Win 10 are technically savvy enough to know the limitations imposed by their god awful store and their past with GFWL and their recent disabling of playing your purchases through that client/store. The only people this will get are the unsuspecting (which is even moreso limited by those system requirements) or the ones that really do not give a damn and just want to play the game. This game is bound to fail sale-wise on the PC, you can quote me on it too.
But those 'pro gamers' are probably the ones complaining about the restrictions sandboxed games impose on users in this very thread. They're literally the demographic that cares about this stuff. It's bait that stinks like shit.
Eh? Why should the only people allowed to post be those that care whether or not the game comes to Steam or other stores (and nobody give me the "read the thread" reply... I've just got done reading the thread in it's entirety. I know why you don't like it.. I just don't care about your view of PC gaming). I wouldn't care if Quantum Break was coming to Steam, and I also don't care that it isn't. Is that a stance I'm not actually allowed to have now?
So by this logic, is Steam not a true competitor to UPlay, seeing as it differentiates itself in ways beyond just price?
They can't provide Steam keys without listing the game on Steam for Valve to also sell... which defeats the main purpose of them porting these games from the console in the first place... to drive people to their store rather than everyone simply ignore it in favor of Steam.
I suppose not, the latest was FFXIV (before that I couldn't tell you) but I don't think that particular game applies here.
That's great insight and a good foundation to understand why there are some passionate opinions on this topic. Seriously, thanks.
GhostTrick
Banned
The Windows 10 Store as a means to buy and install Windows 10 software is fine, even for Quantum Break, what would need to change is the seemingly mandatory sandboxing of games released on it.
Actually having customer service and integration into the Xbox ecosystem.
Night Angel
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This thread makes me sad, much like the recent thread about how Ubi sees more value from Xbone owners than PS4 owners. People read the title and nothing else, shitpost some nonsense, and fly away to another thread where they will undoubtedly shitpost again.
Usually threads can move forward as the shitposts only spatter the thread lightly, much like a busy intersection in the city. This thread, though, and the other I mentioned, have been similar to bat caves, where the poor explorers seeking discussion are instead mired knee-deep in the guano of clowns who couldn't be bothered to read the goddamn thread and just feel the need to share their ignorance with the world.
This move from MS is pretty well in line with their prior attempts at entering the PC market (that is, try to lock it down with little regard to the consumer experience). I have little faith that the myriad changes they need to make an actually competitive marketplace will actually happen given their track record. If I get QB, it will be heavily discounted.
Usually threads can move forward as the shitposts only spatter the thread lightly, much like a busy intersection in the city. This thread, though, and the other I mentioned, have been similar to bat caves, where the poor explorers seeking discussion are instead mired knee-deep in the guano of clowns who couldn't be bothered to read the goddamn thread and just feel the need to share their ignorance with the world.
This move from MS is pretty well in line with their prior attempts at entering the PC market (that is, try to lock it down with little regard to the consumer experience). I have little faith that the myriad changes they need to make an actually competitive marketplace will actually happen given their track record. If I get QB, it will be heavily discounted.
You should be banned for a week for caring about not being allowed to care that the game isn't coming to Steam.
;P
biglittleps
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Stil its better than nothing as they never intended to release this game to PC, but now doing it because they want to push their Windows 10 platform with this game and other exclusives as a system seller.
Night Angel
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Great contribution. That's exactly what's going on.
Keep piling on the shit. There's room yet before we drown in it. Now where's that super appropriate Dick Justice quote?
OnionPowder
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They definitely had it planned for PC for quite a while. Sam Lake has talked about it last year in a GameInformer interview and it's out same day as the console version.
It's great that it's coming to PC, but Microsoft has some issues with the Windows 10 store they need to work out outside of this release. Especially if they plan on releasing their titles there exclusively.
You're misreading the situation there, cowboy.
GhostTrick
Banned
The Xbox ecosystem is outdated compared to the Steam one. As for customer service, sure it might be a problem when you run into an issue.
But I doubt it counterbalance the communities, the workshop, the big picture mode, the library management.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
What I don't understand is people thinking of this in a positive light?
I mean you do realize that (apart from GoG) people have invested a lot of time and money over the past decade building a sizable library of games on Steam. Friends are there, cards and achievements earned are there, community all nestled into one nice place.
Not to mention: Offline Mode, Automatic Patching, Steam Workshop, Third-Party Distribution Support, Big Picture Mode, Greenlight, Steam Holiday Sales, In home streaming etc....
It really shouldn't be difficult to understand why people get pissed when we have to deal with GFWL 10 which has already proved not popular at all.
If they can give us the option of having a Steam key as well, then all is good.
I mean you do realize that (apart from GoG) people have invested a lot of time and money over the past decade building a sizable library of games on Steam. Friends are there, cards and achievements earned are there, community all nestled into one nice place.
Not to mention: Offline Mode, Automatic Patching, Steam Workshop, Third-Party Distribution Support, Big Picture Mode, Greenlight, Steam Holiday Sales, In home streaming etc....
It really shouldn't be difficult to understand why people get pissed when we have to deal with GFWL 10 which has already proved not popular at all.
If they can give us the option of having a Steam key as well, then all is good.
This is a myth. Atari sells the Steam version of Riddick exclusively on GameStop, and the likes of A Hat in Time and Kingdom Come aren't Early Access titles. There are even some Steam games that are exclusive to retail, such as the various region-specific versions of Football Manager.
GhostTrick
Banned
Thus far iirc there have been fewer security fuck ups too.
Night Angel
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I probably did, and if so, I apologize. Reading the last 8 pages has put me in a state.
Sorry about that. Guess our friend Dick was talking about me.
Would be interesting to see all this energy go into some organized feedback. If it's clear and loud enough I think they'll respond, especially considering how many things they've addressed on the Xbox One over the last few years. Maybe they start to make their games/apps that support certain features? I think things like modding are likely out of the question, but supporting things like SLI, other controllers, and performance analysis overlays seem pretty reasonable. Of course, that in addition to asking for a Steam release lol
Maybe someone should start a new thread, or someone can put these things into the Xbox for Windows 10 feedback section and at least get some votes going for it and have something to point to when people reach out to Spencer. IDK, trying to be productive...
Ah ok, I didn't know that.
Then I guess the only real issue here would be that there wouldn't be a way to sell a UWP app via Steam, as Valve wouldn't be able to distribute it.
GhostTrick
Banned
You mean, one cache problem in many years ?
Really, Steam is far from perfect, but lets be fair, none of the other solutions come close.
The issue is the nature of UWA games itself. Had Microsoft offered the ability to install the game not sandboxed there wouldn't be a problem.
I mean a legitimate security failure.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
I probably did, and if so, I apologize. Reading the last 8 pages has put me in a state.
Sorry about that. Guess our friend Dick was talking about me.
You could say that you just got.....dick slapped
GhostTrick
Banned
Bolivar687
Banned
Works for me.
The one where random people got to see:
Account name and associated e-mail
Last two digits of card numbers or entire Paypal e-mail address
Wallet balance, purchase history and games owned
Home address registered for purchases
Steam Guard status
Night Angel
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Because people keep misinterpreting the concern held by others about how this is going down. It's like a terrible merry-go-round.
The Windows Store is full of useless trash. Try searching for your cabe companies app, you'll find someone trying to sell you one, but they won't have anything to do with that company. I have been in the Fable beta since it launched, and it took me 6 months to be able to play it, because Microsoft forgot that a lot of people use small drives for their OS. They finally allowed you to select which drive a game installs to, but it's too little to late for me. I lost any interest I had in giving them a chance when they basically showed me they don't give a shit. Coupled with the RotTR issues I've seen, I'm not giving them another chance here. Microsoft is worried about getting their app numbers up to a competitive level, that is their priority. They could care less about quaility, or QA.
Kurt Russell
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Easy, most posters didn't read the thread, and the ones who did don't really care about it but post stuff like "you should thank microsoft for buckling the trend of trying to be good towards the customer because it's killing gaming"
(I'm obviously not talking about the people who's been trying to show people the problems with Win 10 Store gaming apps)