8-Bit Sunset
Banned
Better yet just give us the option of activating on Steam and Steam workshop integration etc.. and there are no problems!
Win-win for all.
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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Better yet just give us the option of activating on Steam and Steam workshop integration etc.. and there are no problems!
Win-win for all.
Read the thread.
EndersAres
Neo Member
I don't mind buying stuff at the source but I hope they improve the store and all the problems it has with essential PC gaming stuff that people have been mentioning. The store itself doesn't look like it belongs to a billion dollar corporation. It's just a pain to look at and browse.
What did you lose all your games for window live you mean? They don't exist because the service shut down? If so, Steam is going to be a pain when it sinks one day. Physical media is kind of the best thing to trust if you are afriad of giving up libraries.
Aztechnology
Member
How is putting the game on Steam a win win for all? Microsoft whole point in this is to further establish their first party titles on their own service. A shit service, but their service nonetheless.
GhostTrick
Banned
They dont exist because MS stopped providing downloads. As for Steam, its not going anywhere for now. And it still allows you to download games not sold on the store anymore. Which isnt granted for W10 store.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I don't think there's that much people who won't buy it just because it's not on Steam, they're certainly same people who're going to do that but I think most people that are interested in the game end won't buy it because of the Windows store is either because they're won't be able to do things that they're now accustomed to or they don't trust this new attempt at going for the PC market from MS after GFWL.
Which are perfectly valid reason in my opinion.
Say you're a netflix customer, there's this new movie that released exclusively on this new streaming service, you're interest in it but this streaming service does not allow instant resume and continuing the movie where you left of on any the device you want, is it really that weird to find that some people won't be interested in subscribing to it?
Complaining about problems with the store is one thing. Bitching and moaning it's not on Steam is another.
I remember people complaining about Steam, Origin and all other digital stores. It will get better over time.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
It's a win for their customers who they promised to listen to in response to the way they messed up with GFWL.
Surely they are going to listen the the majority and learn from past mistakes. And not only take into consideration their own interests? <- sarcasm
I have no hesitations getting my games from other services from steam ever. The problem is how they don't let the games be how they are on any other platform ever, instead they are shitty apps. Many people use lots of different tweaks to get games working to their liking, treating PC as a console is horrible.Especially with a game like Quantum Break that has demanding requirements there are so many different configurations of computers out there that you can't treat it like a console, the freedom for the user to make it work on their end is necessary. Lots of people like using rivatuner to help get a smooth 30 fps when they want to keep high settings and can't achieve 60 fps. That's not possible with these apps. For me the deal breaker is I won't be able to use my steam controller which has become my absolute favorite controller, which works with pretty much everything even decades old game, and it just won't be possible to use it because of how backwards the Windows 10 store is.
So that's why I won't be buying Quantum Break until it gets much much cheaper when I would've bought it day one full price from the windows store if they actually handled games normally.
Not even to mention simple things like ReShade don't even work, and GeDoSaTo to bump up to crazy high resolutions for beautiful screenshots that only serve to better promote games to people. I'm not even too informed on all other problems I'm sure the games being treated as apps creates but I'm sure the list goes on and I just have no desire to get a game from the Windows store. The sad thing is, if they just built a better store that I would have a good experience using I would buy games from them in a heartbeat. It's like what stuck with me when Valve addressed piracy on PC by saying they believe customers will come when you provide a pleasurable experience that's greater than pirating, people will happily pay for games, and they were very right. If only Microsoft could do that and not create such a frustrating user experience
I'm sure some console guy will say I'm just butthurt its not on steam, but whatever it's more about them still not understanding PC gaming, and many console gamers don't either.
So that's why I won't be buying Quantum Break until it gets much much cheaper when I would've bought it day one full price from the windows store if they actually handled games normally.
Not even to mention simple things like ReShade don't even work, and GeDoSaTo to bump up to crazy high resolutions for beautiful screenshots that only serve to better promote games to people. I'm not even too informed on all other problems I'm sure the games being treated as apps creates but I'm sure the list goes on and I just have no desire to get a game from the Windows store. The sad thing is, if they just built a better store that I would have a good experience using I would buy games from them in a heartbeat. It's like what stuck with me when Valve addressed piracy on PC by saying they believe customers will come when you provide a pleasurable experience that's greater than pirating, people will happily pay for games, and they were very right. If only Microsoft could do that and not create such a frustrating user experience
I'm sure some console guy will say I'm just butthurt its not on steam, but whatever it's more about them still not understanding PC gaming, and many console gamers don't either.
What makes Steam ever lasting? Say they make a huge gamble, Gabe or whoever is in charge goes Konami. Whole thing becomes VR porn site or something. Downloads don't last. I see stuff removed from Steam. Some downloads can't even be redownloaded. Just look at PT.
GhostTrick
Banned
Did you even read what I wrote ??
Stuff removed from Steam can still be downloaded. Period. This has nothing to do witH PT. Heck, games removed years ago can be downloaded.
How can you even defend MS on that crap ??
Gemüsepizza
Member
So many short-sighted posts in here. Don't you guys realise that this could be the beginning of a new era? Microsoft brings one of their biggest Xbox exclusives to PC, and the release is the same day as the Xbox One version. The fact that they don't just release the game on Steam but on their own store means, that there is a very real chance that future Xbox One games will also be available on their store. This should be a reason to celebrate, this is fucking big. But instead people are blaming Microsoft for not taking a 30% hit on the Steam store, smh. Also, this is their first own AAA release on the Windows Store. I'm pretty confident that they will deal with some of the current limitations of the store, because I'm pretty sure releasing such massive games wasn't their plan when creating the store.
Yeah sorry, but when Durante's position basically is, that he prefers devs making shitty PC ports, if only he can "fix" them, instead of having industry giants like Microsoft embrace a new PC strategy, where they let their top men work on PC ports, then I just can't take him serious in this matter.
Yeah sorry, but when Durante's position basically is, that he prefers devs making shitty PC ports, if only he can "fix" them, instead of having industry giants like Microsoft embrace a new PC strategy, where they let their top men work on PC ports, then I just can't take him serious in this matter.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
Gemüsepizza;195190604 said:
30% cut of a huge number of sales vs 100% of a handful of sales!
CharmingCharlie
Member
The difference is that Microsoft have already shut down one digital distribution service whereas Steam has yet to shut down. Now why should I trust Microsoft with yet another digital distribution service when they have already shown they have no problem killing it if it doesn't "bring in the numbers". ?
Now I imagine the same would be true for Steam if it got shut down and then tried to come back. People would be posting "why should we trust Valve this time ?" Valve still has the customers trust whereas Microsoft took the customers trust and shat all over it and now they want you to come back for second helpings.
demigod
Member
Lol, the joke is on ya'll. might want to click those quotes.
So much for apologists clamoring about MS caring for pc gamers and that releasing xbox exclusives on PC meant more money to create new IPs. This was just their way to get suckers to use their craptastic Windows store. Enjoy your GFWL 2.
As much as i dislike Steam, its the only pc digital store i'll buy my games on because i know it'll be there 10 years from now. F U Square Enix.
Will it really? Their other digital store existed for a decade and never got better. In fact, it only got worse.
GhostTrick
Banned
Gemüsepizza;195190604 said:
Or maybe you didnt read what Durante said ?
Sure, I should celebrate lol. You're the one calling people shortsighted ?
Let me refresh your memory my good friend.
Gears of War came to PC. Halo 2 came to PC. Fable came to PC. With GFWL, Microsoft brought big Xbox exclusives to PC.
This was "fucking big". GFWL is dead. If you bought their games on their store, you lost everything. If you bought these games on Steam, you can still play them.
Now... Years laters, Microsoft brings Xbox exclusives to PC again. And we should celebrate again, because this time, we cant get them on a reliable service. And on a worse storefront than GFWL.
And.. People complaining are shortsighted ?
You can't use Steam controller on Xbox Live games for Windows? I think you are wrong. I could have swarn Steam Controller works with everything. Try using it on Solitaire and Candy Crush. You just can't tweak it to have gyro or something minor. Could be wrong, havn't experimented it with many non-Steam apps.I have no hesitations getting my games from other services from steam ever. The problem is how they don't let the games be how they are on any other platform ever, instead they are shitty apps. Many people use lots of different tweaks to get games working to their liking, treating PC as a console is horrible.Especially with a game like Quantum Break that has demanding requirements there are so many different configurations of computers out there that you can't treat it like a console, the freedom for the user to make it work on their end is necessary. Lots of people like using rivatuner to help get a smooth 30 fps when they want to keep high settings and can't achieve 60 fps. That's not possible with these apps. For me the deal breaker is I won't be able to use my steam controller which has become my absolute favorite controller, which works with pretty much everything even decades old game, and it just won't be possible to use it because of how backwards the Windows 10 store is.
So that's why I won't be buying Quantum Break until it gets much much cheaper when I would've bought it day one full price from the windows store if they actually handled games normally.
Not even to mention simple things like ReShade don't even work, and GeDoSaTo to bump up to crazy high resolutions for beautiful screenshots that only serve to better promote games to people. I'm not even too informed on all other problems I'm sure the games being treated as apps creates but I'm sure the list goes on and I just have no desire to get a game from the Windows store. The sad thing is, if they just built a better store that I would have a good experience using I would buy games from them in a heartbeat. It's like what stuck with me when Valve addressed piracy on PC by saying they believe customers will come when you provide a pleasurable experience that's greater than pirating, people will happily pay for games, and they were very right. If only Microsoft could do that and not create such a frustrating user experience
I'm sure some console guy will say I'm just butthurt its not on steam, but whatever it's more about them still not understanding PC gaming, and many console gamers don't either.
lol the @ Microsoft Defense Force. A lot of people aren't fans of Windows 10. And the half-bakedness of how how desktop games are working on GFWL 2.0 are pretty worthy reasons to be sceptical. Not only Steam has the trust of the PC gamer, their have friends and such on their eco-system and the features that none of the alternative PC game platfroms offer. Origin is probably the best competitor to Steam at the moment and it still is way, way behind. You have to give some credit to Valve in how they've got people's loyalty with their service without tying games to their platform.
Kssio_Aug
Member
It's not hardly a competition. MS App store is competing against Steam gaming wise, period. And their intentions with their app store is much bigger than GFWL. Except if they give up the smartphone and tablets support, there's absolutely no reason to believe they will just close their App Store. And Windows 10 is a platform to adapt in all these devices, so I can't see they just ditching it as they did with GFWL.
Also, GFWL was one case! I'm not defending what they did, but Sony can close their PSN store, Valve can close their Steam store, Ubisoft can close Uplay, EA can close Origin and so on... it all depends on the way the industry is heading at, even if some things feels so unlikely now. Again, I'm not defending what MS did with GFWL, but buying digital stuff is always a risk in that regard, we don't own what we buy there.
People talk about GFWL as it was the exactly same case of Microsoft new store, which is not.
It sucks their apps doesn't support 3rd parties apps such as those some users said in the 1st page of this thread, however I think it was kind of obvious that MS would want to keep some of their games on their own store to push it and try give it more recognition.
In the end, I'm all about the possibilities an open platform such as PC can offer. Just choose whatever you want, spend your money in whichever service you think is the best. Thank god we can choose to use Steam or Windows App Store, or both, or none! That's the beauty of a PC.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Again, short-sighted view. Yes, sales for this game might not be as huge compared to a release on Steam. But this is about a long-term strategy. People will adjust to it, and sales will be higher with future releases. This isn't just a one-off release. This is the start of a new strategy. They will very likely release more games in the future. It would be madness to not use those games to establish their own store as a serious choice for games.
What? I am talking about Microsoft games on the Windows Store. Because that is what this is about. Microsoft wants to sell their games on the Windows Store.
Backlogger
Member
Though it should be about selling games, not stores. I won't ever buy a game on W10 store unless its some kind of cross buy promotion or super low price.
They should just put the game on all PC stores. Let gamers choose where they want to buy their games.
Seems like their way is still lost with PC gaming with pushing W10 store on us. No thanks.
It's funny that you think Steam is interested in that.
My point is, why trust digital from any distribution if it could just shut down? Windows game services have been around longer than Steams. You want to just add mountains of games to your Steam list till it gets to 1000 and have that go erased? If I bought 2 or 3 games on Xbox 1 and got a 2nd copy on PC, at least I get a console backup. If both go down, then I go hard copy media for life.
TheAdmiester
Member
Gemüsepizza;195190604 said:
I've never seen a point missed so badly in my life. This might be the dumbest sentence I've ever seen.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Could this extend to indie games as well? A game like Cuphead only released on Windows?
Gemüsepizza
Member
You can't possibly be serious? Don't you see the difference in what's happening right now? This is a same-day release of one of their biggest exclusives. This has nothing to do with games like Halo 2, which came to PC 3 years after the Xbox release. This is huge.
GhostTrick
Banned
You're right, that's actually worse than GFWL, since at least GFWL didnt turned your games into smartphone apps.
You said it isnt good if PC became a Valve console, Microsoft wants to turn it into a Microsoft tablet.
The beauty of PC isnt fragmentation all over the place and unreliable services.
GFWL wasnt one case. It was THE case. Its the exact SAME publisher saying "we screwed up, but we're back" while at the same time, cutting the possibility to redownload your games.
When Steam is the only way to redownload your GFWL Microsoft games, it pretty much tells how Microsoft fucked up.
If you bought Fable 3 on Steam, you can still download it and play it despite being a GFWL game. If you bought it on the GFWL store... You cant anymore.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
Future looking bright for Remedy and that Alan Wake sequel!
Gemüsepizza;195191774 said:
No they won't!
Indeed it is:
They are proving that they don't listen to the PC community.
Fool me once etc....
Yes The original GFWL, Windows 8 and Windows phone really worked out really well for Microsoft.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
I was only ever expecting Windows 10 anyway. Not surprised.
Gemüsepizza;195191774 said:
Yes, it's the start of their strategy to get back the keys to the kingdom. They want full control over the platform. They want a closed system. This goes against everything that has made PC gaming what it is today. I can only hope people aren't so naive to embrace it.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
It makes total sense why they wouldn't want to give Valve a 30% cut, but they need to get their shit in order. I don't trust them after GFWL and I don't see how anybody could.
Maybe it'll work in a barebones sort of way but I'm not sure you'll be able to create a good configuration to use which is necessary for any complex game if you can't add them as a non-steam game which is what I've read. I haven't upgraded to Windows 10 yet because my 8.1 is not eligible so if someone knows how the steam controller works with maybe Tomb Raider from the windows store, it'd be nice to know.
So if Steam changes their name to ticklemeelmo.com I can still redownload media off their servers?
GhostTrick
Banned
Gemüsepizza;195192338 said:
Yes, I see the difference. Its worse. But praise Spencer ! They're throwing a bone at us.
Kssio_Aug
Member
People complaining here is not their main targeted audience anyway. Most people will not care to buy a game in MS digital store if they are interested in a game released there. Lots of players doesn't feel obliged to mod their games or use fraps and alike either.
GhostTrick
Banned
Your arguments are turning into a pile of nonsense right now. Did Microsoft closed shop ? No, they just announced a new service and you're telling me about changing names. Come on, you cant be serious.
I guess lots of players doesnt feel entitled to get guaranteed they wont lost their games.
And to be fair, considering how low the W10 Store sales will be, I dont think there's much of a main target audience.
mneuro
Member
There targeted audience for selling a PC game on PC is "PC Gamers". PC Gamers are well aware of how terrible the Tomb Raider Windows store version is. Casual Windows users aren't going to all of a sudden buy a high end game to play on their low end windows machine just because it is in the Windows store.
Gemüsepizza
Member
This is insane conspiracy drivel. Windows will never be a closed system. Never. How can you believe this?
What they are doing right now is that they want to increase their profits of the games which they already produce, and simultaneously increase the attractivity and value of their Windows/Xbox platform.
GhostTrick
Banned
Gemüsepizza;195192989 said:
How can we believe this ? UWA.
But I guess we're all entitled conspiratist.
CharmingCharlie
Member
Because steam has spent the better part of 13 years gaining peoples trust. If you bought a game from steam 13 years ago you can still re-download that game today if you want. You try and do that with one of Microsofts old game services ..... oh wait you can't. Unless I am missing something perhaps you can give me an example of a Windows game service that has been running longer than steams.
Now as you quite rightly point out Valve could shut Steam down tomorrow. But the key difference between MS and Valve is that MS has a history of doing it, which makes them more likely to do it again. On the other hand Valve has been going for 13 years and is still continuing to grow at a staggering pace.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
Gemüsepizza;195192989 said:
????
This is a matter of history repeating.
This already happened with the original GFWL!