davepoobond
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licensing is keeping poor people poor. all the poor people can become surgeons if they get rid of licensing
Republican Debate 9 [CBS News] Screw you guys, I'm going home
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licensing is keeping poor people poor. all the poor people can become surgeons if they get rid of licensing
I'm just so grossed out that every candidate went along with the notion that Obama shouldn't get to nominate Scalia's replacement. These guys talk endlessly about following the Constitution and then something like this happens and they start trying to bend it to their will. The body's not even cold yet and the entire party is already in solidarity to politicize it. What a bunch of frauds.
SEGAvangelist
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Trump said he would do it if he were Obama.
Watching the debate and the talking heads on CNN, one thing is clear: Obama needs to nominate a LIBERAL judge of his choosing, and shame the senate into pushing him through. Because the Republican party is making it very clear they're going to fiercely oppose his judge no matter who it is.
baxter2231
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Yes i noticed this last week, funny u mention that haha. Ive seen her on CNN for a long time but never really noticed till recently.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
its pretty dumb to say obama shouldn't for whatever awful reason. there's a year left in his term.
Then he said "delay, delay, delay". He acknowledged that he would do the same if he were in Obama's shoes, which is super hypocritical.
And for McConnell to say that we should wait because the American people should have a say in the nomination...we voted Obama into office twice to do exactly this.
There more clips or place I can see the "best" bits? Ill take a look at gawker.
cpp_is_king
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I don't think it's that hypocritical, he is just acknowledging that yes, both sides want what's in their best interests. He doesn't blame Obama, he would do the same thing, but he doesn't want Obama to do it, but he knows he will.
And then apologizes. L
If Trump accepts the GOP narrative that it's improper for a last-year president to nominate a justice (which I'm sure he does), then it'd be hypocritical for him to say he'd do the same.
chaosblade
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Sort of like they are the party that keeps talking up American exceptionalism and yet they are the ones saying we should settle for less.
Gordon Shumway
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Anime folks..please explain. lolThis picture was posted unironically on twitter.
Mighty Chin
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I actually felt the same way. Rubio is pure evil.
cpp_is_king
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But he didn't accept that narrative. Did you watch his response? He said "I don't want him to do it, but I know he will. And I don't blame him, I'd do it to".
I believe he even explicitly said that it's within his right (might be wrong on that point)
BadAss2961
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*blinks*
Oh wow, you're finally talking to me... Okay..................First off let me just say this..... Go to my website bencarson.com
*closes eyes*
BoboBrazil
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I'm so glad Trump is in these to call out the bullshit.
I'm not sure where he said it, but the moderator preempts his question to Trump with "You said that the president shouldn't nominate anyone in the rest of his term to replace Justice Scalia." Sounds like he accepts it!
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Trump's bullshit is just a different flavor.
japan got way into Natalia Poklonskaya, thats all I got
I'll be in my gate.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Trump looked and acted pissed much of the night. He ranged from lucid and biting, to belligerent and childish, but damn if he didn't come out the winner. He continues to make good points and support ideas and rhetoric that Republicans with a conscience know, but refuse to acknowledge:
A) W fucked up. Not just for himself, but for the country and party.
B) Even if you disagree with the abortion part of what Planned Parenthood does, they do a ton good for women's health. I heard other candidates on stage make reference to trying to support women and children while also supporting the defunding of PP... Makes absolutely no sense but in the minds of "compromise shows you are weak" Republicans.
C) Cruz and Jeb! are unlikeable losers. Cruz he called nasty and Jeb he remarked was weak and made constantly terrible judgment calls.
D) Special Interests and lobbyists are fucking swine and he makes a clear distinction between himself and Jeb/Cruz.
This race is really between Trump, Rubio, and Kasich as the outside pick. Cruz, Bush, and especially Carson are done for. I believe that a Trump presidency, while not possible in our Universe, would be better than GWB's run, if mostly because he says accurate, non-pandering things when it counts. Obviously, as a decent human being, I am pushing for Bernie, but a lot of what Trump says definitely separates himself from the lunacy of the other candidates' positions.
It is really too bad for him that he went hard on xenophobia, and bigotry in his first few months of running, since he would probably sway a lot of blue collar Democrats and independents with his rhetoric and protectionism slants. He has sold his soul to appease voters of the party and there is no way he will dial them back, period.
A) W fucked up. Not just for himself, but for the country and party.
B) Even if you disagree with the abortion part of what Planned Parenthood does, they do a ton good for women's health. I heard other candidates on stage make reference to trying to support women and children while also supporting the defunding of PP... Makes absolutely no sense but in the minds of "compromise shows you are weak" Republicans.
C) Cruz and Jeb! are unlikeable losers. Cruz he called nasty and Jeb he remarked was weak and made constantly terrible judgment calls.
D) Special Interests and lobbyists are fucking swine and he makes a clear distinction between himself and Jeb/Cruz.
This race is really between Trump, Rubio, and Kasich as the outside pick. Cruz, Bush, and especially Carson are done for. I believe that a Trump presidency, while not possible in our Universe, would be better than GWB's run, if mostly because he says accurate, non-pandering things when it counts. Obviously, as a decent human being, I am pushing for Bernie, but a lot of what Trump says definitely separates himself from the lunacy of the other candidates' positions.
It is really too bad for him that he went hard on xenophobia, and bigotry in his first few months of running, since he would probably sway a lot of blue collar Democrats and independents with his rhetoric and protectionism slants. He has sold his soul to appease voters of the party and there is no way he will dial them back, period.
The only reason his racist/sexist/xenophobic doesn't dominate headlines anymore is because we've heard it all before, none of it's new anymore, but it's still there. At this point, I don't believe that he just said all that shit to sway an extremist base; he's as batshit looney as everyone else on that stage. He's just the anti-establishment looney.
Personally i am still not convinced Trump isnt going to do just that in the general.
Not go back on things like the wall and xenophobia but certainly take a different angle.
People forget a lot of the country just flat out isnt paying attention to this stuff and Trump's base is a cult of personality bunch anyways. They will shift with him if he plays it right.
Frankly im not sure what a general election Trump will look like yet. I don't think it will be the Trump we are getting right now. At least not in terms of the far right rhetoric.
You know. I don't think Trump is half as xenophobic or racist has he sold himself to be. He is trying to sow himself into the conservative fold. I'm certain he will swing back left to a degree. I agree with all those talking points that you mentioned. Even the right knows in, but the RNC has made those things taboo to talk about. They are so out of touch.
It's hard to say if he would be better than GWB, but I could believe it. The left really loves to latch onto Trump as this bigot, and they really want to believe it. But once again I just don't buy it. He brings a completely different type of experience to the table than most people are used to. Trump does seem honestly concerned with the way he and other billionaire class moguls have been allowed to operate. He claims he never went bankrupt as a bolstering point, but he is entirely honest about the economic loopholes that he was able to take advantage of. It's crippling our economy, and policies like TPP will further contribute to our hemorrhaging jobs. I think Trump could legitimately do good for our nation. Especially with conservative congress and his general ability to influence people.
As long as we swings way back over to social liberalism, I don't think he is all that crazy of a candidate.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I really don't feel like he is. It seems like he is playing to a base. We will find out what he does if he gets the nom, but I would be surprised to hear him go that route in the general.
Kinda off topic again, but screw it.
Anyone else laugh out loud every single time this Marco Rubio ad airs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJWwJLvKC5c&index=4&list=PLvJZElnWcuy_BI0n8Qx7P-7HcvZ_lPVT1
Anyone else laugh out loud every single time this Marco Rubio ad airs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJWwJLvKC5c&index=4&list=PLvJZElnWcuy_BI0n8Qx7P-7HcvZ_lPVT1
EatinOlives
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I truly do not understand this emergent narrative that "Trump is probably not THAT racist/xenophobic because reasons". It appears that people are convincing themselves of this simply because they want it to be true, but there's nothing in Trump's demeanor and rhetoric that changes or refutes this fact. All he has done at this point is...not talk about his xenophobia and people are now tripping over themselves calling him not xenophobic.
The man has spewed so many dogwhistles it's insulting. Even more insulting to insinuate he may actually do good for the country. The man has no platform, no scruples, and no tact. He has consistently shown he's incredibly poor at handling criticism, doesn't know how to take a loss, can't help himself from throwing tantrums when he gets into feuds with groups like Fox News, throws ad hominems like a 7 year old on GameFAQs as a default debate tactic, and has a ton of shit baggage like spearheading the Obama birther issue that people are all too quick to forget.
He's every bit as bad a candidate as he's been made out to be and more. Just because he says one or two things you may agree with does not make all of these horrible qualities of his any less true. You can, in fact, admit to agree to some of the things he says while still admitting he's a terrible candidate.
He can't go back on things like the wall. That's literally the one thing he's most famous for.
At this point there has been way too many gaffes from his end that end up not costing him anything in the GOP primaries that people are convinced he can just handwave major criticisms and swing voters will be none the wiser, but that simply won't happen. He's out of his league in the general election. There is no way he can shift 90% of his rhetoric and have it magically favor him among swing voters and minorities.
chaosblade
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He practically admitted as much in his book, I've seen it quoted here on GAF several times. Exaggerate, talk crazy, get attention. He appeals to the crazies and far right while dominating the talk of the election.
Seems like a strategy that will crash and burn if/when he hits the general because the crazy rhetoric was laid out to win the primary. He either looks bad to independents by maintaining that rhetoric, or he looks bad by reversing it and effectively admitting he is just willing to say whatever it takes to get people on his side.
Or he's a plant and will gladly ruin himself in the general and watch Clinton get elected. Don't really get that impression though.
cpp_is_king
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It's interesting reading the comments on Drudge Report in the article related to Trump demolishing Jeb over WMD and the Iraq war. I would say about 90% are openly admitting that Bush was 100% wrong, and most are pointing to GWB and the Iraq war as the #1 reason why it's so hard to elect a republican president anymore.
Which is strange, because this doesn't really match up with GWB's approval ratings among conservatives which I thought were still very high.
It's crazy if you think about, GWB could very well end up being the most influential president in my lifetime. I miss the pre 9/11 days, and not because of the memory of 9/11 (although obviously I miss not having that memory), but just because of how drastically society, privacy, and everything else has changed as a result of the destablization of the Middle East... caused by GWB.
Which is strange, because this doesn't really match up with GWB's approval ratings among conservatives which I thought were still very high.
It's crazy if you think about, GWB could very well end up being the most influential president in my lifetime. I miss the pre 9/11 days, and not because of the memory of 9/11 (although obviously I miss not having that memory), but just because of how drastically society, privacy, and everything else has changed as a result of the destablization of the Middle East... caused by GWB.
100% agree, this dude is dangerous for the country.
OuterLimits
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While the party establishment type Conservatives will hate that Trump attacks the Bush family, it actually plays well with some of the base. Remember when Bush was in his last year, he was polling in the 20s. So even a bunch on the right were sick of him. Especially with the financial collapse and bailouts. Even the Tea Party was forming during that time I believe.
Obviously Trump is a more populist/nationalist candidate. Of course a more right wing Populism. He is on the right in terms of 2nd Amendment/Common Core/Taxes/healthcare . Healthcare more so in the center. His main far right position is illegal immigration. Perhaps trade as well? The far right and left are the ones opposed to TPP it seems which he is against.
Obviously Trump is a more populist/nationalist candidate. Of course a more right wing Populism. He is on the right in terms of 2nd Amendment/Common Core/Taxes/healthcare . Healthcare more so in the center. His main far right position is illegal immigration. Perhaps trade as well? The far right and left are the ones opposed to TPP it seems which he is against.
Cruz game has been to follow Trump on everything. It's funny to me that there are Cruz supporters who hate Trump because without him Cruz wouldn't have anything to talk about or any issues to fight for. Cruz is never the first guy to raise his hand, none of them are except Trump. Trump takes on everyone on stage, and the moderators, and the audience. I've never seen anyone have the guts to do that before, and he comes out the winner in most people's eyes, which is reassuring.
Karsticles
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If GWB was still loved by conservatives, JEB wouldn't be struggling so much right now.
Also, while GWB made a serious mistake in going into Iraq, 9/11 wasn't entirely his fault. We're talking decades of our nation's involvement in the Middle East that created the monsters we are dealing with now. No one President can have all of that blame.
cpp_is_king
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I know 9/11 itself wasn't his fault, but his handling of 9/11 certainly was. If 9/11 hadn't happened I don't think he would have been able to muster the support to invade iraq.
Karsticles
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No disagreement there!
lmao
Donald Trump is Glenn Beck's promised self-waterboarding come to life.
edit: oh wait, that was Sean Hannity.
I don't think that's much of a factor, positive or negative. Jeb has just proven to be a terrible campaigner. He's a slightly better version of 2012 Rick Perry. Once he started talking and getting out there, all the excitement disappeared. It became abundantly clear he wasn't ready for primetime.
Karsticles
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As much as we malign big business and their influence on politics, the one thing you can count on is business interests following the money. Tons of large corporations have backed left/progressive agendas because they know being against them will lose a large portion of their consumers (mostly young people). If Trump is a businessman, he will probably modify his message to get the most play. And he's already moving more center in preparation for the general.
It may be primarily in service of his own ego, but if the side effect is that he displays more reasonable positions and policy, just like those corporations, we still stand to benefit.
Id rather have a xenophobe who occasionally takes reasonable stands on other subjects than a xenophobe who is just as batshit crazy about everything else.
Lesser of two evils, I guess. Still voting for the Dems, but Trump really could be much better than those other clowns if he ends up making it to the end.
It may be primarily in service of his own ego, but if the side effect is that he displays more reasonable positions and policy, just like those corporations, we still stand to benefit.
Id rather have a xenophobe who occasionally takes reasonable stands on other subjects than a xenophobe who is just as batshit crazy about everything else.
Lesser of two evils, I guess. Still voting for the Dems, but Trump really could be much better than those other clowns if he ends up making it to the end.
womfalcs3
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Jeb was leading the polls at one point.
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