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[Costia]

I came across this:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/jj680085(v=vs.85).aspx

Apparently you can attach a win32 debugger to a windows store App.

 

[Caayn]

It can only move between drives not folders, so if you only have one drive it will be greyed out.

Spoiler

Unless they disabled it, it used to work prior launch and got disabled, but I though they already turned it back on. The Pc i'm on now only has one drive so I can't check

You can still move it between drives, that option is still there.

So yes, if your system has only one drive the option will appear greyed out. If your system has multiple drives the option will become available.

 

[Ricerocket]

I came across this:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/jj680085(v=vs.85).aspx

Apparently you can attach a win32 debugger to a windows store App.

All it does is close or resume a W10 store app. What's so special about it?

 

[CyberPunked]

"Sooo huuuuh... QB on W10 is a Windows store exclusive"

They're gonna wait a couple of months

Spoiler

enough for the game to tank on PC

and release a non-W10 version on Steam. And say they "listened to feedback".

It will still require windows 10, it's a DX12 game after all.

 

[Costia]

All it does is close or resume a W10 store app. What's so special about it?

No. It can attach WinDbg to the process. One of the exapmles there:

plmdebug /enableDebug MyApp_1.0.0.0_x64__tnq5r49etfg3c "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.0\Debuggers\x64\WinDbg.exe"

It still doesn't mean you can do whatever you want. But it suggests you might be able to do some editing at runtime. This requires more tinkering and checking.

 

[prudislav]

I came across this:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/jj680085(v=vs.85).aspx

Apparently you can attach a win32 debugger to a windows store App.

would be interesting to see it tested on current UWA apps which are currently in store,
in case of RotTR it might not be possible even if it works as I am pretty sure that even Win10 Store version has Denuvo ATT

 

[Genio88]

The only think i don't like about QB on Windows Store is that the game can't be preordered and predownloaded like on Xbox One, if i remember correctly Tomb Raider was available on Windows Store only on release date, due to my bad connection it's gonna take some time to download 60GB so i could end up playing it later than day one.

 

[Ninja Sharingan]

Yeah this is a huge concern and a really glaring oversight if it turns out the game cant be moved to a different drive. Its gonna fuck over alot of SSD owners if true. All the other shit i can deal with but this is a deal breaker

Yup. Just looking at it and I can make room but still, You should be able to choose where the game/app is installed.

 

[Genio88]

Yup. Just looking at it and I can make room but still, You should be able to choose where the game/app is installed.

Are you still talking about that? You can install Windows Store Apps wherever you want with WIndows 10, just go to Settings-System-Storage and choose where do you want Windows to install Apps, choose your Hard Drive, SSD, Micro SD, USB key, Floppy or whatever then go to the store buy the game and it will be installed there

 

[CSJ]

Are you still talking about that? You can install Windows Store Apps wherever you want with WIndows 10, just go to Settings-System-Storage and choose where do you want Windows to install Apps, choose your Hard Drive, SSD, Micro SD, USB key, Floppy or whatever then go to the store buy the game and it will be installed install there

I don't use 10 but isn't the option you're talking about greyed out and not selectable?
Edit: Okay it was before I posted, what did you change?

 

[Genio88]

I don't use 10 but isn't the option you're talking about greyed out and not selectable?
Edit: Okay it was before I posted, what did you change?

I changed cause that image was from a early version of Windows 10 preview where you couldn't decide where to install Apps, but now instead you can
PS:that's not my desktop, just a image from internet, but i know you can do it cause i already do that on my PC and Surface Pro 4 where i can install apps even on micro SD

 

[ussjtrunks]

So guys does the disk copy of the game on xbox one come with a code for the windows store version or just the digital xbox one copy?

 

[Zedox]

So guys does the disk copy of the game on xbox one come with a code for the windows store version or just the digital xbox one copy?

Just digital preorder.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Of course it would be, I'd be surprised if anyone legitimately thought otherwise.

 

[Bluth54]

"Sooo huuuuh... QB on W10 is a Windows store exclusive"

They're gonna wait a couple of months

Spoiler

enough for the game to tank on PC

and release a non-W10 version on Steam. And say they "listened to feedback".

Yeah the way he says it is kinda weird, it makes me wonder if a non windows 10 version will eventually come to Steam.

 

[Genio88]

So guys does the disk copy of the game on xbox one come with a code for the windows store version or just the digital xbox one copy?

From Remedy web site
"Every Xbox One Quantum Break pre-order made through the Xbox Store or participating retailers will get you a download code for the Windows 10 version of Quantum Break and Xbox One backwards compatible version of Alan Wake’s American Nightmare"
Perhaps even if you preorder the disk copy but from a retailer which partecipate in this promotion, not sure if are already known the ones who partecipate though

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

as someone who uses gog galaxy, battle.net, steam, origin, and uplay without caring. W10 store is the first one I dont want to get into. I dont like having my games distribution service handcuffed to my OS

 

[LordRaptor]

If they're trying to become a dominant player in the pc webstore space, this would be their logical next step, moneyhat to get the next big pc game exclusive to their webstore, this has always been their mo, it's only a matter of them not having enough leverage to do it yet, because steam is so dominant.

Yeah, which is really weird that there are people championing this because "more competition against steam is a good thing", when an end game of UWA being the only place to play games is literally the end of any possible competition by anyone.

Its not like MS are the plucky underdog here, versus the big bad monopolistic corporation with a track record of abusive and predatory business practices and lost antitrust lawsuits.

 

[Nostremitus]

You'll be happy to know Alan Wake supported 21:9.

Good to know, but I wasn't talking specifically about Quantum Break when I brought up the issue. Its good to know that it will probably have the support, but that doesn't say anything about future games from other devs.

 

[mike4001_]

Are you still talking about that? You can install Windows Store Apps wherever you want with WIndows 10, just go to Settings-System-Storage and choose where do you want Windows to install Apps, choose your Hard Drive, SSD, Micro SD, USB key, Floppy or whatever then go to the store buy the game and it will be installed there

And just to clarify

This was enabled with the Threshold 2 update last November.

In the original Windows 10 release in June it was greyed out due to not being bug-free.

 

[tiredheadcrab]

I think the no SLI/Crossfire issue isnt a feature they are missing but rather a feature that needs to be applied to the app itself. If there was an update that fixes this and it doesnt get to everyone who owns the game through Windows 10, thats MS's fault. I cant comment on the downloader because, well I only downloaded Tweetium and its a small app.

No system overlays or monitors like Afterburner or Shadow play is weird as well. There will probably be fixes for those however. I wonder if someone with a bit more expertise can post about what MS can allow for games that are running via Windows store and DX12.

Should see what TB port report is when the game is released.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

RUMOUR: Thought this might be the best place to post this, seen on Twitter earlier this morning. Gears 4 and Forza 6 coming to W10.

New rumors about Microsoft's gaming plans for Windows 10 claim that the company is planning to release a version of its Xbox One racing sim Forza Motorsport 6 for the PC OS as an exclusive for the Windows Store.

According to WPDang, this is all part of Microsoft's strategy to beef up its Windows 10 game efforts, with the Windows Store as the exclusive outlet. In addition to Forza Motorsport 6, the site claims, via unnamed sources, that Gears of War 4 might also be released for Windows 10 in addition to Xbox One, along with Scalebound. It also mentions a previously unannounced game, Forza Horizon 3, as coming to both Xbox One and Windows 10.

Microsoft announced last week that Quantum Break will be released for Windows 10 on April 5, the same day as the Xbox One version, with pre-orders for the console game getting the Windows 10 version for free. The company also announced in 2015 that the Xbox One games Gears of War Ultimate Edition, ReCore, Halo Wars 2 and Killer Instinct will all be coming to Windows 10 at some point.

http://www.windowscentral.com/forza...-windows-10?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter

Looks like MS are going to make the shift and put the majority of their first party offerings onto the PC, I wonder if they will also be W10 exclusive ... lol

 

[R3TRO]

Thought this might be the best place to post this, seen on Twitter earlier this morning. Gears 4 and Forza 6 coming to W10.



http://www.windowscentral.com/forza...-windows-10?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter

Looks like MS are going to make the shift and put the majority of their first party offerings onto the PC, I wonder if they will also be W10 exclusive ... lol

Forza 6! Aww hell yeah.

 

[Ninja Sharingan]

Are you still talking about that? You can install Windows Store Apps wherever you want with WIndows 10, just go to Settings-System-Storage and choose where do you want Windows to install Apps, choose your Hard Drive, SSD, Micro SD, USB key, Floppy or whatever then go to the store buy the game and it will be installed there

Excellent thanks for the heads up dude! Didn't know this.

 

[afternoon delight]

Looks like MS are going to make the shift and put the majority of their first party offerings onto the PC, I wonder if they will also be W10 exclusive ... lol

I'd bet they would be and again, this shit is GFWL 2.0. Didn't we just last year rid Dark Souls of it? Aren't there several titles with it still implemented?

I just reinstalled Halo 1 and it keeps prompting you to install GameSpy connect software lolol

 

[derFeef]

Are you still talking about that? You can install Windows Store Apps wherever you want with WIndows 10, just go to Settings-System-Storage and choose where do you want Windows to install Apps, choose your Hard Drive, SSD, Micro SD, USB key, Floppy or whatever then go to the store buy the game and it will be installed there

Yeah but that puts all Apps, not specific ones onto one DRIVE, and not subfolders, right?

 

[OléGunner]

RUMOUR: Thought this might be the best place to post this, seen on Twitter earlier this morning. Gears 4 and Forza 6 coming to W10.

http://www.windowscentral.com/forza...-windows-10?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter

Looks like MS are going to make the shift and put the majority of their first party offerings onto the PC, I wonder if they will also be W10 exclusive ... lol

Hmm yup seems like they are going all in.

At this point its clear they are trying to make Windows 10 store shine as much as possible and make a greater ROI their 1st party stuff.

Gears 4 day one on PC will sure make a lot of folks happy.

 

[Afro]

RUMOUR: Thought this might be the best place to post this, seen on Twitter earlier this morning. Gears 4 and Forza 6 coming to W10.



http://www.windowscentral.com/forza...-windows-10?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter

Looks like MS are going to make the shift and put the majority of their first party offerings onto the PC, I wonder if they will also be W10 exclusive ... lol

Thread worthy?

 

[Zojirushi]

Yeah but that puts all Apps, not specific ones onto one DRIVE, and not subfolders, right?

Yeah it creates a bunch of folders right at the root of the drive. It's the fucking worst.

 

[wapplew]

Thread worthy?

Enough great Eco system thread for a week.

 

[derFeef]

Yeah it creates a bunch of folders right at the root of the drive. It's the fucking worst.

Ugh then thanks but no thanks. I have a dedicated SSD for my games - I do not want system stuff on that and a bunch of crap.

 

[prudislav]

RUMOUR: Thought this might be the best place to post this, seen on Twitter earlier this morning. Gears 4 and Forza 6 coming to W10.



http://www.windowscentral.com/forza...-windows-10?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter

Looks like MS are going to make the shift and put the majority of their first party offerings onto the PC, I wonder if they will also be W10 exclusive ... lol

Interesting news if true, have no problems of it being Win10 exlusive , but WinStore (UWA) exclusivity is just dealbreaker for me with its current anti-mod and anti-injectors state (unless it will be normal x86 apps instead of UWA).... but maybe one day there will be superior pirate version without the issues of Win10 store (like it is now in case of GfWL)

 

[Moonstone]

Yeah but that puts all Apps, not specific ones onto one DRIVE, and not subfolders, right?

As is says "new apps will be installed to" I think you could install the general crap on C: - then switch to your SSD and install the new game there.

Don't know if you can move it later somehow ...? When I had just a small 128GB SSD I usually moved one game to the SSD. Deleting should work, though.

 

[mrklaw]

Yeah this is a huge concern and a really glaring oversight if it turns out the game cant be moved to a different drive. Its gonna fuck over alot of SSD owners if true. All the other shit i can deal with but this is a deal breaker

How recently did steam add multiple drive support? Before that you had to install everything in one place until steam mover came along to help.

Software development isn't a fixed thing. Hopefully MS will update the store to support multiple drives. For now at least you can select where to install everything, even if that isn't as granular as you'd like.

 

[aeolist]

How recently did steam add multiple drive support? Before that you had to install everything in one place until steam mover came along to help.

Software development isn't a fixed thing. Hopefully MS will update the store to support multiple drives. For now at least you can select where to install everything, even if that isn't as granular as you'd like.

symlinks have always worked with steam, even if there wasn't a user-friendly GUI for it.

which highlights the advantage of the open PC platform as opposed to microsoft's mobile-like UWA. having access to the folder structure and being able to use useful command line functions can add a lot of value for the people who want and need them.

 

[derFeef]

As is says "new apps will be installed to" I think you could install the general crap on C: - then switch to your SSD and install the new game there.

Don't know if you can move it later somehow ...? When I had just a small 128GB SSD I usually moved one game to the SSD. Deleting should work, though.

I will try that out with the Gigantic Beta today.

 

[mike4001_]

What I was asking myself.

It´s the exclusive sale via their Windows store the only possibility to sell the game at console-level prices and therefore cut out the cheap steam prices?

We all know that Microsoft makes the money through games and not consoles, so actually it is the only way to continue that trend in supporting both Xbox One and PC and get reventue from both systems.

 

[aeolist]

I will try that out with the Gigantic Beta today.

wait is gigantic a store exclusive?

shame if so, i was looking forward to it

 

[JaseC]

What I was asking myself.

It´s the exclusive sale via their Windows store the only possibility to sell the game at console-level prices and therefore cut out the cheap steam prices?

We all know that Microsoft makes the money through games and not consoles, so actually it is the only way to continue that trend in supporting both Xbox One and PC and get reventue from both systems.

There would be nothing preventing MS from making the game USD$60 worldwide. The SPD frontend does automatically recommend prices for other regions based on conversion rates set by Valve, but that's all they are -- recommendations, not requirements. A flat USD$60 price would be exceedingly stupid, of course, since it'd make the game prohibitively expensive in regions such as Eastern Europe, but the route is nonetheless one MS could take if it were so inclined. Additionally, all gift purchases in certain regions are restricted, so even if Quantum Break were to appear on Steam RU at 499 rubles, a gift copy sent to someone in, say, the US, would effectively be useless.

There'd also be nothing preventing MS from never, ever discounting the game. Quite a few games on Steam haven't been discounted in years (e.g. Tunnel Rats, the video game tie-in to Uwe Boll's film of the same name).

 

[Genio88]

Yeah but that puts all Apps, not specific ones onto one DRIVE, and not subfolders, right?

Not all apps, just the ones you download after you change it, if you want to download just Quantum Break on another drive you just change it before downloading the game, and after you're done you go there and change the location again, then yes you can't choose a specific folder where to install it, but why would you need to do that?
And besides all that, in Windows 10 you can also easily move Apps that are installed in a disk to another, for example if you install Quantum Break on Hard Disk but then you decide to move it to the SSD cause the loadings would be faster or anything, you can just go to Settings-System-Storage on top of that page it shows you all the storage disks you have on your PC, select the one where you have the game installed, then click on App and Games and it'll show a list of all the games and app installed, just click on Quantum Break and then select Move to move the game from the Hard Disk to the SSD

 

[vasametropolis]

Not all apps, just the ones you download after you change it, if you want to download just Quantum Break on another drive you just change it before downloading the game, and after you're done you go there and change the location again, then yes you can't choose a specific folder where to install it, but why would you need to do that?
And besides all that, in Windows 10 you can also easily move Apps that are installed in a disk to another, for example if you install Quantum Break on Hard Disk but then you decide to move it to the SSD cause the loadings would be faster or anything, you can just go to Settings-System-Storage on top of that page it shows you all the storage disks you have on your PC, select the one where you have the game installed, then click on App and Games and it'll show a list of all the games and app installed, just click on Quantum Break and then select Move to move the game from the Hard Disk to the SSD

Tadaaaa (?)

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Will their pre-order deal be equivalent only for Xbox buyers, or PC buyers as well? If I buy the game for PC, will I receive an Xbox One copy, or just the opposite?

 

[GhostTrick]

Will their pre-order deal be equivalent only for Xbox buyers, or PC buyers as well? If I buy the game for PC, will I receive an Xbox One copy, or just the opposite?

No. And I doubt they'd want Xbox Owners to get their 1st party games for 9 bucks on Ukrainian store hehehe

 

[JaggedSac]

RUMOUR: Thought this might be the best place to post this, seen on Twitter earlier this morning. Gears 4 and Forza 6 coming to W10.



http://www.windowscentral.com/forza...-windows-10?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter

Looks like MS are going to make the shift and put the majority of their first party offerings onto the PC, I wonder if they will also be W10 exclusive ... lol

They will be Windows Store exclusive without a doubt.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

No. And I doubt they'd want Xbox Owners to get their 1st party games for 9 bucks on Ukrainian store hehehe

Yeah, I was wondering if I would be able to buy the PC version and get the XB1 verison cheaper here in Brazil. The price tags are different for us comparing console games and PC games (console games are way more expensive).

 

[TharpDaddy]

Of course it's not coming to steam, they want to pad those window and Xbox usage numbers, usage is the new hotness.

Microsoft's whole modus operandi with Windows 10 and their devices is to get everything into a single ecosystem. Regardless of if you play a game on your desktop or your console they want you to be in the 'Xbox Ecosystem'. Even if they brought a game to Steam I have a feeling they'd want it to tie back into their own framework much like Ubisoft games launch the uplay client.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

Yeah, which is really weird that there are people championing this because "more competition against steam is a good thing", when an end game of UWA being the only place to play games is literally the end of any possible competition by anyone.

Its not like MS are the plucky underdog here, versus the big bad monopolistic corporation with a track record of abusive and predatory business practices and lost antitrust lawsuits.

Well...

It's kinda a father vs son situation. Valve Corp doesn't smell like roses either.

The primary issue this causes is it further fragments PC gaming. Instead of PC being a place where you can play whatever you want, how you want it, on the platform of choice, you have to sign up with a variety of services (depending on which games you want) and deal with the peculiarities of those services.

 

[Shifty1897]

That makes about as much sense as not selling your retail game at Walmart.

Then when it doesn't sell well they'll use this as an excuse to say that PC game sales aren't relevant.

 

[Genio88]

Well...

It's kinda a father vs son situation. Valve Corp doesn't smell like roses either.

The primary issue this causes is it further fragments PC gaming. Instead of PC being a place where you can play whatever you want, how you want it, on the platform of choice, you have to sign up with a variety of services (depending on which games you want) and deal with the peculiarities of those services.

This is true but it has to be like that, Steam so far is the most used platform where to buy and play PC games, but that doesn't mean they must be the whole PC gaming, the only place where to play on PC, they're just a company who made a service, so you can't blame Microsoft, EA or Ubisoft for trying to do their owns, instead of being submitted to Valve rules and fees, Valve which actually makes most of their money from games made by other companies...
If we have to talk about PC unification(which is very unlikely) then a Windows 10 Store would make much more sense since Windows is also the OS and Microsoft at least invest in developing first party games, unlike Valve has been doing lately

 

[abracadaver]

If we have to talk about PC unification(which is very unlikely) then a Windows 10 Store would make much more sense since Windows is also the OS and Microsoft at least invest in developing first party games, unlike Valve has been doing lately

MS will take a 30% cut of every game sold in the W10 store as well.

Why would a developer put his game on the W10 store that everyone hates and doesn't want to use instead of Steam with its 150 million potential customers?