CrankyKong
Member
it took me a while to figure out but the app 'who crashed' narrowed it down to the audio driver.
you have to uninstall it in the device manager, and if it reinstalls the blue screens come back
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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it took me a while to figure out but the app 'who crashed' narrowed it down to the audio driver.
you have to uninstall it in the device manager, and if it reinstalls the blue screens come back
Fraps is free. Dxtory is not.
Fraps is framerate counter program that added recording footage as an option.
DXTory is a recording program that you can use to show a framerate counter.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Yep, I get that; you didn't answer my question though
Can DxTory actually be made to show an overlay in-game, when it's not recording? And does this actually work for Windows Store games?
LukasTaves
Member
It's not just a matter of being possible but also focusing resources. Supporting older versions of windows would increase costs and development time. Since Ms is giving win10 for free I think not supporting older versions is the right call.
LukasTaves
Member
I've seen some reports of that, but I don't think it was confirmed due the lack of frame counting.
Wut
How is something that has a framerate counter not a framerate counter program...this feels like the twilight zone
Yep, I get that; you didn't answer my question though
Can DxTory actually be made to show an overlay in-game, when it's not recording? And does this actually work for Windows Store games?
Yes it does
Program is free if you are willing to wait for a ten second countdown after you launch it
Also fraps is not actively developed and does not officially support any os past 7...so I have no idea why we are talking about it
Hopefully NVidia can get shadowplay working soon
Nostremitus
Member
This is the problem. Designing the system to function this way was a dick move. It completely removed any semblance of control of personal property from the owner of the computer. I personally like having all of my games in a single folder with Origin, Steam, and GoG being subfolders. I also play on a 21:9 monitor and usually have to use wide-screen fixer to adjust the FOV and HUD in games to keep them from looking like shit in ultrwide. Without access to the exe, I can't do that.
I also enjoy the modding community...
Edit: unless I'm missing something...
Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure I've done some stuff to the files before to get borderless to work even in games that didn't have it in the settings.
Nope, you're not missing anything. I don't personally think its a "dick move" so to speak... but I certainly don't think these games are gonna be for you anymore than a console would.
It's not something I know a lot about, but there are utilities like Borderless Gaming that will allow for windowless fullscreen in games/applications that don't support it directly. I use it for Phantasy Star Online Blue Burst. So yea, that wouldn't work in a Windows Store app.
Sword Of Doom
Member
As an owner of a 21:9 monitor, would you be unable to play the game? Does it get stretched to fill in the monitor?
Also, not being able to use gsync and freesync is real shitty. I have the steam version of RoTR and because the SMAA in that game is broken, I had to learn how to use reshade and inject SMAA into the game. I've been messing around with it and I love being able to inject post processing into my games now.
Regarding Quantum Break, it's their game and they can do whatever they want with it. As a consumer, I can choose to support them or not. As long as they're doing this with their own games, I'm ok with it. If let's say the next AAA game by a major publisher or indie title is moneyhatted to be a Windows store exclusive on PC, that's when I'll have a major issue with it.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Has anyone actually confirmed this to be the case? If it has, just tell me and I'll shut up. However, all I've actually seen so far are suspicions.
Here's why I think it would work: the Windows Store version of Rise of the Tomb Raider responds to settings changes in nVidia Control Panel's global profile. I don't have a G-Sync display, but I can set the global profile to use adaptive V-Sync, and the game will use it. If I wanted to cap the game to 30 fps, I could set the global profile to adaptive v-sync half refresh rate, and the game will use that too.
Since the game is clearly responding to frame pacing changes imposed by nVidia's drivers, I don't see why GSync wouldn't work, on a practical level.
Huh. So it is possible for external programs to make overlays. I wonder how that works. And if overlays are possible, what's preventing you from doing post-processing?
Yeah, there's at least one program that can force it, "Borderless Window Utility" iirc. Like all of these types of programs though, it's somewhat hit-and-miss with regard to which games it supports, afaik.
Games on Steam let me edit .ini files, run overlays, etc. That's what "power" I was referring to in that post.
Nostremitus
Member
I don't know, but since it's a console port, I'm not holding out hope. If the FOV is too low I get a headache/simulation sickness trying to play. Regarding the HUD, sometimes the hud isn't displayed in 21:9 because games assume a 16:9 monitor so it just zooms in.
Fair enough, I agree with those things for sure. I can only bet on Remedy for them talking to MS and fixing those issues, them being a PC dev at mind.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
You'll be happy to know Alan Wake supported 21:9.
I have Win10 since launch and have not bought anything from. I am in the Fable Legends beta though, which runs through the Store. It could be better - liek being able to manually set an install location.
Which could be bad for QB since it'S 55GB and I don not want this on my system drive, which only has 128GB avialble.
You can't change the default install location?
MS could do a win32 DX11 version for steam, gog, origin and such. And have the DX12 version as it is (with some extras) only from their store.
So if the game is good, performs well and the DX12 version is far better than the DX11 visually many people would go for this version and it would be a great message for both DX12 and the store.
If it is not then they can feel they did the right thing having the DX11 version and no further damage is done.
But they have chosen to go arrogant once again and i will be surprised if they will get away with it this time.
So if the game is good, performs well and the DX12 version is far better than the DX11 visually many people would go for this version and it would be a great message for both DX12 and the store.
If it is not then they can feel they did the right thing having the DX11 version and no further damage is done.
But they have chosen to go arrogant once again and i will be surprised if they will get away with it this time.
You can from System settings.
But only for everything, not specific Apps.
Unless this has been updated, then mea culpa and good that's fixed! The option was always greyed out for me.
i guess that might depend on the edition of Win10 you have as my Win10 edu has global app location editable, but friend's Win10 home has it greyed out
Hmm, I have pro.
justsomeguy
Member
One executable for all windows 10 devices = more software on phone pc, xbox = better appeal to developers = more apps for Microsoft platforms = more people buy Microsoft software & devices
Catatafish
Banned
And what's up with the indie developers being money hated?. Do you not see that moneyhatting in its current form only happens to big AAA publishers without actually sharing the bonuses with the the actual people making the game.
An indie Game requires a lot of marketing, distribution strategies, and possibly going through the hassle of figuring out the best retail distribution lines. This is only fair if they want to compete with big AAA games funded by publishers, that gets crazy amount of exposure in the media, "independent" gaming websites, and other forms of marketing.
MS is simply providing these services with the exclusivity in return. It's a win win decision, and espically good for the average indie developers.
The catch however, is that this exclusivity must be time limited.
The only independent studio that Microsoft saw it's worth purchasing out right away is Moojong. The Minecraft deal is worth every single penny. MS is printing money from actual game sales (Been charting NDP numbers for the longest time) , toy's sales, and media licensing rights. (Notice however that game remained multi-physical-platform/multi-digital-platform.
http://www.windowscentral.com/week-xbox-february-14th-2016
We weren’t sure when and how we would be able to get the Windows 10 version done exactly. They lined up, so now a lot of people were like “hey, I get it, you wanna bring this to a lot more gamers to play, but why didn’t you tell about this before?” Well, we didn’t know we could do this before
hmmm so someone one day waked up and screamed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10KObAQFmlY
just like that, by magic.
We weren’t sure when and how we would be able to get the Windows 10 version done exactly. They lined up, so now a lot of people were like “hey, I get it, you wanna bring this to a lot more gamers to play, but why didn’t you tell about this before?” Well, we didn’t know we could do this before
hmmm so someone one day waked up and screamed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10KObAQFmlY
just like that, by magic.
Now is a minor issue, right? You ONLY have to wait 10 seconds to run a recording application to see a frame counter overly. And it will launch your browser with DXTory site every time you close the application.
But dude, is a minor issue because it works with Windows store games.
Defense force is too much for me.
LukasTaves
Member
I thought editing/changing content files were possible in store apps (if you grant access to yourself), however modifying the exe was restricted.
Ah yes, another one who didn't bother to read.
TL;DR: from the test i did, streaming using steam works
LukasTaves
Member
The setting is for everything, but you can move apps individually once installed.
paperspace
Member
How?
LukasTaves
Member
What? They didn't know they were able to make a game work on a PC?
He means a win 10 store port not just getting the game on Pc.
Remember the game wasn't developed as a universal app, heck the game probably started as a pure dx11 given the initial state of the xbone sdks.
Even Microsoft was stuck behind the limitations of the app store.
LukasTaves
Member
Settings app -> System -> Apps and Features.
It will take a while for the list to populate, but then you can click on the app entry and there will be move and uninstall buttons.
They are saying that they delayed the Xbox One version so that they could release Windows 10 version simultaneously.
paperspace
Member
I know for a fact that freesync doesn't work because it needs real fullscreen.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
That is a valid concern! They need to sort that ASAP, I won't have room on my system drive.
CyberPunked
Member
I mean, it probably will come to Steam. He doesn't say otherwise.
"Sooo huuuuh... QB on W10 is a Windows store exclusive"
They're gonna wait a couple of months
enough for the game to tank on PC
LukasTaves
Member
Huh. Move is greyed out for me
It can only move between drives not folders, so if you only have one drive it will be greyed out.
Unless they disabled it, it used to work prior launch and got disabled, but I though they already turned it back on. The Pc i'm on now only has one drive so I can't check 
wapplew
Member
Maybe they'll announce steam version 2 week before release.
ProfessorMoran
Member
If they're trying to become a dominant player in the pc webstore space, this would be their logical next step, moneyhat to get the next big pc game exclusive to their webstore, this has always been their mo, it's only a matter of them not having enough leverage to do it yet, because steam is so dominant.
Brerlappin
Member
Yeah this is a huge concern and a really glaring oversight if it turns out the game cant be moved to a different drive. Its gonna fuck over alot of SSD owners if true. All the other shit i can deal with but this is a deal breaker