darkistheway
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Report: WB is worried about Batman v Superman, but not because of its quality
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We already have a thread about this rumor. Could've just added BoF's report to that.
On top of that, all this worry is coming from the fact that WB had a terrible 2015 and is fighting a hostile takeover. The executives jobs are on the line and a lot is banking on this film being big.
On top of that, all this worry is coming from the fact that WB had a terrible 2015 and is fighting a hostile takeover. The executives jobs are on the line and a lot is banking on this film being big.
Amen to that.
Mentosrock
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I know I'm going to see it, too burnt out on the Marvel happytime super hero films. Interested in seeing something a bit darker. Also seeing it for wonder woman and hoping her solo film is successful. We need some more female driven super hero movies.
Inferno313
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The director is as-much the film's storyteller as the writer. Film is a visual medium, the director is largely responsible for all of the visual story-telling.
Mr. Poolman
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Even if the OP is fake, this will be quoted to hell and back.
broncobuster
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Superhero film, an Oscar winner?? Stop stealing from James Gunn.
DecoReturns
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I hope Ben had some input in some scenes
This isn't some mindbending arthouse film. This isn't a mainstream type like Inception. It's two superheroes beating the crap out of each other.
The film probably cost $250m+ to make. They can't afford to not make it a big popcorn blockbuster flick. It has to have mass appeal. If it fails on that front it will flop like Superman Returns.
Discotheque
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Damn shame that a year with fury road and creed is considered a terrible year. God damn wack audiences
The state of franchise films is a joke. We had arguably 2 of the best sequels of all time and they underperformed
Colonel Nasty
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The guy wrote Argo, which won because it was basically Hollywood sucking its own dick.
LegendofDragoonLives
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On one hand it sounds like spin, on the other Marvel movies for the most part are the prime example of empty action pop movies that are brainless fun. I'll wait until next month to decide. I personally don't have a ton of faith in Snyder, esp with some things that were in MoS which had some great moments and a few others that stopped the movie from being much better than it could have.
Poodlestrike
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And if the original post was complaining about the visual storytelling methods of Zack Snyder that'd be one thing, but clearly the issue was taken more with the screenplay, which dictates such matters.
It was also pretty good.
At least, I thought it was pretty good.
Now, that might not have had anything to do with why it won, because you're right that definitely had a hell of a lot to do with it, but it's head and shoulders above the usual oscar bait.
hydragonwarrior
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This just confirms the next Superman reboot in 5 years.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Such a fucking stupid scene. Only good thing about it is that it's a nice gif. In fact it should be used whenever a director to do something as stupid as what Snyder did then to tell them to knock it off.
This part?
darkistheway
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What an absurdly reductive way to look at it. There is far more to a film's story than the visual storytelling. You can criticize the direction while praising the dialogue, as one example.
Pie and Beans
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Dash_Riprock
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How nice of WB to come with the automatic fanboy response if the movie under-performs.
So you mean like 95% of best picture winners?
This isn't some mindbending arthouse film. This isn't a mainstream type like Inception. It's two superheroes beating the crap out of each other.
The film probably cost $250m+ to make. They can't afford to not make it a big popcorn blockbuster flick. It has to have mass appeal. If it fails on that front it will flop like Superman Returns.
Poodlestrike
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That's usually the impression that I get whenever someone starts claiming their work is too deep for everyone to understand.
Nothing I've seen in any of the trailers indicates that this will be too deep for a mainstream audience.
Inferno313
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I said "as much as" not "instead of."
I've heard WB execs are actually worried because there's a 0.1% percent chance the film will accidentally rip open a hole in the fabric of the universe, casting the Earth into a terrifying dimension ruled over by sentient potato chips.
This is just speculation, of course, but I'm doing it on the internet so that makes it legitimate. You may now use my totally accurate speculation to support whatever argument you were already looking to make.
This is just speculation, of course, but I'm doing it on the internet so that makes it legitimate. You may now use my totally accurate speculation to support whatever argument you were already looking to make.
Poodlestrike
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But nobody involved in the movie is claiming that it's too deep for everyone to understand.
That is not a thing that has happened.
It's interesting (I don't believe either rumor but I would believe WB is nervous) that the negative one got "I KNEW IT, I KNEW THIS MOVIE WOULD SUCK" while the positive spun one is getting 'LIES ALL LIES'. (for the record, neither of these sources have good track records, we should take both with a grain of salt.) Hell of a lot of confirmation bias... how is anyone supposed to take someone's opinion of this film if they are going in with preconceived notions?
Uh no... directors main job is to get the best out of his actors... direct the actors.
Uh no... directors main job is to get the best out of his actors... direct the actors.
N7Commander95
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Oh god, this movie is going to suck* isn't it?
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all of time and space into the empty blackness of the void
I see that now, the way that the initial article reads can be a little bit confusing on that.
Bluekaveli
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I don't get it
DecoReturns
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Thats far from their only job, in fact its minor compare to other aspects
darkistheway
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Point taken. I withdraw the "absurdly."
I still think it is reductive. The director works from the script. The written and visual are intertwined - which is the magic of film for me.
Joel Was Right
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This part?
I don't understand how that scene supports this "took itself too seriously" argument.
Poodlestrike
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Dash_Riprock
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Inferno313
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Both of these things are the duty of the director.
Bobby Roberts
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Two for two with this and the Predator thread.
"No news: New thread"
"No news: New thread"
The Lone Courier
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Guess I'll skip it. Hate pretentious Oscar bait crap.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Winter Soldier showed that these kinds of films can have amazing action scenes and special effects at the same as as having interesting characters and modern thematic relevance.
However the former is required to get the audiences through the door. I wouldn't mind more depth to my superhero films, but if it doesn't deliver on the action and fun and set pieces, people won't be telling their friends about it.
Did you read the article, or even the OP? It's none of those things and not pretending to be.
The One and Done
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Stealth brag concern.
I was replying to a post that said Zack Snyder's signature storytelling is "full of endless pits of backstories on top of backstories on top of backstories".
I don't see what visual storytelling has to do with a story/script being over bloated with backstories.
Frozenprince
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Deep Story.
Zach Snyder movie.
I can't.
What.
Zach Snyder movie.
I can't.
What.
And the screenplay is indeed pretty good. A far, far better take on the material than Man of Steel, at least. But it still has to survive being shot through the Snyderprism.
Getting Goyer out of there was the best thing they could have done for this film. If they can get a different director for Justice League, they may finally have something great on their hands.
Poodlestrike
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Finish reading the OP.
The Lone Courier
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Inferno313
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I'm sick and writing on my phone, apologies for not paying attention.
Still, that's absolutely something Snyder could've worked with Goyer on in pre-production or trimmed down on in post with his editor. It's not like Man of Steel was coming in too short.
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