Tracking what I eat helped me to realize that I wasn't eating enough. Since my appetite is pretty low it was super easy for me to go through the day eating far less than 2000 calories. Now that I'm aware of it though I know to metaphorically stuff myself so I get enough nutrition.
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even if it doesn't intuitively make sense to them it's still a a better way to learn to eat than being obsessed over calories. in most cases that just doesn't stick around anyway because it's too artificial for most people and they become frustrated aaand I wouldn't say they lack commong sense, that's kinda like an insult imo. also I excluded peepz that have like a special condition going on that prevents them from losing weight on their own (without medical help).
Oh! That was it!
And yeah, I love the Still version of The Day The Whole World Went Away. Especially the second half. <3
Also, I was recently watching Bowie singing 'Hurt' with Trent in 1995. It was odd but cool. Trent seemed like he could barely compose himself, compulsively smiling.
I still think it's best to look at it scientifically. If your car is broken, you want to go under the hood and look at what's going on. Isolate the cause, and fix it. It may be one thing to go "okay, let's have common sense, get oil changes every 2000 miles, etc" but if you have a problem then you want to take control.
Your body is burning calories as fuel. Excess calories are stored as fat. If someone needs to lose weight then it's extremely helpful to take control over what's coming in and going out. Just intuiting what to eat and when works perfectly fine for some people, but those who have a weight problem -- Clearly it's not working for them.
My 2 cents please don't make me eat my arm. My arm has too many calories
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I most definitely have an eating addiction or some other food disorder. The only way I stay in shape is by going in the other extreme direction, which is obsessively counting calories and other nutrients (along with a rigid workout routine).
It's worked for 11 years now, even if I hate it.
It's worked for 11 years now, even if I hate it.
Looking at food as fuel for the body and taste/enjoyment secondary (though still great/important) was a big factor for me too.
I just watched this and wow wow wow. Such a surreal instrumentation of it. Really cool to see Trent so giddy, can't blame him at all.
Is it considered an addiction if you only feel the need for it when you're feeling poorly? Cause that's the way for me with Internet, food etc. when I'm having anxiety problems, it just keeps happening but when I'm relaxed and comfortable I can move into something else with zero problems.
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you seem to be talking about extreme cases somehow. a general understanding of calory intake could make sense here, I admit to that. but it's still not everything. in order to stick with the weight loss there has to be a routine of overall healthy eating too. and even then... the act of really tracking down every calory doesn't feel productive to me, it just sends people on guilt trips.
also correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think we're dealing with really obese examples here, also Misha even mentioned she's not really a fan of calory counting either (which makes perfect sense to me). there's definitely another way to lose weight
eating disorders are also an indicator that the root of the problem is psychological, counting calories can become really dangerous here and actually make things worse.
what you're describing is definitely is a form of emotional compensation through food. don't know if it's considered an addiction but talking to a therapist would be more helpful here than just blind dieting
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Oh god it's tomorrow
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I just bought Street Fighter. Why did I just buy Street Fighter. I wanted to wait for March and I still need a PCB for my stick, and I still have no idea what PCB i even should get.
goddamnit.
edit eatchildren go to sleep lol
goddamnit.
edit eatchildren go to sleep lol
I've said my piece, I think calorie counting is useful for some people and you can't blanketly say it's bad IMO. I believe in taking control, being scientific, and making yourself into what you want to be. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Just like anything else, it works for some people. It wouldn't exist in popularity if there wasn't some merit.
We aren't trained to equate amount of food to amount of calories, as we only ever have access to that on packaging labels. I mean restaurants are starting to show but the accuracy of that is pretty subject in my opinion. We're even less versed in how much our bodies burn a day/per activity, so having a method of quantifying that so people can understand it better isn't necessarily bad. Personally I have no interest in that because food is one of the most basic pleasures that I'd rather not associate with a chore.
I'm going to prep my awesome lunch now. You all made me hungry
We aren't trained to equate amount of food to amount of calories, as we only ever have access to that on packaging labels. I mean restaurants are starting to show but the accuracy of that is pretty subject in my opinion. We're even less versed in how much our bodies burn a day/per activity, so having a method of quantifying that so people can understand it better isn't necessarily bad. Personally I have no interest in that because food is one of the most basic pleasures that I'd rather not associate with a chore.
I'm going to prep my awesome lunch now. You all made me hungry
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I even admitted that in can be useful in more severe cases in the first line, so I didn't blanketly say it's bad. ;P I just think most people don't need it and it can have really weird psychological effects if not used with care or real reason.
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I'm counting right now, after I saw how much a collegue lost by doing that for a while. Usually going for 70-80% of my max, sometimes less, rarely more. I don't think it's bad, it helps a lot to find a good balance for the day, to properly estimate meals and to sort food into somewhat healthy and somewhat crappy. And it keeps you invested and aware of your food and your diet.
idk, I think it's fine.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Should try carb counting it's tons of fun.
I don't know about germany but if I go out, I see obese people everywhere. It can be depressing.
In America:
It's actually epidemic status here. To any of those people -- especially the people who are obese (rather than just having a few extra pounds) -- Their body ain't telling them the right things. They've been listening to their body and this is where it's gotten them. They need science.
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i cant exist without carbs
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I'm not in a good place right now. Like, seriously. I'm going to go for a walk. Too many incredibly shitty things have just happened in the span of an hour.
It's a personality based thing. The frustration against it comes from people don't do well with it hearing it as a blanket suggestion and then when it doesn't work are called weak
Most of the things my sister has for motivation for different things really don't work with me. Cheesy sayings, just saying "I have to do it", competing against herself etc. I really can't go to her or my parents for help on things cause they inevitably criticize me for "not doing it right"
I wouldn't tell you "you have to do it" or whatever, what I would tell you is that it's okay to fail. That getting on the horse and staying on the horse actually is a thing that requires practice. Once you get on and stay on for about 2 weeks it becomes incredibly easier after that.
And obviously I have no idea what your situation is, all I know is you mentioned some stuff about counting calories
I've done it for months. It never got easier.
I don't know what your status is or what your desired results are, but if you have been unable to do it alone after being on the horse for months at a time I'd suggest a nutritionist. Some accountability + guidance can help.
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I was more talking to the peepz in the thread...what you said now is a whole different dimension. I don't think you can just generalize like that tho. it always depends on the person and the reason for their weight problems.
anyway...yo mamma could use some calory counting! (did I lighten up the mood? shit it doesn't work without the douchy-jobbs avatar anymore)
shit, sorry to hear! spit it out if it makes you feel any better
I oddly miss the homeboy evil jobbs avatar
every time I came back after sleeping or w/e and saw it I'd crack up again
My entire family did it together. That didn't help.
It made me disliking eating and I didn't want meals to happen.
Not to mention food poverty. That's a huge issue as well when healthy food options are scarce for those on lower income.
There was that article just recently about the McDonalds double? cheeseburger being the "most nutrition per dollar" too.
It's great if you want a laugh.
Do you drink beer?
Carb counter: Too much
it sounds like you just need a hug!
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again, a therapist could be more helpful here. seems like you know the nutrional basics (correct me if I'm wrong) but developed a lot of mental conflict around the whole eating topic. it's not uncommon.
yeah me too
Hugs souls solve more problems than they do. They're nice
Im probably just gonna try the meal replacement shakes. I don't really like food much and if you're gonna make food medicine you might as well remove any enjoyment
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Hugs souls solve more problems than they do. They're nice
Im probably just gonna try the meal replacement shakes. I don't really like food much and if you're gonna make food medicine you might as well remove any enjoyment
pls don't. food is good. food is fun.
Bring it in, you big softy.
glomp
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I could live without food
Well not literally
I don't wanna make wild assumptions here but eating issues like that can also be linked to depression and such. definitely not a matter to take lightly. it's all up to your personal judgement though of course^^
C'mere you
umm the ass grab may or may not go over well depending on the individual, no guarantees. but the hug is fine
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Firm glutes
Yeah, you won't get an ass grab from me. That's just a tad too forward for my tastes.
I think I said this before but I find hugs less threatening than hand shakes, which I 1) have anxiety about because hands, especially the insides of hands, trigger my germ stuff 2) handshakes are a combination of cold and often oddly aggressive, I don't want to have someone trying to crush my hand to prove a point. This happens with men for some reason. At some point someone taught them a "firm" hand shake means they're manly or something
ugh
I wouldn't be surprised but it's still much better than when I was to depressed to eat. At least I can function
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I woke up too early. No man should be up at 4am (its 7 now )
Wuvcraft, I hope the walk helps put things in perspective.
Sending all my good vibes your way!
Wuvcraft, I hope the walk helps put things in perspective.
Sending all my good vibes your way!
I think you're putting a bit too much into handshakes being a machismo thing. I always looked at it like you're both putting in the effort because you're pleased to meet. The same way you wouldn't want to hug someone who doesn't hug back.
(The KotH reference is playing off of that stereotype though)
I try to convert an incoming handshake into a fistbump without it being insulting. It's hard but possible. You sometimes have to compensate by being extra warm to them so they aren't insulted by the conversion.
I'm personally more annoyed by the so-called bro hug, which is basically saying that you feel too threatened in your masculinity to go for a real one.
(I may be overstating this a tad.)
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you won't properly function on food shakes forever either ;P it doesn't hurt to get help! I don't wanna sound too preachy though, just hope you'll find the fun in eating again someday!
just consume what feels right to you for now.liliththepale
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If people open with a greeting that I find awkward (like handshakes) then I do my best to make it awkward for them too, unless of course I really need to make a good impression.
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