Eurogamer: AC art used for Uncharted 4 trailer (Up: Naughty Dog responds)
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BouncyFrag
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You should checkout the Uncharted 3 review thread.
Oh no I agree it's important they rectified it. No matter how small the piece of art, either get permission, give the necessary props, or change it. Which is exactly what ND did, very quickly too. I would disagree with those that say it was not important for ND to do so, just as I would with those clamouring for blood, calling them hacks, saying ND bully or steal, that their future games should be cancelled etc.
I'd love to have seen Miyazaki accidentally leave some AC artwork in a Bloodborne trailer. The thread would implode.
GinoFelino
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what is that even supposed to mean
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It was a mistake.
Some employee got lazy and stealed an artwork from google thinking no one would notice.
He'll probably pay with its job.
In a big project like this it's pretty difficult to have a total control on these things but they recognized it, they apologized and fixed it.
The amazing thing is the amount of people waiting for even the smallest glimpse of opportunity to attack the game and/or the developer, since they probably can't say anything about the quality of the title
Some employee got lazy and stealed an artwork from google thinking no one would notice.
He'll probably pay with its job.
In a big project like this it's pretty difficult to have a total control on these things but they recognized it, they apologized and fixed it.
The amazing thing is the amount of people waiting for even the smallest glimpse of opportunity to attack the game and/or the developer, since they probably can't say anything about the quality of the title
Live Free or Die
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people actually think this was stealing? lol yeahok.gif
That this oversight keeps happening and from a studio largely respected as craftsmen pushing the medium forward (or trying to)?
This is before even mentioning they also seem to have an issue with "borrowing" actors likenesses, which isn't entirely beside the point.
It's a bad look and that it keeps happening is unacceptable. They're a first-party studio. They have the oversight to keep these things from happening. It's not amateur hour.
WTF this is insane. NO I haven't It's my most anticipated game. I have the money down for the collectors edition at best buy already... want a receipt? How can you guys not see the moral argument here?
The guy said it's a small item so who cares? The artist likely cares, and it's wrong to take it. I'm pointing out that his logic is flawed.
boredandlazy
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The fact someone spent 5 minutes editing a placeholder image constitutes skulduggery of the highest order?
Bangbiscuit
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FunkyDealer
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Depends on your definition of a big fail. If I worked on the trailer, I'd be embarrassed.
I'm not saying ND is doomed, I love those guys. I've even got a Naughty Dog sticker on my PS4. This "drama" is all in your head, you're the one putting a voice to peoples writing in your head as you read.
But this is a breach of creative license, which can be a pretty serious thing. Thankfully this was a smaller case of it.
As a creative studio, ND should have caught this when making the trailer.
You can't just use others copyrighted work without permission. It's a big no-no, and not just unethical, but actually illegal.
StrongBlackVine
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I have a feeling that most of the members on the witch hunt don't have this option.
Not for some.
GabeTheGrouch76
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Heh! I laugh in the face of Naughty Dog's hastily forged apology and band-aid over their mistake. It's too late for cry sorry now.
Naughty Dog have grown complacent and arrogant in the years of their success, and now their slothfulness has come back to roost in their bowels. Today marks the end of their golden age, the tombstone of their departure from greatness has been planted. Naughty Dog can keep their apology for such a simple and ridiculous oversight. For I behold the studio, blinded by their pride, fall from heaven, like lightning.
The age of Naughty Dog is done.
Naughty Dog have grown complacent and arrogant in the years of their success, and now their slothfulness has come back to roost in their bowels. Today marks the end of their golden age, the tombstone of their departure from greatness has been planted. Naughty Dog can keep their apology for such a simple and ridiculous oversight. For I behold the studio, blinded by their pride, fall from heaven, like lightning.
The age of Naughty Dog is done.
And when the hell did I say any of that? Why do you want to put those words in my mouth or anybody else? I love ND, I don't want to see them sink, this was an ugly mistake. I hate seeing the double standard, they should be held accountable as anybody else should. Good on them for addressing it. Other people need to learn a thing or two about ethics.
You know you made the SAME accusations against me when I said The Order was disappointing, claiming I hadn't played the game, etc. Some people don't always have an agenda you know.
Giant Panda
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Holly fuck, this thread is full of overreactions. It was a shitty thing to do, it was pointed out to them, and then they promptly fixed it and apologized. I don't see the big deal.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Well, they sure fixed that fast.
BruceLeeRoy
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For the mood of the shot. In the storyboard it was probably used to show the first view of the environment. You don't want a character in shot for that. We quickly clone stamp objects out of screens all the time to convey the mood or look we want. Because its supposed to be a very quick read as a story board you take out any elements that don't pertain to the story.
GinoFelino
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In the grown-up world, this shit happens a million times a week. Most of the time, it's an honest mistake. Most of the time, it's resolved amicably and professionally.
Get over yourselves, this shit is nothing to anyone :')
With the apology and now the fixed version of the trailer its still amazing that fanboys and detractors on both sides are still at it. Honestly guys just drop it an movie on. 2 months from now we'll all be playing the same game and enjoying ourselves and this will be ancient history.
Again words in my mouth. I think whoever was hired to do this in terms of placing or finding art, thought they could pull one over by editing the image, and they got nabbed for it. A placeholder like that, which is a focal point of a carefully edited seen, is not just an oversite.
FunkyDealer
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I don't know how much you guys know about American culture, but I think this guy's an expert.
Lord Error
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Well they wouldn't actually want to use some public domain art anyway, so that doesn't matter. What I meant to say, it makes it too easy to grab some piece of art that you know you can't use commercially, but you can use it to show others the kind of mood you're shooting for etc, all the while knowing that you have to replace it as soon as the actual concept art for that location is ready.
Again, someone involved with making this trailer would be completely out of their mind to know the source of this artwork, and yet to think that something like this would fly unnoticed in such a prominent scene and with today's internet.
It looked more like the image was just re-cropped.
It was a serious issue and they did fuck up, it shouldn't just be "cited" at the end of the bloody thing. It's someone elses work, a different companies intellectual right. But they rectified it and apologised.
It's not like they were all cackling in their studio when they released the trailer thinking of all the things they'd secretly stolen... If they hadn't responded it would be a big deal. But they did.
It shouldn't have got past them, but it did, they sorted it. People need to calm down a bit.
It's not like they were all cackling in their studio when they released the trailer thinking of all the things they'd secretly stolen... If they hadn't responded it would be a big deal. But they did.
It shouldn't have got past them, but it did, they sorted it. People need to calm down a bit.
It's possible for storyboard reasons I guess. I still think it was a lazy worker, who was past deadline and rushed it hoping for the best. Whoever did QA and whoever placed it there should be held accountable.
SketchTheArtist
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Übermatik;196551290 said:
Thanks now I have a good idea what's going on. I thought it might have been a negative reaction to ND's response. An earlier post is right, that the immediacy of information and social platforms make trivial matters disproportionate to the response.
Pardon my ignorance, but when has this happened before with ND? Also I agree they need a stricter system in place for vetting art.
eso76
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Wait, did you crop the painting from the trailer and somehow perspective-corrected it and sharpened and removed all shaders before throwing PS filters on it or is this picture really your piece from 10 years ago ? :O
I don't know what to believe anymore :/
Savinowned
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Well I'm just glad we can all agree that Uncharted 3 is the best of the series.
How could you ever support/play a game from a developer with such low ethics?
Hmmm I never considered this explanation. Sounds plausible though and good to hear that it is done.
If that's the conclusion you want to draw, keep driving that home. I'll stand by it, I think anybody who says "who cares it's just a painting/homage/exposure/etc." are dead wrong.
Bitch Pudding
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I'm not saying you said those things lol. I'm saying I disagree with those in the thread who have said them, just as I also disagree with those claiming the original slip up wasn't an issue. It is and was, and it's good ND sorted it. But that's basically all there was to it. They were held accountable and they did the right thing. I do think they need to be far more strict in their vetting going forward.
Wow it basically is the same.
Hmm thanks for this.
Your instigating last page is certainly showing that it isn't for you.
Because it's Ubisoft doesn't mean the artists behind it aren't insanely talented.
Seriously go look up AC's illustrations, the games may not amount to much in your opinion the illustrations are absurdly well made.
Certainly some of the best in the industry, your behavior isn't making you look good in anyone's eyes.
No I'm not. (And I didn't edit my post, so???) I genuinely don't understand the outrage, on both sides. Is stealing a car the same thing as stealing a Snickers bar? What am I missing?
I think it's important to have conversations about ethical practice in game development. If we're going to talk about whether or not devs should be using other artists' work in the process of development, then fine. We should. But this thread isn't that. So help me understand, because I really don't get it.
1) Nearly every game does this during development, so lazy has likely nothing to do with it
2) Artist should have caught it
3) You don't even know if QA was aware it was placeholder, no need to pretend you know they're to blame
And so do I, it is just that you are taking this thing to an extreme and it is actually hurting your argument.
I am just ribbing you because you are easily agitated.
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