Eurogamer: AC art used for Uncharted 4 trailer (Up: Naughty Dog responds)

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nib95 said:
I'm not saying you said those things lol. I'm saying I disagree with those in the thread who have said them, just as I also disagree with those claiming the original slip up wasn't an issue. It is and was, and it's good ND sorted it. But that's basically all there was to it. They were held accountable and they did the right thing. I do think they need to be far more strict in their vetting going forward.
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Ok so we agre then. So why would you quote and "correct" me, when the guy I was quoting very clearly said because the item is insignificant, then who cares? That type of mentality is a load of BS. And once again the double standard at play here is obvious.
 
Shenmue said:
Hmmm I never considered this explanation. Sounds plausible though and good to hear that it is done.
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Yeah its done by everyone. I haven't worked at a studio that didn't do that. Its necessary to establish a style, tone or look for a project and the best inspiration almost always comes from outside sources. It just helps you to narrow down what your going for.

msdstc said:
It's possible for storyboard reasons I guess. I still think it was a lazy worker, who was past deadline and rushed it hoping for the best. Whoever did QA and whoever placed it there should be held accountable.
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Its very unlikely only because at this point in the games development they have an endless catalogue of in-house produced concept art. They would have no reason to commission new art. Its more likely that like I said the original mood concept art(AC4) at this point matches the production concept art really well and because he hadn't removed it earlier it was assumed to be a part of the in-house teams work.
 
icespide said:
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I expected better lol but still pretty funny
 
GabeTheGrouch76 said:
Heh! I laugh in the face of Naughty Dog's hastily forged apology and band-aid over their mistake. It's too late for cry sorry now.

Naughty Dog have grown complacent and arrogant in the years of their success, and now their slothfulness has come back to roost in their bowels. Today marks the end of their golden age, the tombstone of their departure from greatness has been planted. Naughty Dog can keep their apology for such a simple and ridiculous oversight. For I behold the studio, blinded by their pride, fall from heaven, like lightning.

The age of Naughty Dog is done.
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xxracerxx said:
And so do I, it is just that you are taking this thing to an extreme and it is actually hurting your argument.

I am just ribbing you because you are easily agitated.
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I'm agitated when console wars or fanboys want to shitpost and put words in my mouth, such as what you have done throughout the thread to me. My argument is clear, you're taking what you want because it seems like I'm dumping on ND. That's not what I'm doing, but at the same time, the mistake they made deserves to be talked about, especially since it's happened before. THey will absolutely need to tread carefully going forward, if this happens again they will gain a very strong reputation from it.

I hate being accused by people as wanting the game to be canned or being anti-nd/sony. I have been on the forum for 10 or so years and I've been a sony fan from day 1, I don't see why I have to probe that any time I voice a negative opinion about something they do.
 
icespide said:
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I lol'd.

msdstc said:
Ok so we agre then. So why would you quote and "correct" me, when the guy I was quoting very clearly said because the item is insignificant, then who cares? That type of mentality is a load of BS. And once again the double standard at play here is obvious.
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Because I don't think some of those speaking about how small an issue or mistake this was, are necessarily condoning theft. They could just be pointing out that in the grand scheme of things, as far as mistakes or failures go, this is a fairly small one.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Yeah its done by everyone. I haven't worked at a studio that didn't do that. Its necessary to establish a style, tone or look for a project and the best inspiration almost always comes from outside sources. It just helps you to narrow down what your going for.
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Thank you for the insight. The one thing leading me to believe the infringement was more intentional than accidental was that editing out of the pirate.

But now hearing about your experience, I'm now thinking it was more likely something accidental even on the part of the artist who put it in (at least hopefully that's the case).

Just to be clear though, doesn't make it OK at all. They do need to be more vigilant about it in the future, but intent matters a lot to me.
 
msdstc said:
Again words in my mouth. I think whoever was hired to do this in terms of placing or finding art, thought they could pull one over by editing the image, and they got nabbed for it. A placeholder like that, which is a focal point of a carefully edited seen, is not just an oversite.
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I don't see how I put words in your mouth, your reply pretty much summed it up for me. :p

Either way, I think it's really up to Ubisoft as to how big a deal this is. It's their work and they will act(or not act at all) accordingly. Any other opinion on the matter (especially online gaming forums) is just hot air.
 
Now that most of the serious drama is over if ND decides to steal again in the future, might I suggest stealing Crash Bandicoot back?
 
Now I think about it, Nathan Drake sounds suspiciously like Desmond Miles from AC too...

Druckmann has a lot to answer for

ps3ud0 8)
 
nib95 said:
I lol'd.



Because I don't think some of those speaking about how small an issue or mistake this was, are necessarily condoning theft. They could just be pointing out that in the grand scheme of things, as far as mistakes or failures go, this is a fairly small one.
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If it had been intentional, no it wouldn't be. If they thought the art good enough to have front and center, then they would've addressed that.
 
Shenmue said:
Thank you for the insight. The one thing leading me to believe the infringement was more intentional than accidental was that editing out of the pirate.

But now hearing about your experience, I'm now thinking it was more likely something accidental even on the part of the artist who put it in (at least hopefully that's the case).

Just to be clear though, doesn't make it OK at all. They do need to be more vigilant about it in the future, but intent matters a lot to me.
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Yeah of course I'm just arguing the motive. It was likely lost in the cracks. I said this earlier but we have department thats sole job is to review all final assets and catalogue where they came from so we don't get sued but we only started doing that because we made the same blunder ND did and it was extremely costly.
 
Mael said:
Your instigating last page is certainly showing that it isn't for you.
Because it's Ubisoft doesn't mean the artists behind it aren't insanely talented.
Seriously go look up AC's illustrations, the games may not amount to much in your opinion the illustrations are absurdly well made.
Certainly some of the best in the industry, your behavior isn't making you look good in anyone's eyes.
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Do you know what i mean and to whom?
 
msdstc said:
I'm agitated when console wars or fanboys want to shitpost and put words in my mouth, such as what you have done throughout the thread to me. My argument is clear, you're taking what you want because it seems like I'm dumping on ND. That's not what I'm doing, but at the same time, the mistake they made deserves to be talked about, especially since it's happened before. THey will absolutely need to tread carefully going forward, if this happens again they will gain a very strong reputation from it.

I hate being accused by people as wanting the game to be canned or being anti-nd/sony. I have been on the forum for 10 or so years and I've been a sony fan from day 1, I don't see why I have to probe that any time I voice a negative opinion about something they do.
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What I have done to you throughout the thread? I posted for the first time in here less than 30 minutes ago.

You need to chill.
 
as someone who doesn't care about....well any side of this or even the game


this thread has been pure fun. Makes up for a boring media create
 
msdstc said:
If it had been intentional, no it wouldn't be. If they thought the art good enough to have front and center, then they would've addressed that.
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But it wasn't intentional. They said it was a mistake, corrected it and apologised....

Re-record not fade away.
 
msdstc said:
I'm agitated when console wars or fanboys want to shitpost and put words in my mouth, such as what you have done throughout the thread to me. My argument is clear, you're taking what you want because it seems like I'm dumping on ND. That's not what I'm doing, but at the same time, the mistake they made deserves to be talked about, especially since it's happened before. THey will absolutely need to tread carefully going forward, if this happens again they will gain a very strong reputation from it.

I hate being accused by people as wanting the game to be canned or being anti-nd/sony. I have been on the forum for 10 or so years and I've been a sony fan from day 1, I don't see why I have to probe that any time I voice a negative opinion about something they do.
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you need to relax
 
boredandlazy said:
I don't see how I put words in your mouth, your reply pretty much summed it up for me. :p

Either way, I think it's really up to Ubisoft as to how big a deal this is. It's their work and they will act(or not act at all) accordingly. Any other opinion on the matter (especially online gaming forums) is just hot air.
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I disagree with this as well given the reaction shouldn't matter, when if they did steal (intentionally not by mistake as is the case), then they did so thinking they could get away with it.

Also saying "skullduggery of the highest order" is the very definition of putting words in my mouth. I never said what they've done is monumental, I even said they made a stupid mistake on far more than one occasion, that being said the people insinuating that if it was intentional it doesn't matter given the scale of the item stolen? Those people are wrong, and I think giving them a pass for that is wrong.
 
Conduit said:
Who gives a shit about some artwork. Ubisoft should considered how to make a non-glitchy Ass Ass Creed first and foremost and some good Ass Ass Creed game, not whining about some stolen artwork. They didn't done anything right in franchise since Ass Ass Creed 2.
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Lol, what in the actual fuck? This is awesome
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Yeah its done by everyone. I haven't worked at a studio that didn't do that. Its necessary to establish a style, tone or look for a project and the best inspiration almost always comes from outside sources. It just helps you to narrow down what your going for.



Its very unlikely only because at this point in the games development they have an endless catalogue of in-house produced concept art. They would have no reason to commission new art. Its more likely that like I said the original mood concept art(AC4) at this point matches the production concept art really well and because he hadn't removed it earlier it was assumed to be a part of the in-house teams work.
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Glad someone's on the money. On the last game I worked on, we had to delay our trailer reveal with Game Informer's site by 3 hours because a layout artist noticed one of the photos in a picture frame was still a picture of the cast of Three's Company, and though we already had what was supposed to be the final art of the main character's family portrait ready to go in the scene, the trailer had been rendered before the change had been applied, and had gone overlooked until nearly the last possible minute.

It's easy for placeholders to slip through the cracks sometimes, and it can happen to anyone on any game. ND made a simple mistake, and rectified it quickly. I'm sure they regret overlooking it and I'm sure the people who were most responsible for replacing that art have already been beating themselves up over it.
 
nib95 said:
But it wasn't intentional. They said it was a mistake, corrected it and apologised....

Re-record not fade away.
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Funny part is, even UbiSoft (AC devs) are not even upset about this, unlike posters on here.

But no, no emotional investment beyond 'ethics'... suuuuureeee.

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Now excuse us while we all go on our TV show and movie stream/torrent sites.
 
Good of Naughty Dog to quickly respond like this, classy guys (well except the guys who who stole the art).
 
DeepEnigma said:
Funny part is, even UbiSoft (AC devs) are not even upset about this, unlike posters on here.

But no, no emotional investment beyond 'ethics'... suuuuureeee.

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What's my agenda then? Why did I platinum ever UC game on ps3 and ps4 and on vita? Why do I have a lvl 31 trophy level? am I covert operative, working the inside to sink the ship from within? Take this crap elsewhere.
 
vulva said:
Why are people saying "good on them" for changing out a stolen picture they didn't have the rights to use in the first place and just giving a lip service apology?
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Agreed. I don't like this culture of "We made an honest mistake and took immediate and professional measures to rectify it". It just screams "Oh look at us trying to do the right thing by apologizing for something that could happen to anyone editing footage without an extensive knowledge of the source material(s)". Naughty Dog should fire their marketing staff, change their name to Well Behaved Dog, and cancel Uncharted 4 over this crime against ahhh I just can't.

I'm 100% biased as I think Naughty Dog are the best developers on console, however, this is one of those cases where the sugar isn't as sweet as you think. If you've ever had to create anything with a group of people, then you would understand how a screw up like this can happen. I think Naughty Dog should take extra measures in the future to make sure this doesn't happen again. With that in mind, nobody should get fired over this. That would be sending a horrific and demoralizing message to their current and future staff i.e. If you make an honest mistake you're gone. Let the responsible parties learn from their one-time mistake!

msdstc said:
How can you guys not see the moral argument here?
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Apologizing for making a mistake is one of the most moral and human things you can do in life. If you have the time, you should read A Human Being Died That Night. Don't be fooled by the cover or premise of the book. It's a fantastic book that aids in expanding our understanding of morality and forgiveness.
 
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