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Iowa bill would allow kids to handle handguns under parental supervision
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DonasaurusRex
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something tells me kids in iowa are already handling handguns, shotguns, .22's and muzzle loaders, and theres a whole list of counties where people are too damn spread out for anyone to check.
I don't know, my dad got me a 20-guage Remington for skeet practice, and eventually dove hunting when I was 9, and somehow I never managed to murder anyone, intentionally or otherwise. I think the part about parental supervision is important, and I think you're all being a bit alarmist. It'd be interesting to revisit this in a year when nothing bad has come of it.
I live in California, by the way, and this would have been Christmas 1998.
I live in California, by the way, and this would have been Christmas 1998.
Gun Animal
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this is fine and normal, almost everyone i know has gone hunting or to a shooting range with their parent/s in their early teens or younger. If anything the law should only make a single distinction: if you're under 18, you can only use a firearm under parental supervision for hunting or target practicing purposes. No idea why anyone would have a problem with that.
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Darth Karja
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I thought this had always been legal in other parts of the country. I went shooting all the time as a kid.
andythinkpad
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You want UK invade a country that let kids handle guns?
Exactly. Give it time and we won't have a next generation to fight against.
Randolph Freelander
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Yes I do. Ironic, when you think about it, I guess.
But basically this whole "America" experiment just isn't working out. We gave it the old college try, but it's run its course, methinks. We should end it humanely while there's still a small degree of dignity.
7DollarHagane
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I never did but my cousin went often with my uncle and grandfather. It's really not that weird.
But the reactions in this thread are hilarious. People really overreact.
cyclonekruse
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I'm not sure this is meaningfully different than the handling of rifles by kids (under parental supervision) that is already in place.
I'm more upset that the legislature wasted their time on this needless bill in the first place. I can't imagine too many parents were getting strung up for allowing their kids to use handguns under their supervision.
The reactions in this thread are interesting though. I'm going to guess not many of you got a gun for Christmas when you were 6 like I did. It was a BB gun but a gun nonetheless. I was given a 12 gauge when I was 8 (though I wasn't allowed to actually shoot it until I was about 14). Completely different worlds we grew up in.
I'm more upset that the legislature wasted their time on this needless bill in the first place. I can't imagine too many parents were getting strung up for allowing their kids to use handguns under their supervision.
The reactions in this thread are interesting though. I'm going to guess not many of you got a gun for Christmas when you were 6 like I did. It was a BB gun but a gun nonetheless. I was given a 12 gauge when I was 8 (though I wasn't allowed to actually shoot it until I was about 14). Completely different worlds we grew up in.
Clearly you and I just barely managed to escape the horrific upbringing that would have led us into shooting up a school.
Haha, wow. I remember this. I guess this is what it is like to be governed by trolls.
OriginalThinking
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Iowa City is a bastion of sanity, along with some of the other larger cities. Outside of them, it's basically Nebraska on steroids. (My home state.)
This bill is lunacy, and just as importantly, so is the existing law letting kids handle other kinds of guns. Bringing hand guns up to par with a stupid bill does not make it okay. I had to triple read that it was UNDER age 14, rather than over. Totally batshit insane.
While we're at it, we should let them use power tools, repeal all child labor laws, and groom them for child rearing at earlier ages. 12-14 sounds about right.
But seriously, I will never understand exposing kids to guns like this, supervision or not. Weapons are not for children.
But seriously, I will never understand exposing kids to guns like this, supervision or not. Weapons are not for children.
Shuggananas
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'merica fuck yeah
No flamethrowers though :/
No flamethrowers though :/
Chuckie
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The real problem in this story is actually you having a shotgun lying around in your room.
Kids shouldn't have guns period. Gun courses are just to cure the side-effects, not the disease.
Someone here posted a clear graph that shows gun related deaths in the US are fucking out of this world... but it just gets ignored.
Showing kids how to shoot guns might indeed prevent some gun accidents. You know what would prevent more gun accidents? Not having every-fucking-one owning 13 guns.
andythinkpad
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Have you played Assassins Creed 3? The Brits and their Queen will get destroyed by the colonies.
Miles Quaritch
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There's a gif for this. Baby is born holding a gun. I forget the show.
Black Republican
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they needed a bill for this?
pretty sure they already do this anyways lol
pretty sure they already do this anyways lol
What could possibly go wrong.
Try stealing his candy. I dare you.
The Libertine
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This has to be a joke article...surely...?
I'm shedding a tear, but not because of the Onion.
Shuggananas
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It's easy just shoot him if he tries to shoot you, everybody's safe
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Pretty much.
But seriously, I will never understand exposing children to vaccines like this, medical experts or not. Preventative care is not for children.
Chuckie
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Are you comparing vaccines for children with guns?
Is there some joke I am not getting?
Wtf are you talking about. Our infrastructure is crumbling, the paint is peeling.
Have you ever lived in a rural area? I am guessing not.
The people that have strong negative reactions to this seemingly grew up without guns being a relatively normal and safe part of life, unrelated to violence against others.
For people in families that hunt, this is perfectly normal.
All of that said, I think we need less guns and more control. But the more perspective we have about the reality of other people's normal, the more healthy the discussion can be.
cyclonekruse
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It's actually very common for kids to help out on the family farm, even from a young age. That often includes the use of power tools. Hell, I got a job at my grandmother's restaurant when I was 13. Child labor laws are different for family businesses (which is analogous to the "under parental supervision" clause of this law).
In fact, I think you can legally drink alcohol as a minor if you are under under parental supervision. And you can get married if you're younger than 16 as long as you have your parent's consent.
Given all of the "adult" stuff that kids are allowed to do under parental supervision, it's not surprising this law passed.
Are they not the same, though? If I don't expose my children to vaccines or gun safety courses then they won't have to worry about diseases or guns ever affecting their well-being.
RedNumberFive
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Geez, haven't any of you been a Boy Scout? We shot rifles and guns all the time. I have a merit badge for it. As long as adult supervision is at place, at a range, I don't see what the big deal is.
Chuckie
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Uhm no.
A vaccine is to prevent a disease. Avoiding it just increases the chance of disease/death.
A gun is a weapon. Avoiding it decreases the chance of an accident/death.
Your analogy was guns to vaccines, not gun safety courses to vaccines.
appaws
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Gaf anti-gunners have achieved a level of puritanism that would make John Winthrop and Cotton Mather cringe.
I think any and all gun related activity has been purged from the Boy Scouts in all urban and suburban areas due to the reactions of hysterical, misinformed parents.
styl3s
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I can't speak for parents and kids these days because times change, different areas have different cultures and generations are different but i can tell you it was extremely common for my dads generation and mine in my city that kids, specifically boys were given rifles on around their 12th birthday. But, hunting was and still is very, very common here and it tends to start at a very young age.
RedNumberFive
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That's a shame. I had a ton of fun earning that badge, and found that I had a natural talent for it. That said, we spent like 80% of our time on safety and respecting the weapon. Sad to see that those activities have been removed.
Where in my original post did I make that analogy? You were the one who drew that connection.
But I still don't understand, I can just have my kids avoid diseases just like they can guns right? Because if I tell them to avoid it there is zero chance they will ever be exposed to diseases or guns, so there's no need for vaccines or gun safety courses.
Enosh
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Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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It's odd to see abstinence-only logic presented as a viable solution for gun education by people that would almost certainly oppose abstinence-only logic in any other context. "Don't do that" isn't an effective educational method.
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