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[Steel]

All these Bernie supporters who would choose Trump over Hilary is filling my mind with fuck.

I can't even begin to understand. Only reasoning I seem to hear is some kind of edgy "let's bring everything down" argument.

 

[border]

Truth be told, it's his stance on college (After pulling myself through with enormous student debt his free college ideas are nothing short of amazing) and I believe he truly believes in what he preaches.

As much as I empathize with people who took on huge debt for degrees that weren't worth it, isn't the much more pragmatic and workable solution just to encourage people to go to cheaper state schools? And preferably spend the first two years at a cheap community college just to get your core classes out of the way?

I suppose you might say that state schools aren't as good as private ones, but it's not as if Bernie was going to ever get you a free ride through private schools anyway.

 

[Opto]

All these Bernie supporters who would choose Trump over Hilary is filling my mind with fuck.

I can't even begin to understand. Only reasoning I seem to hear is some kind of edgy "let's bring everything down" argument.

Feel the Berning Edge

 

[Mighty Chin]

All these Bernie supporters who would choose Trump over Hilary is filling my mind with fuck.

I can't even begin to understand. Only reasoning I seem to hear is some kind of edgy "let's bring everything down" argument.

Because they are a bunch of cry babies who would rather take their ball and go home or pop it.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

It's not possible to overstate this: Liberal. Supreme court. That could last for DECADES. Hillary is worth it for that alone. To be honest, I'm starting to think any democratic presidential candidate is worth it for that alone.

I'm with you 100% on this.

Hell, I'd probably avoid most political threads (or write in Sanders myself) if it weren't for the fact that Scalia died, Republicans won't allow another appointment until after November, and some other Justices are teetering on the edge of retirement (or death, unfortunately) themselves. Breyer will be 78 in August, Thomas will be 68 in June, Kennedy will be 80 in July, and Ginsberg will be 83 next month.

Many of those seats will need to be filled in the next few years. I'd give my left nut if we could get some Liberals in there instead of Trump (or Rubio or Cruz) appointees.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Truth be told, I'm not 100% clear on what you mean. That said in the long run this is all fairly meaningless as not one person in this thread is going to change their vote based on what was said in this thread (or I hope people aren't so wishy-washy).

Best of luck to whoever you want to win on Super Tuesday and let's all enjoy the fireworks.

Whatever profession you're in, I sincerely hope it's one with no effects on minority lives.

 

[HyperOne]

Sheesh. So how was r/atheism today?



Man, I've already changed my views about people who support Bernie and Trump based on these discussions. Some people are single issue voters. Bums me out, but that's how it is.

I have never actually been to r/atheism, but consider religion in politics a plague.

Single issue voting is as every bit legitimate as are single interest groups. Both exist for a reason. Sometimes people believe so strongly in something the rest of whatever that individual stands for is moot.way

It's their right to vote that way.

As much as I empathize with people who took on huge debt for degrees that weren't worth it, isn't the much more pragmatic and workable solution just to encourage people to go to cheaper state schools? And preferably spend the first two years at a cheap community college just to get your core classes out of the way?

I suppose you might say that state schools aren't as good as private ones, but it's not as if Bernie was going to ever get you a free ride through private schools anyway.

That is a band aid and not an actual solution to the issue at hand (Overly expensive post-secondary education).

Though I do encourage my students who actually want college to check out community colleges.

Truth be told, from what I have seen though, the "better" students refuse to go because they don't want the stigma and consider the average community college beneath them.

 

[Aaronology]

Funny.

I worry.


I'm a non-straight black male for Bernie but who will vote for Hillary in November.

Regardless, it doesn't matter if it applies to me. Surely there are people who fit your description, but you're insinuating, without basis, that these people are here among us, even targeting certain posters here. In my view, that isn't fair of you and I don't think it helps the discussion.

I didn't mean to insinuate. Let me be clear: They are. Anyone following these threads have seen them. We've even had one on the last page be blunt about it and he has been quoted several times over. I am not quite sure why you are insisting on denying that the majority of Trump's supporters are white and/or not directly affected by his policies. This isn't exactly controversial, and it is hardly baseless to connect the dots when someone comes out in vocal support of a racist and a sexist that that person just might not be a member of the groups their candidate is antagonizing.

 

[Ecotic]

I can totally understand dislike of Hillary. She's an ethical wreck and has used collected chits from 25 years in the national scene to muscle her way to the nomination despite not being that talented or accomplished. In 2008 I was a big Obama supporter and wanted to 'turn the page' from the Clintons as much as anyone.

But oh well, 2016 is everything and Hillary is... fine enough. I hope she does a great job.

 

[danm999]

Trump toes the corporatist line. He wouldn't change a thing about the Washington ecosystem besides who leads it.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Do people who are legit baffled by the Bernie --> Trump crowd deny that many Clinton fans were in a similar boat in 2008 with Obama? Or are our current circumstances special somehow?

It'll pass in a couple months. We're getting a President Clinton. It's virtually inevitable at this point.

 

[Not]

You want some fucking chaos, move to Syria.

I'm sure you can pull yourself by your fucking bootstraps again.

This isn't even /r/atheism bad. If your basis for doing shit in a position of authority is a 2000 year old religious text, there's no reason I should be voting for you.

I was correlating everything he was saying into one profile, not just because of that statement.

 

[Paskil]

I would be willing to wager that a good number of folk that say they will abstain from voting or will vote for Trump in the general (not necessarily in this thread), assuming a Hillary primary win, are the same individuals talking down (intentionally or not) to minority voters about how it is in their best interest to vote for Sanders, or are wringing their hands about how blacks/hispanics voting for Clinton are 'low information voters'.

 

[Foffy]

I can totally understand dislike of Hillary. She's an ethical wreck and has used collected chits from 25 years in the national scene to muscle her way to the nomination despite not being that talented or accomplished. In 2008 I was a big Obama supporter and wanted to 'turn the page' from the Clintons as much as anyone.

But oh well, 2016 is everything and Hillary is... fine enough. I hope she does a great job.

Fine enough in what way?

Fine enough in this climate? Sure.

Fine enough to truly solve all of the problems we face? Well.......

 

[LCGeek]

Your source please?!

Here is mine:
Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?
Was Hillary Clinton the Original ‘Birther’?

You first article is my point. She did little to stifle a certain crowd within her ranks. Yet here people are telling sanders supporters to control their own or republicans for that matter..... For the record mccain had balls to do so in the same election she didn't speaks volumes to me.

Again you're only building up my central point of hate for her to begin with. She is a fake politically convenient politcian. I don't care how good she is at. Gaffers lets just remember hate is irrational, logic be damned. Why care what my opinion is anyways if I'm voting for her almost no matter what. I will take away the distinction of my point in that she wasn't the original birther but she was definitely a polictican who didn't mind courting them, which basically doesn't make her that much better.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Do people who are legit baffled by the Bernie --> Trump crowd deny that many Clinton fans were in a similar boat in 2008 with Obama? Or are our current circumstances special somehow?

It'll pass in a couple months. We're getting a President Clinton. It's virtually inevitable at this point.

Do you really not understand the difference?

 

[SneakersSO]

It'll pass in a couple months. We're getting a President Clinton. It's virtually inevitable at this point.

I wouldn't say its inevitable. She's getting the nomination, that much is for sure, as much as it pains me as a Bernie supporter. However, I do think she will have a hard time, particularly against Trump. It won't be free. And I know me & quite a few others who refuse to vote for her.

I just wish Warren ran. That would've been my ideal candidate

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

You first article is my point. She did little to stifle a certain crowd within her ranks. Yet here people are telling bernier supporters to control their own..... For the record mccain had balls to do so in the same election she didn't speaks volumes to me.

Again you're only building up my central point of hate for her to begin with. She is fake and politically convenient politcian. I don't care how good she is at. Gaffers lets just remember hate is irrational. logic be damned. Why care what my opinion is anyways if I'm voting for her almost no matter what. I will take away the distinction of my point in that she wasn't the original birther but she was definitely a polictican who didn't mind courting them, which basically doesn't make her that much better.

I've never understood the charge that Clinton only takes stances that are going to get her the most votes. Isn't that what an elected official is supposed to do in a representative democracy? Would you rather she stubbornly stay the course, no matter what the people wanted?

 

[Aaronology]

Fine enough in what way?

Fine enough in this climate? Sure.

Fine enough to truly solve all of the problems we face? Well.......

It is extremely important for people to begin recognizing that no President can do this, and that the office is not that of a Dictatorship. Voting locally? Midterms? There is a start. Not the Presidency. How the Tea Party has mobilized in under a decade is a great example of how "revolutions" are catalyzed, not the cult of personality ballooning (and soon to be deflated) under Bernie Sanders.

 

[Steel]

Do people who are legit baffled by the Bernie --> Trump crowd deny that many Clinton fans were in a similar boat in 2008 with Obama? Or are our current circumstances special somehow?

It'll pass in a couple months. We're getting a President Clinton. It's virtually inevitable at this point.

McCain wasn't anywhere near as bad as Trump.

 

[Jombie]

I think she's a rotten person but she'll be the lesser of two evils.

 

[HyperOne]

I've never understood the charge that Clinton only takes stances that are going to get her the most votes. Isn't that what an elected official is supposed to do in a representative democracy? Would you rather she stubbornly stay the course, no matter what the people wanted?

That is a very interesting question actually.

I think most people envision the ideal candidate as a morally just individual who can convince the masses to vote with them and not a morally bankrupt foil for whatever the ignorant and idiotic masses want.

 

[Not]

I have never actually been to r/atheism, but consider religion in politics a plague.

Single issue voting is as every bit legitimate as are single interest groups. Both exist for a reason. Sometimes people believe so strongly in something the rest of whatever that individual stands for is moot.

I get it. I feel that way about women's rights. If Bernie didn't have a platform about supporting the autonomy of women and equal opportunity legislation, I would seriously consider not voting for him. I still would, because, like I mentioned, LIBERAL SUPREME COURT, but I would definitely consider it.

 

[J-Rzez]

I hope you realize that you sound uninformed.

After getting duds of suits from both parties since the 80's, I'm a little frustrated with our political parties. Those who "fit the bill" getting the forward in them, and those who could possibly make a difference with their alternative views getting ousted because they are not political mouth pieces to push party and interests agendas.

It's really, really upsetting, losing faith in our system because while we can vote for whoever, we're presented with hand picked equally noxious choices. That's all.

 

[Odrion]

All these Bernie supporters who would choose Trump over Hilary is filling my mind with fuck.

I can't even begin to understand. Only reasoning I seem to hear is some kind of edgy "let's bring everything down" argument.

There's a group of people who are economically liberal/socialist but either are ambivalent or outright rejects social/identity politics. A lot of who consider themselves "liberal" feel that the current Democratic party use social/identity politics to distract people from their eroding rights and shrinking incomes, or to force people to are aware to compromise their ideals to prevent some Boogeyman from taking over. The "brogressive". They're the people in Gamergate that swear they're not conservative, they're the /pol/ members who swear it's all out of irony, they're like the people who shot Atheism+ down, they're people like Sargon of Assad and all who follow him.

Basically the left's libertarians.

And despite Trump hating everyone not white he has an economic policy and a stance on worker's rights that are attractive to these people I guess?

 

[Prodigal Son]

I wouldn't say its inevitable. She's getting the nomination, that much is for sure, as much as it pains me as a Bernie supporter. However, I do think she will have a hard time, particularly against Trump. It won't be free. And I know me & quite a few others who refuse to vote for her.

I just wish Warren ran. That would've been my ideal candidate

I might be a bit of an optimist. I think she'll be fine against Trump. Trump is too polarizing of a figure.

Do you really not understand the difference?

There is no difference. "I won't support Obama. I'm voting Mccain" and "I won't support Hillary, I'm voting Trump." Same immature principle. Perhaps more is at risk today I guess?

I was correlating everything he was saying into one profile, not just because of that statement.

Ah. Wasn't reading his posts.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

That is a very interesting question actually.

I think most people envision the ideal candidate as a morally just individual who can convince the masses to vote with them and not a morally bankrupt foil for whatever the ignorant and idiotic masses want.

So you consider yourself intelligent and well-informed then

 

[SneakersSO]

I would be willing to wager that a good number of folk that say they will abstain from voting or will vote for Trump in the general (not necessarily in this thread), assuming a Hillary primary win, are the same individuals talking down (intentionally or not) to minority voters about how it is in their best interest to vote for Sanders, or are wringing their hands about how blacks/hispanics voting for Clinton are 'low information voters'.

I am a minority voter. Majority of my friends and colleagues are minority voters. None that I have spoken with on this subject will be voting for Clinton. In fact, many of them (for a number of reasons; sexist attitudes included) won't be voting for her specifically because they've heard the same spiel from politicians like her before, and received nothing in their communities to show for it.

Also, i'm in touch with a number of immigrants who are now legalized and who are staunch Trump supporters. Like, i'm legit surprised. And i'm from a blue state!

Bernie was the first that took all the socio-economic issues that we care about and ran with it. If Bernie loses, I imagine the majority of my social network will either not vote, vote Trump, or vote independent.

 

[LCGeek]

I've never understood the charge that Clinton only takes stances that are going to get her the most votes. Isn't that what an elected official is supposed to do in a representative democracy? Would you rather she stubbornly stay the course, no matter what the people wanted?

I'm not a gaffer who buys in to the narrative of a representative democracy. I see her as a shill and like any other politcian who knows the power that comes in politics when you happen to be a ambitious and wise politcian like herself. I hate the game baby, this is just a player that happens to have a lot of good and bad at the moment.

I have no problem with the pandering, except I've got nothing to show for it after seeing it for 20 years now. Just leaving other people the warning that's what can happen when you listen to people like her who are quite friendly and open to shit republicans never will but don't make much happen.

Others said it. I will say. When she gets shit done on BLM or real LGBT rights after SSM like job rights or residence I will fucking give her props. Till then doubts, doubts and more doubts, why cause I got history of her playing the game not getting much done. I would say her being softball last election costed her cause people rode that obama hope train like no tommorow.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I am a minority voter. Majority of my friends and colleagues are minority voters. None that I have spoken with on this subject will be voting for Clinton. In fact, many of them (for a number of reasons; sexist attitudes included) won't be voting for her specifically because they've heard the same spiel from politicians like her before, and received nothing in their communities to show for it.

Bernie was the first that took all the socio-economic issues that we care about and ran with it. If Bernie loses, I imagine the majority of my social network will either not vote, vote Trump, or vote independent.

Stop, this is getting too nuanced. Let's go back to taking sides.

 

[HyperOne]

So you consider yourself intelligent and well-informed then

It doesn't matter. Clearly what I have said in this thread has the majority convinced I know nothing regardless of what research I actually have done.

That aside, I deal with people A LOT and people who THINK they know politcs A LOT. Whether you think I am dumb or not, there are some people who are scary ignorant in this world.

I still have people saying Obama will eventually help the Muslims take over America.

 

[JJDubz]

I mean, this is real life, not Curb Your Enthusiasm.

I am frankly incredibly tired of hearing this argument in every discussion, from racism to sexism to transphobia and now, apparently, to choosing your Presidential candidate.

I am not responsible for making you feel good about your choices. That's on you! I'll do you the favor of giving you direct and straightforward feedback as to what I think about them. If that makes you feel bad, then maybe you should reconsider your choices.

I am also not responsible for any hostage situation you create by suggesting that you might choose not to take an action you agree is moral because I was mean to you. You're responsible for your choice to do the wrong thing, not me. That's how hostage situations work.

If you choose not to vote for Hillary because I was rude on the internet, and as a result Donald Trump becomes president of the United States, feel free to come back to the thread and explain that it's my fault for being rude to you, and we'll see how that goes. Maybe we can get a poll up. And also, good luck finding ways to blame other people for all of your irrational and unproductive decisions for the rest of your life.

I've already stated that I will vote for Hillary if she gets the nom. I just don't see how insulting someone over who they support, when their policies are very close, has any good come out of it.

I am only speaking on the 'oh they are all GGers', 'oh they are all entitled millennials', 'oh they are this and that' when there is a very large part of his support that is just far left or sick of C.R.E.A.M. The ones that are just against establishment-anything will vote for Trump regardless, but losing votes to Stein is possible since her platform lines up better to Sanders than does Hillary. (Though I expect Sanders to support Hillary, which will definitely soften the blow)

It's just the discourse. It's playground tactics when you call them names and try to put them down for a difference of opinion.

 

[Tesseract]

I am a minority voter. Majority of my friends and colleagues are minority voters. None that I have spoken with on this subject will be voting for Clinton. In fact, many of them (for a number of reasons; sexist attitudes included) won't be voting for her specifically because they've heard the same spiel from politicians like her before, and received nothing in their communities to show for it.

Also, i'm in touch with a number of immigrants who are now legalized and who are staunch Trump supporters. Like, i'm legit surprised. And i'm from a blue state!

Bernie was the first that took all the socio-economic issues that we care about and ran with it. If Bernie loses, I imagine the majority of my social network will either not vote, vote Trump, or vote independent.

Same boat, and about 70% of mine are blue collar. It's also the general feeling I've gotten out of Florida. We voted blue, went purple and kinda got dicked over for it.

 

[Foffy]

It is extremely important for people to begin recognizing that no President can do this, and that the office is not that of a Dictatorship. Voting locally? Midterms? There is a start. Not the Presidency. How the Tea Party has mobilized in under a decade is a great example of how "revolutions" are catalyzed, not the cult of personality ballooning (and soon to be deflated) under Bernie Sanders.

Understand I am not even saying Sanders accomplishes the bolded in my post. There's no panacea, and I think this is a cultural issue.

I wonder how sincere people truly are with wanting problems to be solved, because if we elect people to represent us, the best answers I can give are "we are led truly by the least among us" or "we don't give a shit."

That said, there are core issues I believe Hillary has spoken about but offers solutions that don't fix the underlying issues. Where does the ACA end the for-profit have/have not system of health "care" in America? Does an "indebted servitude" really amount to much in a college system that already powerbombs the people entering it?

In this climate, those solutions may seem fucking amazing. But of themselves, they're pitiful. That contrast should be made clear, and I'm sure it can be made clearer on other issues. What is good in our methodology today is not good in and of itself, which is where I'm far more interested in seeing problems solved. What may seem like gold for us now can potentially just be shit in wrappings. Half-measured responses can only work for so long, especially as we face one, potentially two, major global issues this century where a half-measure will prove catastrophic.

 

[SneakersSO]

I might be a bit of an optimist. I think she'll be fine against Trump. Trump is too polarizing of a figure.

I'm just in touch with too many people that would/should, by any margin, be highly offended by the things he has said, who support him wholeheartedly. Women, minorities, immigrants, you name it. These were people who voted Obama in both '08 & '12. And this is a blue state!

For a lot of these people, the transition from Bernie->Trump just seems natural to many of them. I wish I could do a poll & figure out why they feel this way. Honestly, I never thought Trump would make it this far, and yet here we are.

 

[Aaronology]

I am a minority voter. Majority of my friends and colleagues are minority voters. None that I have spoken with on this subject will be voting for Clinton. In fact, many of them (for a number of reasons; sexist attitudes included) won't be voting for her specifically because they've heard the same spiel from politicians like her before, and received nothing in their communities to show for it.

Also, i'm in touch with a number of immigrants who are now legalized and who are staunch Trump supporters. Like, i'm legit surprised. And i'm from a blue state!

Bernie was the first that took all the socio-economic issues that we care about and ran with it. If Bernie loses, I imagine the majority of my social network will either not vote, vote Trump, or vote independent.

So they don't support Hillary because they believe nothing will be done. Yet they are actively engaged in this cycle specifically for a candidate who absolutely will not be able to provide the results that, by your own claim, is of utmost important to them.

I admit I am a little confused here. Which communities are you referring to that would prosper under the Trump that you insist your friends will be voting for instead?

 

[Ecotic]

Fine enough in what way?

Fine enough in this climate? Sure.

Fine enough to truly solve all of the problems we face? Well.......

Third terms are so valuable, so vital to institutionalizing and furthering change that the person winning that third term doesn't have to an all-star for that term to be a powerful force multiplier.

An example, George H.W. Bush wasn't that endearing to the Republican base but after 12 years of Republican rule the Democrats had to co-opt large parts of the Republican platform just to win and the Supreme Court has stayed conservative longer than I've been alive because of 12 years of Republicans appointing justices.

Third terms (and a possible fourth term) are like extra hits at the end of a really long combo. It doesn't have to be a special move to increase the score drastically.

 

[The Albatross]

I feel like a lot of it is motivated by people who have never felt like they identified with a political campaign before, and now they're identifying with Bernie's campaign, so a typical Democrat -- the candidate they've likely supported for their entire life -- now seems like the devil because they're "their first" opponent.

It's interesting that none of this Hillary antipathy from the left was levied at Obama for making her Secretary of State. You'd figure if Hillary was one of the most evil politicians in the world (as we're supposed to accept now), then there would have been some amount of protest from the left from 2009 - 2013.

 

[Spica]

Between Clinton and Trump one is a bourgeois imperialist and one is a bourgeois proto-fascist. I think a Trump presidency will do more to hurt vulnerable minorities so I hope Hillary beats him, but it's not like she's a good person either. She deserves all the hate she gets.*

*Except for those who hate her on the basis of her gender, which I do take issue with. I won't defend Clinton but it's obvious to me that the increased scrutiny on her compared to other imperialists is motivated in part by misogyny.

 

[pigeon]

Third terms are so valuable, so vital to institutionalizing and furthering change that the person winning that third term doesn't have to an all-star for that term to be a powerful force multiplier.

An example, George H.W. Bush wasn't that endearing to the Republican base but after 12 years of Republican rule the Democrats had to co-opt large parts of the Republican platform just to win and the Supreme Court has stayed conservative longer than I've been alive because of 12 years of Republicans appointing justices.

Third terms (and a possible fourth term) are like extra hits at the end of a really long combo. It doesn't have to be a special move to increase the score drastically.

That is not how damage scaling works, but otherwise good post.

 

[HyperOne]

*Except for those who hate her on the basis of her gender, which I do take issue with. I won't defend Clinton but it's obvious to me that the increased scrutiny on her compared to other imperialists is motivated in part by misogyny.

Don't think I've seen one person in this thread go after her for being a woman.

I honestly am curious how many do take issue with it and just won't actually admit it.

 

[SneakersSO]

So they don't support Hillary because they believe nothing will be done. Yet they are actively engaged in this cycle specifically for a candidate who absolutely will not be able to provide the results that, by your own claim, is of utmost important to them.

I admit I am a little confused here. Which communities are you referring to that would prosper under the Trump that you insist your friends will be voting for instead?

Oh, i'm not saying any communities would prosper under Trump. I'm talking about communities that would prosper under Bernie Sanders. As for why those people say they'd vote for Trump, I have no idea as to why some of them would outside of one. The only thing I can say that I have heard is that many of them just like the fact that Trump has balls (both literally & figuratively) would give him a vote just for that. And yes, thats from women too.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Third terms are so valuable, so vital to institutionalizing and furthering change that the person winning that third term doesn't have to an all-star for that term to be a powerful force multiplier.

An example, George H.W. Bush wasn't that endearing to the Republican base but after 12 years of Republican rule the Democrats had to co-opt large parts of the Republican platform just to win and the Supreme Court has stayed conservative longer than I've been alive because of 12 years of Republicans appointing justices.

Third terms (and a possible fourth term) are like extra hits at the end of a really long combo. It doesn't have to be a special move to increase the score drastically.

12? its actually 20 years. Carter never got to nominate anyone. 69-93 Justices were all appointed by Nixon-H W Bush.

 

[Prodigal Son]

I'm just in touch with too many people that would/should, by any margin, be highly offended by the things he has said, who support him wholeheartedly. Women, minorities, immigrants, you name it. These were people who voted Obama in both '08 & '12. And this is a blue state!

For a lot of these people, the transition from Bernie->Trump just seems natural to many of them. I wish I could do a poll & figure out why they feel this way. Honestly, I never thought Trump would make it this far, and yet here we are.

Yeah. The bolded is also a good point. It sort of pokes a whole in the narrative some posters were trying to spin. Not every Trump supporter is a white man. He has an alarming number of support from women and minority groups. I honestly can't say I know why. It's kind of impressive how he gets away with the shit he says.

 

[Not]

I feel like a lot of it is motivated by people who have never felt like they identified with a political campaign before, and now they're identifying with Bernie's campaign, so a typical Democrat -- the candidate they've likely supported for their entire life -- now seems like the devil because they're "their first" opponent.

Is this really the way the world works? Man... we have to stress the supreme court thing this year, and how they'll probably be against crap like citizen's united and other anti-worker, anti-health, anti-immigration, anti-education, anti-infrastructure bullshit. Maybe that'll overcome or at least combat gut instincts and unsupportable grudges.

 

[SneakersSO]

Don't think I've seen one person in this thread go after her for being a woman.

I honestly am curious how many do take issue with it and just won't actually admit it.

I don't care that she's a woman. If Elizabeth Warren were on the ticket, i'd vote for her over Bernie Sanders actually.

However, from a lot of people I have spoken to in the lead up to this election, there were quite a few who candidly told me they wouldn't vote Clinton because she's a woman. Many of these were older people,some were women, some were immigrants, some were from minority communities, but it was more frequent than any other particular reason for not voting for Clinton.

 

[Aaronology]

Yeah. The bolded is also a good point. It sort of pokes a whole in the narrative some posters were trying to spin. Not every Trump supporter is a white man. He has an alarming number of support from women and minority groups. I honestly can't say I know why. It's kind of impressive how he gets away with the shit he says.

No, but most are. You're welcome to claim otherwise. I'd like to see your receipts.

 

[SneakersSO]

Is this really the way the world works? Man... we have to stress the supreme court thing this year, and how they'll probably be against crap like citizen's united and other anti-worker, anti-health, anti-immigration, anti-education, anti-infrastructure bullshit. Maybe that'll overcome or at least combat gut instincts and unsupportable grudges.

The Supreme Court thing? Good luck with that. I know full well about it, and I still won't vote Clinton.

 

[Not]

Don't think I've seen one person in this thread go after her for being a woman.

I honestly am curious how many do take issue with it and just won't actually admit it.

It's like being racist, you're now programmed to hide it. Especially on the left.

The Supreme Court thing? Good luck with that. I know full well about it, and I still won't vote Clinton.

You know "full well about it." Do continue.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Yeah. The bolded is also a good point. It sort of pokes a whole in the narrative some posters were trying to spin. Not every Trump supporter is a white man. He has an alarming number of support from women and minority groups. I honestly can't say I know why. It's kind of impressive how he gets away with the shit he says.

There are hateful, ignorant people in every group, not a huge surprise.

Still I'm sure some of the more melanin-kissed supporters get strange looks at rallies lol