Zambayoshi
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This.
Quote from her thesis re pedophilia: "It is not a dangerous condition by itself". (p42 of the link on page 1 of this thread).
That's a pretty controversial (to put it mildly) opinion to have.
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This.
Quote from her thesis re pedophilia: "It is not a dangerous condition by itself". (p42 of the link on page 1 of this thread).
That's a pretty controversial (to put it mildly) opinion to have.
she's been on their radar because she is a very outspoken feminist. Has been for awhile.
awesomegamername
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As a follow up to this, here is her thesis for others to read https://issuu.com/honorsreview/docs/volumeiv/33
Page 42 paragraph 2 reveals some of her stances and beliefs. I'm in no way a fan or supporter of gg but I do believe Nintendo needs to take a very serious look into her passed writings and tweets. Also, if she is a PR person than she absolutely should not be discussing anything even remotely close to those topics on her Twitter account.
DAREALGUMMY
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HUELEN10
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Question: Did you ever post about your academia-minded hot-takes on social media, publicly accessible by all, while being employed by a historically strict company on arguably relevant matters?
I've written scholarly shit that would raise a lot of eyebrows myself, but I don't bring it up, because I know it can be taken out of context.
And for the sake of not being misunderstood...
1. Still not condoning this.
2. Not victim blaming/saying she's asking for it by posting things on twitter.
3. Not up to date on any recent GG happenings since Boogie.
Nights Owl
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This x1,000
That's always the claim they make when criticized (in my experience).
I've never seen them do anything *good* for anybody. If you're slandering people's names and risking their jobs "bcuz vidya gamz" you should just fuck off.
ShockingAlberto
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I remember a Political Theory class that put me in the position of defending evangelical views in U.S. politics. The entire debate was taped and there's an actual record of me explaining how gay marriage erodes morality in society.
I don't believe that at all, but I argued my hardest for it, because that was the assignment. The professor specifically gave me that assignment because I was the most liberal person in that classroom. If someone found that tape, I would probably just go "Yeah, that was me, I argued for that."
As an academic I wouldn't call that a particularly extreme viewpoint. The article goes out of its way to lay out its assumptions and detail all of the ways it could be wrong. You can sum it up as:
- There is zero to limited evidence to suggest that consuming child pornography puts children at risk.
- Given that, there is no need to criminialise possession of child pornography, or the creation of child pornography where real children are not involved.
- If the assumptions prove incorrect (she name-drops Cultivation Theory here) then the criminalisation of possession would be necessary
- More research is required before a more solid conclusion can be drawn.
I'm ideologically opposed to her argument but it's pretty standard.
DecoReturns
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If they fire her outrage. (Unjustified firing, but I doubt they would do that unless they actually have to)
If they don't, harassment that could be worst, not that I see it will, but people are crazy when the Internet allows you to keep typing.
Do I or have I grossly misinterpreted something from those tweets? i'm seriously asking, i'm honestly not in the know about gamergate and i don't have a pitchfork hunting anyone or anything.
This is the first thing I saw on this coming into the thread.
Is it possible she was assigned this in a class.
It's not unusual to have to argue for some bad or horrible moral subject in some classes.
???
i don't know what gamergate quite is and i haven't been involved in that discussion. or the fire emblem discussion. i don't know who this woman is or know about any agenda against her. But if she is arguing in favor of lowering age of consent (which is where i imagine the pedo comments come from?) and laxer porn laws, and also arguing in favor of "depictions of sexualized minors", would Nintendo really want someone like that to represent their company?
Do I or have I grossly misinterpreted something from those tweets? i'm seriously asking, i'm honestly not in the know about gamergate and i don't have a pitchfork hunting anyone or anything.
Its a twitter post of just 140 characters. Do you really think you have the full picture of a nuanced argument from that alone, or are you just deliberately playing naive?
CenturionKei
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Its only disgusting that people are trying to defend a child porn apologist. She should be fired. Dont care about if its shitty Gamergate.
On Twitter she is the realest person. She's very outspoken and passionate about social issues and recommends books on feminism and social issues. And any time any company, even her own, has an opening she's signal boosting to reach women and minorities to join the industry.
No doubt GG is after her.
chaobreaker
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It's on her LinkedIn profile. Nintendo most definitely already know of this thesis of hers.
UncleSporky
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Imagine that these nasty people manage to convince a bunch of average people who don't know much about the situation that Nintendo employs a pedophile and refuses to fire her.
"Oh I won't buy one of those DS things for my kid, I heard the company hires pedos."
which part in particular? the part where she states the definition of what pedophilia is?
ShockingAlberto
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I'm a freelance writer, my personal brand is important. No one has ever asked me about my college papers on social media, but if they did, what am I going to do, lie?
I get the benefit of not being targeted for thorough research because I'm a man who says mean things about video games. Should it ever come up, it comes up, and I imagine I will handle it in the same way of "I argued for these things in academia, yes."
I don't see what's so wrong about that. I could be reading it wrong, but it seems to me like she's saying that we shouldn't demonize people simply for the attraction which they can't help.
It's entirely possible.
The only thing they could possibly use against her is a tweet from 2011 and for all we know her views could have changed between then and now.
What'd Notch say?
Although the tweets (if they are real) represent her time in college/academia, tweeting those things is not a good idea. Especially the second one which is in the present tense without any reference to her studies. Not the best thing to be floating out there on a social media profile imo. It is pretty controversial, so unless you want controversial opinions associated with you, don't post controversial opinions on Twitter, even if they are hypothetical.
I have lots of theoretical ideas about things and actual opinions that are controversial, I don't post them on Twitter. If you have any sort of public presence with your company, it makes absolutely no sense to post anything remotely controversial on social media, imo.
GG is despicable for targeting people and everything else, harassment, death threats, etc. Potentially real violence? I don't know everything about it. I am not at all sympathetic to anything about GG. Just saying those tweets aren't going to do her any favors. Those in academia, I would advise against tweeting about controversial things you are writing about, just realize that they may come back to bite you.
I have lots of theoretical ideas about things and actual opinions that are controversial, I don't post them on Twitter. If you have any sort of public presence with your company, it makes absolutely no sense to post anything remotely controversial on social media, imo.
GG is despicable for targeting people and everything else, harassment, death threats, etc. Potentially real violence? I don't know everything about it. I am not at all sympathetic to anything about GG. Just saying those tweets aren't going to do her any favors. Those in academia, I would advise against tweeting about controversial things you are writing about, just realize that they may come back to bite you.
bigdaddygamebot
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I'm certainly not going to immediately assume she's "pro child porn" but I'd be super-curious to know how she feels about the tweets she made regarding her opinions on it once she has a child of her own.
There's whole collections of her tweets out there and I imagine that most of them in the proper context make sense but there's a couple that I think...well...she's just being stupid and/or trying to rattle people and not much else.
I'm reading her thesis, not even halfway yet and I can't stop cringing.
...This is disturbing
and it comes from a Nintendo employee. wtf
This is the perfect recipe for backlash and bad press.
...This is disturbing
and it comes from a Nintendo employee. wtf
This is the perfect recipe for backlash and bad press.
I hope she leaks NX specs and launch date to spite Nintendo if she gets fired though.
Something about how SJWs should unfollow him because he's always been a GGer.
mugurumakensei
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Is it? Pedophilia isn't a dangerous condition by itself. Acting on it would be. There are plenty of people with pedophilia who have never watched child porn, engaged in sexual relations with a child, and function completely normal in the day to day world.
bigdaddygamebot
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I'm not saying you're wrong...but that's not good enough.
Clearly they have a list of targets yes?
What puts women on that list and what moves them UP the list in terms of priority to harass?
If you really want to get rid of Gamergate...you kindof need to understand how they work.
TheBryanJZX90
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Ugh, gross post.
Halfway through the second page for someone to finally call out Batman. Maybe he has infiltrated gamer gate and is about to bring them down from the inside.
Here's hoping, they are like the human race backwards evolving. I don't understand why we can't make them go away.
Scientist Supreme!
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The people who are arguing that the gaming community/industry didn't just allow GG to happen but also fostered it, need to wake up.
Stop defending it.
Edit: Wow. This victim blaming.
Stop defending it.
Edit: Wow. This victim blaming.
wild wild rice
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Call Al Gore.
Fuck.
MrSaturn99
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Just out of curiosity, how long has the whole "ARGH STOP USING GAMERGATE AS A BOGEYMAN" thing been around for? Been seeing it a lot lately including for this mess.
If the GG stuff is BS, can't Nintendo just ignore them till they go away?
I suppose they're worse than just words if you ignore them?
I remember a lady being threatened once. Was that the same people?
GG is basically in it "for the lulz" at this point. It's really hard to co-ordinate a rabid mob in any direction for actionable change, so what GG does is grabs random shit (in this case, a thesis that some NoA employee wrote) and sees what sticks. It could be an old blog post from someone that works at Microsoft, or a high school newspaper article by someone at Ubisoft, it really doesn't matter. GG is just trawling through detritus and dredging up and slinging about whatever is most likely to get people to yell at each other.
That's definitely a delicate subject. We do definitely demonize those, when in all likelihood they need help but have no way to reach out or discuss it with a therapist or psychiatrist. Instead they're put in jail and crowd the system up along with others that likely need similar psychiatric treatment.
It wouldn't be in academia where they bother to draw the distinction between pedophilia and child molestation. Funnily enough in context...
DecoReturns
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Sure it is.
I wrote a paper in favor of dropping the atomic bomb in Japan.
And another saying that Andrew Jackson was not a terrible person
Did I agree with what I wrote? No I didn't, but it was my assignment
Zeyphersan
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I'm glad to see your priorities are in order. Woman gets fired, I better get my video game info before she goes!
basically that list boils down to feminist/kind of social justicey-> works at game company
The Fire Emblem problem just caused GG to explode for whatever reason. She was being blamed for localization changes even though she is in marketing.
That there are any people on gaf at all who are like "I DON'T AGREE WITH GG buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut" is really fucking disappointing
here's the thing about academia: you only really understand it if you're also in that field of academia. your layperson hot take on gender studies is not informed and not worth basing any real arguments on.
gender studies peeps responses, now that's worth looking at. But some peeps in this thread be sounding like they read a medical paper and are scared of things they kind of comprehend but not really
here's the thing about academia: you only really understand it if you're also in that field of academia. your layperson hot take on gender studies is not informed and not worth basing any real arguments on.
gender studies peeps responses, now that's worth looking at. But some peeps in this thread be sounding like they read a medical paper and are scared of things they kind of comprehend but not really
supermetfreud
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To those of you reading the thesis does it sound like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws
Or is it just an even less nuanced take on 'their cultural values are different.'
Or is it just an even less nuanced take on 'their cultural values are different.'
TheSlySoul
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Pretty much right about that.
Also there are many issues with the paper as in she does not specify that it is talking about art defined as CP. I agree with the fact we cannot force Japan to comply with our laws about it if our laws are vague as crap.
However I really do not want to discuss it. Spent enough time on Twitter dealing with idiots. What someone does in college is no grounds for judging what they do 5 years later...
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