Gamergate convinced an anti-sex trafficking org to join crusade against NoA employee

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Now I'm not saying that's her but gut reaction is, at least to me and paedophiles, to lock them up somewhere. If it's chemical castration so that will never do anything? death sentence? a gun with one bullet? I don't really care, just make them not child molesters and keep them far away from anything I love.

EDIT: should stress that I'm not calling Alison a paedophile. Just talking general terms when I hear about CP

Everyone understands the gut reaction, we all have it. But we should be mature enough to realise that rational thought should triumph over our gut reaction. And rationally there is no just reason a paedophile who has not convicted any crimes should be deprived of the ability to live a life as normal as yours or mine.
 
because if they're comfortable admitting to it and sharing with the world how they'd like to fuck children, I think it's probably a dangerous trajectory they're on.

I have a ton of a sympathy for anyone who is unlucky enough to have the illness and refuses to act upon it - but if they're ever going to think pedophilia as an act is something that should be accepted or embraced, I will not tolerate that under any circumstance.

I think being a pedophile and not seeking help for it is a more dangerous trajectory.
 
because if they're comfortable admitting to it and sharing with the world how they'd like to fuck children, I think it's probably a dangerous trajectory they're on.

I have a ton of a sympathy for anyone who is unlucky enough to have the illness and refuses to act upon it - but if they're ever going to think pedophilia as an act is something that should be accepted or embraced, I will not tolerate that under any circumstance.

Condemning people for being at-risk for committing a crime is a great introduction to horribly inhumane policy.
 
because if they're comfortable admitting to it and sharing with the world how they'd like to fuck children, I think it's probably a dangerous trajectory they're on.

I have a ton of a sympathy for anyone who is unlucky enough to have the illness and refuses to act upon it - but if they're ever going to think pedophilia as an act is something that should be accepted or embraced, I will not tolerate that under any circumstance.

Attitudes like this are the reason why people with mental illness, any mental illness, have such a difficult time getting help in this country. People are so afraid that they'll be stigmatized by their illness that they can't tell anybody. And they're right, because that's how the mentally ill are treated in this country.
 
because if they're comfortable admitting to it and sharing with the world how they'd like to fuck children, I think it's probably a dangerous trajectory they're on.

I have a ton of a sympathy for anyone who is unlucky enough to have the illness and refuses to act upon it - but if they're ever going to think pedophilia as an act is something that should be accepted or embraced, I will not tolerate that under any circumstance.

Pedophilia is not an act though. You cannot pedophile. You can be a pedophile. Though you would assuredly rather not be one. Condemning people just for being pedophiles is magnifying the issue because as a consequence more pedophiles will not seek help in fear of discrimination and as a consequence have a way harder time not to act on it.
 
I really hate when threads like this show up and I feel like I have to either defend gamergate, or defend someone who defends the cultural sexualiztion of 13 year olds in Japan and thinks adult/child consent laws should be relaxed

Everything gets so hostile.

I feel like it's between Gamergate and an accepted thesis that makes a case for cultural imperialism and moral relativism that uses an extremely unpopular and controversial subject as an example. I think the subject of the paper is in incredibly poor taste and the decision to do it idiotic but the reason I haven't brought my thoughts on it until now is because I feel like this is targeted harassment and to criticize the author would be victim blaming. If I actually felt like this was a paper about how awesome the author thought the subject was I would be disgusted and I would be taking a stance against them them but instead I feel it's simply a thesis being a thesis and that GG is more interested in the harassment campaign they launched than the paper itself.
 
Attitudes like this are the reason why people with mental illness, any mental illness, have such a difficult time getting help in this country. People are so afraid that they'll be stigmatized by their illness that they can't tell anybody. And they're right, because that's how the mentally ill are treated in this country.
you're conflating something else with what I wrote.

If someone admits to having those thoughts and wants to seek help, they have my full support.

Otherwise, if a pedophile tries to argue it should be ok to be one, there's no moral way for it to be acceptable.
 
First, being pedophile and being a rapist are still different things, second there is a difference between the stance on child porn (and I would assume this is talking more about manga stuff, not real rape videos of actual human beings) and being pedophile. One is a horrible sexual orientation and I fel bad for anyone who is pedophile, because it basically comes down to suppressing your sexual desires your whole life or being a criminal. One is a criminal act that should justly be punished and that often but not exclusively gets commited by pedophile persons. But one that also does not get commited by all pedophile persons. Lastly, the stance on child porn, or at least the variant where no person was harmed personally (i.e. animations, writing, comics, paintings) is a personal political opinion that shouldn't have an influence on a job.

Even if you associate negative feelings with a term (in this case pedophilia or child porn) you should always stay rational, because you will almost assuredly act unfairly if you don't. Do you feel someone like Rapp, who allegedly is of the opinion certain types of child pornography in other societies should not be criminalised, cannot do her job properly anymore, independent of what it is, and should be gravely punished? Do you feel that someone who is pedophile but never has acted on it and continues to fight his sex drive should be punished for who he is? Independent of the fact that he is a law-abiding person? And just to make this clear: Obviously, pedophile persons should not work at schools, kindergardens or similar work places. But let's say a pedophile worked in Nintendo marketing (again, not claiming Rapp is one, there is absolutely NO indication she is!), I could not care less. And neither should you.

Yoshi I said my gut reaction to this as I believe a few will share. If they haven't acted on it seek help and it's all cool, hopefully.
But my background is with Sida and a lot of work for UNHCR and I saw the real world where this happens and anyone who hasn't lived in there little bubble just seeing their western world or have any global awareness should have seen it as well and if you have? Yeah I'm not thinking about some mentally disturbed person wanting to fuck little kids.
I'm thinking those that already did it. Criminals that deserves no pity.

And as for this hypothetical person that is a paedophile but has never acted on it?
Same as with racists, homophobes and misogynist fucks. I will voice my opinion and call for them to disappear and if it doesn't happen I'm not there any more. best thing I can say is that if they don't act upon their racist, homophobic, misogynist stances or is open with it then I don't care.


One more thing, as for Japan. They are way better than us in the west to meet market demands when it comes to sexuality. I might not like their loli crap but they are better than we are when it comes to satisfying hetero women in the mainstream market. We're getting there but they have been there forever.

Ps. Since when the hell have people started to call paedophilia a sexual orientation?
Don't even try to liken it to homosexuality. It isn't. One is two consenting adults the other is a fucking sick human being that wants to *rape* a child.

Everyone understands the gut reaction, we all have it. But we should be mature enough to realise that rational thought should triumph over our gut reaction. And rationally there is no just reason a paedophile who has not convicted any crimes should be deprived of the ability to live a life as normal as yours or mine.

True enough, with the help of meds or a psychologist that is.

Never mind I thought your response was in regards to the topic of ther paper specifically.

It's late...

And it's early here. Taking a half day though. I need to rest a bit ^^
 
because if they're comfortable admitting to it and sharing with the world how they'd like to fuck children, I think it's probably a dangerous trajectory they're on.

I have a ton of a sympathy for anyone who is unlucky enough to have the illness and refuses to act upon it - but if they're ever going to think pedophilia as an act is something that should be accepted or embraced, I will not tolerate that under any circumstance.

Of all the non-acting pedophiles I've talked to in my adulthood, none of them are proud or comfortable of what they are. Most of them want to or have committed suicide. A friend of mine was one such person, trying to live a normal life with his adult partner (who was aware of his issue) before killing himself.

I want this to be known, that pedophiles exist, that they should come out and say it without fear so they can get help. Keeping them hidden and demonizing them just ends up making things worse where many of them will commit suicide or the heinous act themselves.
 
Well, Nintendo is a private business too. It doesn't matter who's wrong and who's right. If this story is going to end in news I assure you she's getting fired or moved.

Maybe. But this doesn't make it right. As a company you still have a responsibility towards your workers and society and if people are being fromed for something that is none of the company's business, they should not act on the corresponding pressure. And on the flip side, I think digging out such personal stuff just to attack a person and to try to make her life miserable is shit behaviour. I see her work is out in the open already, but as I said, I would completely reject from cooperating with anyone trying to find out what some student wrote or talked about in any of our seminars.
 
because if they're comfortable admitting to it and sharing with the world how they'd like to fuck children, I think it's probably a dangerous trajectory they're on.

I have a ton of a sympathy for anyone who is unlucky enough to have the illness and refuses to act upon it - but if they're ever going to think pedophilia as an act is something that should be accepted or embraced, I will not tolerate that under any circumstance.
We're going full minority report now
 
Don't think so. In his timeline he's talking about thought policing and censorship and " fuck the sissification of society" and all that.

EDIT: He also seems to agree with Boogie on the "neutral" thing which there is no neutral.

Notch isn't ill-intentioned, but he is ludicrously naive, and I think nothing demonstrates that better than the time he unironically tried to challenge Bethesda to a Quake 3 match instead of going to court over the name "Scrolls." Dude got insanely lucky off of a game he made in his spare time in his basement and has no idea how video games are actually made by normal people. His tweet about "obviously being GG from the beginning" is a joke, but nonetheless somehow an even more poorly-phrased one than his infamous "Well we let [REDACTED] the right to vote" one.

At this point the worst of Gamergate are not the pathetic neoreactionaries, but the detached 'answer is somewhere in the middle' libertarian-types who trumpet their indifference while participating wholeheartedly. They are remarkably good at using headlines in their basest, most clickbaity form to make people who "don't care" or "are neutral" on Gamergate to believe their core tenants wholeheartedly.
 
And as for this hypothetical person that is a paedophile but has never acted on it?
Same as with racists, homophobes and misogynist fucks. I will voice my opinion and call for them to disappear and if it doesn't happen I'm not there any more. best thing I can say is that if they don't act upon their racist, homophobic, misogynist stances or is open with it then I don't care

One of these things is not like the other. Pedophilia is nothing like those other three.
 
you're conflating something else with what I wrote.

If someone admits to having those thoughts and wants to seek help, they have my full support.

Otherwise, if a pedophile tries to argue it should be ok to be one, there's no moral way for it to be acceptable.

But that isn't what you wrote at all. What you wrote was "I agree, but I was referring to the idea (or how I interpreted that post) that an openly admitted pedophile should have any position in marketing and whatnot."

Nothing in the post you were referring to or your post ever mentions anything about it being morally ok to be a pedophile. The question was whether or not somebody who admits they are a pedophile, and as stated in the post is actively fighting against that urge, should be allowed to have a job in marketing.
 
Can someone show me were the people acussing her are calling themself gamergate. I not saying anyone is right to accuse her of this but I haven't seen anything that links gamergate to her at all. I don't even see what this has to do with games, these views seem like part of larger more complex issue.
 
I remember a Political Theory class that put me in the position of defending evangelical views in U.S. politics. The entire debate was taped and there's an actual record of me explaining how gay marriage erodes morality in society.

I don't believe that at all, but I argued my hardest for it, because that was the assignment. The professor specifically gave me that assignment because I was the most liberal person in that classroom. If someone found that tape, I would probably just go "Yeah, that was me, I argued for that."
Uh. Seriously mate? I might be screwed if I ever take a Political Theory class. Fuck that. Those words would never come out of my mouth (unless I was mocking an asshole), I don't think I could.

Anyway GGers are hypocrites. What else is new. Sigh.
 
Can someone show me were the people acussing her are calling themself gamergate. I not saying anyone is right to accuse her of this but I haven't seen anything that links gamergate to her at all. I don't even see what this gas to do, these views seem like part of aarger more complex issue.

A ton of randos that showed up in my mentions on Twitter. Even one guy with GG in his name.
 
Can someone show me were the people acussing her are calling themself gamergate. I not saying anyone is right to accuse her of this but I haven't seen anything that links gamergate to her at all. I don't even see what this has to do with games, these views seem like part of larger more complex issue.

The Moment I mentioned gamergate attacking her about 8 hours ago on twitter I have been under a non stop barrage of hate filled tweets. How its gamergate being harassed, threatened etc. How I am a Pedophile defender etc.
 
I reported Walton's post for harassment. It won't matter, because Twitter is pretty much harassment city.

Rapp is rad. I hope Nintendo lays the smack down on this lady who didn't give a flying fuck to research before she flipped her shit.
 
Can someone show me were the people acussing her are calling themself gamergate. I not saying anyone is right to accuse her of this but I haven't seen anything that links gamergate to her at all. I don't even see what this has to do with games, these views seem like part of larger more complex issue.

Dude take like two seconds on Jamie Walton's twitter. She's retweeted a bunch of people with gamergate in their profiles.

Edit - actually just looks like one self-professed GGer retweeted several times.
 
The Moment I mentioned gamergate attacking her about 8 hours ago on twitter I have been under a non stop barrage of hate filled tweets. How its gamergate being harassed, threatened etc. How I am a Pedophile defender etc.
That's typical hate/fascist group behavior on the internet. Randomly mentionned by name a group of French royalists, got fuckers in my mentions taunting me for a couple of days.

Can't imagine what it is with a worldwide hate group of basement dwellers. Fuck GG.
 
The Moment I mentioned gamergate attacking her about 8 hours ago on twitter I have been under a non stop barrage of hate filled tweets. How its gamergate being harassed, threatened etc. How I am a Pedophile defender etc.

Yep, same exact thing happened with me. I had to become Kamiya and block so many people. They kept linking to archives of single posts without a chain as a "gotcha" when I know the one going around I saw back in December was part of much longer set of tweets.
 
Yoshi I said my gut reaction to this as I believe a few will share. If they haven't acted on it seek help and it's all cool, hopefully.
But my background is with Sida and a lot of work for UNHCR and I saw the real world where this happens and anyone who hasn't lived in there little bubble just seeing their western world or have any global awareness should have seen it as well and if you have? Yeah I'm not thinking about some mentally disturbed person wanting to fuck little kids.
I'm thinking those that already did it. Criminals that deserves no pity.
I appreciate your work with UNHCR but I still think it is important to differntiate between different notions in order not to be unfair.

And as for this hypothetical person that is a paedophile but has never acted on it?
Same as with racists, homophobes and misogynist fucks. I will voice my opinion and call for them to disappear and if it doesn't happen I'm not there any more. best thing I can say is that if they don't act upon their racist, homophobic, misogynist stances or is open with it then I don't care.
Homophobes, Misogynists and Racists can inform themselves and change their opinions. I would not want one of any of these three groups in any position of power but if there is someone working in marketing who also happens to have racist positions, well, I hope he gets more educated and rethinks his position, but I would not call for digging out some old work he might have done where one might get the impression he has racist positions and then to fire him just because of that. But even still, there is a huge difference here. Sexual orientation you do not change and cannot (currently) change, not even doctors can cure pedophilia. It does not inherently come with the opinion that it is the right thing to be pedophile. Being racist is characterised by having the opinion that racism is just and therefore it is very unlikely that a racist will not act on it.

Ps. Since when the hell have people started to call paedophilia a sexual orientation?
Don't even try to liken it to homosexuality. It isn't. One is two consenting adults the other is a fucking sick human being that wants to *rape* a child.
Homosexuality, as well as hetereosexuality says nothing about consent. There is hetereosexual rapre, there is homosexual rape. It is an orientation. What you like. Or to put it very bluntly: Who would you like to fuck. No consent being a topic here. The difference is, if you are hetereosexual or homosexual you might be lucky enough to find a consenting partner. If you are pedophile, especially if it is targeting pre-teens, this is impossible. The difference in consent is not inherent to the sexual orientation but to the ramifications on acting on it.
 
I remember a Political Theory class that put me in the position of defending evangelical views in U.S. politics. The entire debate was taped and there's an actual record of me explaining how gay marriage erodes morality in society.

I don't believe that at all, but I argued my hardest for it, because that was the assignment. The professor specifically gave me that assignment because I was the most liberal person in that classroom. If someone found that tape, I would probably just go "Yeah, that was me, I argued for that."
Yeah I remember having a debate about torture and I had to play Devils advocate and be for it. I am sure if that was recorded and taken out of context I'd look like a real ass hat.

Anyways screw GG. This whole thing is a joke.. If this really was all about corruption in game journalism it should have started years ago and not been focused mostly on women.
 
The Moment I mentioned gamergate attacking her about 8 hours ago on twitter I have been under a non stop barrage of hate filled tweets. How its gamergate being harassed, threatened etc. How I am a Pedophile defender etc.
But where is the evidence that they were accusing her in the first place. All you provided evidence of is accusing them and with giving a reason for it. Again I don't think she should be fired, but the only place I this being linked to gamergate is this thread, and with a source that links the two, I believe the accusation is base-less.
 
I reported Walton's post for harassment. It won't matter, because Twitter is pretty much harassment city.

Rapp is rad. I hope Nintendo lays the smack down on this lady who didn't give a flying fuck to research before she flipped her shit.

You hope someone who fights against sex trafficking and the sexual abuse of children gets a smack down?

Is that going to be like when the church of scientology defunded the cult awareness network through lawsuits and then proceeded to purchase them?
 
One is two consenting adults the other is a fucking sick human being that wants to *rape* a child.

I understand that you have seen stuff that many of us have not, but it worries me when it seems like exposure like that makes one overly jaded. Those that commit the act are horrible without question. But even though you say you are talking about those that have already committed the act, it reads a lot as though you believe every pedophile is a likely offender.

Between that and the frank language you use towards them, it makes me wonder if you would rather try to help them before they act or if some part of you would rather just lock them all away just in case. You yourself have admitted that when you hear the word, you assume the worst. And I do understand that in your work you have likely seen horrible things. But even as a victim of abuse myself, I can't help but think that we don't do enough to help them. Hell, who knows, if someone could have helped my abuser it might have saved me.

Regardless, all of this is off topic.

This hypothetical offender does not exist. Instead we have someone who simply may not have thought through their thesis enough in college. Is that truly worth someone losing their job over?
 
Can someone show me were the people acussing her are calling themself gamergate. I not saying anyone is right to accuse her of this but I haven't seen anything that links gamergate to her at all. I don't even see what this has to do with games, these views seem like part of larger more complex issue.

Hahahahaha
 
But where is the evidence that they were accusing her in the first place. All you provided evidence of is accusing them and with giving a reason for it. Again I don't think she should be fired, but the only place I this being linked to gamergate is this thread, and with a source that links the two, I believe the accusation is base-less.

Because she's been a target of GamerGate for like 8 months now and they tweet her non-stop and she also talks about it herself and what GG often try to do to women and minorities.
 
Is this officially the stupidest, least self-aware that GG has ever been? Holy balls.

No, that would have to be when one of them tweeted this gem to me:

"That's the beauty of #GamerGate. Homophobes, supremacists, we don't discriminate. Everyone is allowed in."

Thanks for the evidence.

Gamergate gets their deniability from not having structure. But at the same time, they don't give a fuck who uses the tag for what.

And they even tag themselves as GG in the tweets.
 
Damn, I hope things end well for her.

Also, the people attacking her for her thesis seems to me like the sort of people who'd demonize, like, defense attorneys and such for doing their jobs
 
Just took a bit to read thru that thesis and all GG bullshit aside, it'd be hard for a stockholder owned company like NoA to power through having one of their spokepersons taking the view that child pornography possession isn't that big a deal. she uses the terms "mere possession" at least a couple times when referring to people in possession of child porn and she puts forward the idea that viewing child porn is not akin to participating in sexual child abuse.

the optics of it are terrible for a company whose products are marketed primarily towards children based in a country that is often viewed as lax with regards to their policing of child porn.

Hopefully, they give Rapp a soapbox to stand on and defend her position but if this makes even the tiniest of mainstream news, they'll probably have to cut her loose.
 
You hope someone who fights against sex trafficking and the sexual abuse of children gets a smack down?

Is that going to be like when the church of scientology defunded the cult awareness network through lawsuits and then proceeded to purchase them?

I honestly just wonder Miss Walton's true motivations. She has been caught conversing on Gamergate forums. She has at her own admission attacked someone before like a rabid dog over false pedophile accusations and now yet again jumps at the chance to attack a Gamergate target on Pedophile accusations.

Is she a legitimate voice of concern or is she a convenient puppet to try and bring legitimacy to a hate group
 
Can someone show me were the people acussing her are calling themself gamergate. I not saying anyone is right to accuse her of this but I haven't seen anything that links gamergate to her at all. I don't even see what this has to do with games, these views seem like part of larger more complex issue.
Here's an example.

https://twitter.com/Tenkay23/status/704901913297469440?s=17

Read my timeline with Ricky lol. Some random dude.
 
I think being a pedophile and not seeking help for it is a more dangerous trajectory.

If you never do anything even closely related to actually committing (or planning to) the crime, I think it's fine. You can't arrest people for thought crimes.

You've never been so angry with a person that you could hit them, but restrained yourself, for example?
 
I honestly just wonder Miss Walton's true motivations. She has been caught conversing on Gamergate forums. She has at her own admission attacked someone before like a rabid dog over false pedophile accusations and now yet again jumps at the chance to attack a Gamergate target on Pedophile accusations.

Is she a legitimate voice of concern or is she a convenient puppet to try and bring legitimacy to a hate group
At best her actions are highly irresponsible.

Also, there has never been a more transparent defense attempt than "I protect children" when your actions come under criticism.
 
You hope someone who fights against sex trafficking and the sexual abuse of children gets a smack down?

Is that going to be like when the church of scientology defunded the cult awareness network through lawsuits and then proceeded to purchase them?

In this case, yes. She's wrong and having a knee-jerk reaction. Again. It's laughable when she tweeted that she was wrong before and she'll "apologize" if (when) she's wrong again.

Yes yes, an apology will definitely make everything better here.
 
Homosexuality, as well as hetereosexuality says nothing about consent. There is hetereosexual rapre, there is homosexual rape. It is an orientation. What you like. Or to put it very bluntly: Who would you like to fuck. No consent being a topic here. The difference is, if you are hetereosexual or homosexual you might be lucky enough to find a consenting partner. If you are pedophile, especially if it is targeting pre-teens, this is impossible. The difference in consent is not inherent to the sexual orientation but to the ramifications on acting on it.



Fair point for homosexuality and heterosexuality which doesnt equal to consent but you're missing some key point here. Pedophilia is by definition the lack of consent because by definition, pre-teen have no consent. This is the reason why the law is applied differently depending of your age, because the law consider you dont have the age to understand.

Pedophilia targets people under the age of consent by definition, so they cant ever be consenting. No consent means rape. And let's not start calling pedophilia a sexual orientation. This is wrong on every level.
 
Fucking hell, just someone make another thread for the pedo and child molestar arguememts. It doesn't have anything to do with this, and though it is a discussion worth having, not here.
 
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