Gamergate convinced an anti-sex trafficking org to join crusade against NoA employee
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John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Why do we let these threads stay open for so long? Serious question. I just don't get it. It's either only drive by posts or "debate" that leads to shaming or hunting real people down. It was scary before and it's not much less so now.
Bumbletron
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Fair enough. Honestly, I know I may have been a bit harsher than I needed to be, but it is a sensitive issue to me. I just feel as though we should do a lot more to help them out, because the only other alternative we have is to lock them up after they have committed the act. And not only does that set them up to fail, but it means we are allowing many more children to be victims of abuse. I know it sounds more idealist than locking them all up, but pragmatically we have no other choice. It's not ethical to lock people up before they do anything wrong, and right now we just wait for something to happen. I'd rather try to fix the situation by providing help than sit by and wait for the next victim.
You seem okay for a so-called 'cynical bastard'
. And I appreciate your work. Glad we see eye to eye on the actual topic of Alison Rapp as well.
IrishNinja
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the remnants of gg continue to embarrass - the sad, desperate cries of an AV club not wanting others to partake their favorite thing.
it's only been useful for finding who's not worth paying attention to online - apparently notch may've jumped on the bandwagon a bit late? shame if so, minecraft was brilliant
it's only been useful for finding who's not worth paying attention to online - apparently notch may've jumped on the bandwagon a bit late? shame if so, minecraft was brilliant
This is wrong. You are taught not to use I in writing academic papers. You certainly don't use "I believe" in situations where you personally believe the opposite.
I agree. It's an academic paper and should be treated as such. I do believe however that the view she's arguing is her own. There are certain aspects of the paper that sell it as such and ones that typically aren't found in academic papers i.e. the use of I (which is a big nono in academic papers), the use of biased adjectives like mere, simple etc. NoA is gonna have to deal with the situation, with someone whose thesis contains this:
It's just a bad look.
Move her to localization, everyone wins except GG! \o/
A Link to the Past
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You know, it's always interesting that the group that so constantly tries to get people strung up for absurd, alleged child porn accusations congregates on a website that has a section devoted to talking about how much they love child porn.
Video game-focused hate group
Video game-focused hate group
I'm an absolute idiot when it comes to GamerGate. I read a wikipedia article each time I come across the name. Don't even know who are the good guys people.
Also the way it is used sometimes to convey the people behind it instead of the "event" like normally any "gate" suffix does, adds to my confusion. The "gate" is supposed to denote the event.
Also the way it is used sometimes to convey the people behind it instead of the "event" like normally any "gate" suffix does, adds to my confusion. The "gate" is supposed to denote the event.
A Link to the Past
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If you have a trigger, just assume that this covers them all.
This should hopefully help you understand
It is a shame that people feel like they have to ruin others lives when they are slighted. It honestly baffles my mind that people can do this and at the end of the day be satisfied with what they have done..
I'm hoping Nintendo would not irrationally fire anyone, and at the very least I want to say that there will be effort put into the situation to check the claims. I guess only time will tell
I'm hoping Nintendo would not irrationally fire anyone, and at the very least I want to say that there will be effort put into the situation to check the claims. I guess only time will tell
Fair enough. Honestly, I know I may have been a bit harsher than I needed to be, but it is a sensitive issue to me. I just feel as though we should do a lot more to help them out, because the only other alternative we have is to lock them up after they have committed the act. And not only does that set them up to fail, but it means we are allowing many more children to be victims of abuse. I know it sounds more idealist than locking them all up, but pragmatically we have no other choice. It's not ethical to lock people up before they do anything wrong, and right now we just wait for something to happen. I'd rather try to fix the situation by providing help than sit by and wait for the next victim.
You seem okay for a so-called 'cynical bastard'
Nah I'm just tired and the air quickly escapes me when it comes to this. I'm not crying but it isn't far of. I just can't deal with it and rationality goes out the window and I it isn't something I'm proud of.
I fully see the situation where stigmatizing people into oblivion will make them go underground and there they have an even smaller chance to get help and I still behave like a Rhino during a fire. I will try and get better. Hopefully.
Anyway, I actually think I'm going to cook for myself now. I need food.
Thanks. Really despicable stuff. (Though the fact that GamerGate refers to the people instead of the event (or series of related events) still grinds my gears.)
Way to take a quote out of context. She argues how more legislation against simple possession(which could mean so many things) of child pornography will not magically solve some of the issues legislation aims to address. If you bother to read the dissertation, it may be poorly written, but it conveys the idea that even with strict child pornography laws, some Western countries have more instances of child abuse/child prostitution/child trafficking compared to a country with lax CP legislation like Japan. The argument that more laws solve the problem is a red herring. I may personally disagree, but I am far from saying she is advocating for more child porn.
TheBryanJZX90
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You can have fun by just referring to them by two random or nonsense words that start with g. I like grumplegramps.
I did not take the quote out of context and I certainly did read the entire thesis. I understand fully what her argument is. The context the quote is used in, which you completely overlook, is: how will NoA react to someone who has that line in their thesis, because I can guarantee, if it makes it into any critical news media, it's not going to be presented with a full analysis of her paper.
https://twitter.com/notch/status/704936215259324417?lang=en
Looks like Notch is just jerking people around. Now he's asking everyone GG related to unfollow him because he decided he's an SJW now.
Either it was a backpedal, or he's just trolling social media and wants people to stop screaming at him about this stuff.
I bring it up because a ton of people have been talking about Notch being a GG supporter in this thread.
Looks like Notch is just jerking people around. Now he's asking everyone GG related to unfollow him because he decided he's an SJW now.
Either it was a backpedal, or he's just trolling social media and wants people to stop screaming at him about this stuff.
I bring it up because a ton of people have been talking about Notch being a GG supporter in this thread.
Eolz
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Yep, basically.
People don't seem to understand the impact this would have once it starts hitting more mainstream publications. It's a doom or be doomed situation. Best she can hope for is either being moved discretly in another division, or Nintendo's HR helping her get a job in another company, like good HR services usually do.
Whether you agree with what she said , if it's academix or not, the phrasing is too ambiguous to risk it in a company like this. Wouldn't be surprising nor something to really blame them for really :/ .
Edit: out of this thread now. There's nothing else to say on this topic until there's more news really.
There is no way Nintendo won't let her go if this story picks up on larger places. Even this GAF thread is given the thing more exposure by the minute.
If bigger news outlet report on it there is no way Nintendo will want to deal with that type of damage control.
I hope I'm wrong... But it's just a very bad look in the eyes of people that didn't dig deeper. So if this reaches Japan... Well it sucks.
If bigger news outlet report on it there is no way Nintendo will want to deal with that type of damage control.
I hope I'm wrong... But it's just a very bad look in the eyes of people that didn't dig deeper. So if this reaches Japan... Well it sucks.
Yeah, If you watch the video he posted I think he is more taking a middle ground stance by attempting to point out that both GG and Anti-GG are just "thought germs" that are kept alive because of emotional pandering or something. I think he was trying to prove that point by riling people up.
At this point notch is just a sad dude with lots of money and nothing salient to say. He's just trying to be edgy by saying that "every side is wrong I'm 2deep4u".
The most wit he can muster is coming back at people who call him a millionaire by correcting them with "Billionaire". Wow the edge.
The "what's GamerGate??" posts are pretty grating too, considering how long this has been going on. I get that you can't come down too hard on people, but if someone's wired in tight enough to have a GAF account, I kind of also expect the same level of social/political awareness to have passing familiarity with GG.
And I didn't even know he posted a video, I only rarely go on Twitter. I'll check it out.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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How much pull do you think Gamergate has with actual media? Nintendo will look into this, actually read things, and handle it appropriately. No croc tears necessary.
A Link to the Past
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And it sure is coincidental that a group that defends purveyors of child pornography so often tries to rail claims of CP against its critics
Sapphire Dreams
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Agreed. These threads are a minefield.
Hey! Time for a fun fact! Your anti-child porn warrior hero? She's been contributing to targeted harassment of marginalized people for a long-ass while. Much like Gamergate, it's the same shit, with the shiny new coat of paint opportunism provides.
Crash Station
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I think the idea that Rapp's views are opposite her thesis is kind of weird. She's been consistent about them on Twitter and elsewhere in regards to depictions of children and consent laws. Her views on live-action child porn are ambiguous beyond consumption not being as bad as creation (which should be obvious), but she absolutely supports depictions of it in fictional and artistic works.
Anyway, as has been said this thread is only going to draw more attention to the debacle and may very well cost Rapp her job if it gets much bigger and makes its way into the mainstream. GAF alone wouldn't be the reason it gets more coverage elsewhere, but it would definitely contribute.
Anyway, as has been said this thread is only going to draw more attention to the debacle and may very well cost Rapp her job if it gets much bigger and makes its way into the mainstream. GAF alone wouldn't be the reason it gets more coverage elsewhere, but it would definitely contribute.
Yeah, for many things they do there at least seems to be some underlying (even if often disagreeable) concept. In this particular case it just doesn't make the least bit of sense.
Triggerhappytel
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I've mostly stayed out of it too. As far as I can tell, it's a very large group of vicious men and boys who hate women involved in games and make it their life's missions to undermine, harass and threaten those women. There are also a lot of people who really hate Anita Sarkeesian and go to great lengths to deconstruct and analyse every single thing she says and does.
It's really pathetic. They're terrified of equality, it would seem.
Actually I remember the first thread about GG inviting people who haven't heard about it to keep it that way
It's also a minefield, a lot of people outside GAF being sympathizers or apologists, and with a lot of info about what GG has been doing being dragged down on search engines
Everywhere else on the internet is full of pro-ggers. It's nice to have somewhere where it's so clear GG is not welcome.
Fantastapotamus
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Ah, nothing like waking up to the fucking stupidest thing ever.
What the fuck is even going on.
What the fuck is even going on.
Valjean Lafitte
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For those of you who didn't read the whole paper, this would seem to be the part from which they're inferring that she's a pedophile sympathizer:
HP_Wuvcraft
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I've been in conversations with Gators the have had such actual phrases as:
* "Feminist incursion"
* "Activision will find out real quick that they can't sell copies of Call of Duty: Inclusion"
* "Females only started getting interested in geek stuff in 2002"
* "I've heard the same rumors about female devs being made fun of"
* "It goes against biology"
* "We're literally saving the world from misguided minority groups"
* "It's too bad that Ferguson had to fall to the ills of SJWs"
But I do love how Kojima would block GGers and they would keep justifying why he was blocking them.
Mike Morheim famously referenced the group at BlizzCon 2014(?). He didn't say "GamerGate" explicitly, but everyone that saw it got what he meant and I think he clarified that to Geoff Keighley later. It was a moment.
Holy crap, what the hell is wrong with some people?!
I can only hope Alison holds on and doesn't let these vicious little shits upset her/ lose her job.
These internet crusades die out quickly enough, they'll soon move onto the next thing, even if it seems like an eternity when you're at the centre of it (through no fault of your own!). I can only suggest to not even bother entertaining GamerGate with a response, replying would only legitimise them in their eyes.
Hopefully Nintendo supports her and doesn't feel pressured by a disgusting hate group to fire her. I don't know to what extent Alison is being harassed, although I doubt with GamerGate it's only restricted to twitter, perhaps the police can assist if the harassment pours over into everyday life.
I can only hope Alison holds on and doesn't let these vicious little shits upset her/ lose her job.
These internet crusades die out quickly enough, they'll soon move onto the next thing, even if it seems like an eternity when you're at the centre of it (through no fault of your own!). I can only suggest to not even bother entertaining GamerGate with a response, replying would only legitimise them in their eyes.
Hopefully Nintendo supports her and doesn't feel pressured by a disgusting hate group to fire her. I don't know to what extent Alison is being harassed, although I doubt with GamerGate it's only restricted to twitter, perhaps the police can assist if the harassment pours over into everyday life.
Zambayoshi
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It's a hair-thin difference between calling for legalization of possession and calling for possession not to be criminalized.
These online mobs are so quick to call for someones firing for just having the wrong opinions. It seems like these people are starting to emulate the social justice advocate tactics that they rightly criticize so often. I don't know the full arguments but I read through some of Alison Rapp's thesis and it seems to me that her ideas would actually line up with a lot of the anti-censorship people. I'm guessing that they are probably seeing some hypocrisy with NoA's recent game localization efforts and employing someone like Rapp who holds quite contradictory views.
Guardian Monkey
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Honestly its a stupid topic to get involved in especially if you can not articulate what your stance is. If she was fired then it would have been cleared by HR through Nintendo which probably means there is more than we know to this. If Nintendo did this without basis then they would end up in a massive suit.
GamerGate are basically a force of evil, so i'm not surprised there, but this anti-sex trafficking organization isn't used to doing some research, before picking up their pitchforks and nooses? Especially if the source of the accusation is GamerGate related (one google search away).
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