Gamergate convinced an anti-sex trafficking org to join crusade against NoA employee
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JasoNsider
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Just remember, the conservative types have been attacking her long before they had a banner saying "gamergate" to unify them. Here's a doc she wrote long ago about some of the hate (edit: and gross stuff) she received in a day.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gbxp7Ys6ftqNmqYa_dXBJ4gdUMuHB_b3ee1AmgDx1W0/edit?pli=1
Spoiler pull-quote:
"those tattoos. Absolutely fucking disgusting. If I were her dad I'd be so disappointed.
second. i hope that filthy SJW gets fired"
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gbxp7Ys6ftqNmqYa_dXBJ4gdUMuHB_b3ee1AmgDx1W0/edit?pli=1
Spoiler pull-quote:
"those tattoos. Absolutely fucking disgusting. If I were her dad I'd be so disappointed.
second. i hope that filthy SJW gets fired"
The person involved with the charity is linked to GG, so knows what they're doing and is intentionally riling them up.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
Silver Arrows
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Has anybody come into the thread to shit it up with the 'tolerate intolerance!' and 'try to respectfully debate them!' garbage like the last GG thread? Because if so, look at this and tell me if you still believe that to be the case.
KojiKnight
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So I'm reading this thesis... and I'm not seeing what a lot of other people are seeing... I think partly because I'm reading the whole thing instead of just skimming and picking one or two lines that, outside of context, appear damming.
For instance, I saw someone quote this line...
"It is not a dangerous condition in and of itself" in reference to pedophilia... but intentionally ignore the fact that she's using a text book definition for the term, which means it's only about the thought of the individual, not the action.
I can think about going into work and shooting one of my coworkers because they annoy me, but that doesn't make me necessarily dangerous by merely thinking it. Now, if this is a consistent issue, the correct response from an outside observer should be to push me to get psychological help.
This is part of the problem that a lot of people with mental illnesses in the west (depression, PTSD, social anxieties) have, but is especially bad for those with 'taboo' thoughts that need help (pedophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, etc). Simply having the thoughts doesn't mean they are harmful if they haven't acted on them, BUT it can be exceptionally difficult for these people to seek or obtain help, which is more likely to push them into actually acting which is where the real problem is.
The issue at the heart of the thesis is that by having such strict laws on mere possession of CP (often times not even of real children, but manga or computer generated as well) as most western countries currently do, you're not actually helping to eliminate the problem. It's just driving the people who consume the material without producing it underground, keeping them from seeking help that could prevent them from becoming producers in the future. While there is no hard evidence in the thesis (as far as I've read) to support this claim (partially due to the nature of the subject, it's incredibly hard to do reliable studies on), it is using correlation to the fact there are far more reported instances of child sexual abuse in western countries than Japan as a reason why such laws would be at best ineffectual, or at worse a contributing factor.
Now, whether this is all sound, or if you agree with it or not is going to, of course, depend on individual viewpoints... but nothing about the thesis itself is pro-child pornography. No where in it does it advocate the production or dissemination or abuse of children. It's only a critical look at Western anti-possession laws and how cultural imperialism is being used to push similar laws in Japan.
That said, for anyone inclined to paint her as a pedophile, or pro-CP... there are a LOT of easy to grab lines that can be taken out of context to paint her as such.. which is what is happening here.
Going to finish up the last few pages and see if I suddenly stumble upon the hidden pro-child porn angle.
For instance, I saw someone quote this line...
"It is not a dangerous condition in and of itself" in reference to pedophilia... but intentionally ignore the fact that she's using a text book definition for the term, which means it's only about the thought of the individual, not the action.
I can think about going into work and shooting one of my coworkers because they annoy me, but that doesn't make me necessarily dangerous by merely thinking it. Now, if this is a consistent issue, the correct response from an outside observer should be to push me to get psychological help.
This is part of the problem that a lot of people with mental illnesses in the west (depression, PTSD, social anxieties) have, but is especially bad for those with 'taboo' thoughts that need help (pedophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, etc). Simply having the thoughts doesn't mean they are harmful if they haven't acted on them, BUT it can be exceptionally difficult for these people to seek or obtain help, which is more likely to push them into actually acting which is where the real problem is.
The issue at the heart of the thesis is that by having such strict laws on mere possession of CP (often times not even of real children, but manga or computer generated as well) as most western countries currently do, you're not actually helping to eliminate the problem. It's just driving the people who consume the material without producing it underground, keeping them from seeking help that could prevent them from becoming producers in the future. While there is no hard evidence in the thesis (as far as I've read) to support this claim (partially due to the nature of the subject, it's incredibly hard to do reliable studies on), it is using correlation to the fact there are far more reported instances of child sexual abuse in western countries than Japan as a reason why such laws would be at best ineffectual, or at worse a contributing factor.
Now, whether this is all sound, or if you agree with it or not is going to, of course, depend on individual viewpoints... but nothing about the thesis itself is pro-child pornography. No where in it does it advocate the production or dissemination or abuse of children. It's only a critical look at Western anti-possession laws and how cultural imperialism is being used to push similar laws in Japan.
That said, for anyone inclined to paint her as a pedophile, or pro-CP... there are a LOT of easy to grab lines that can be taken out of context to paint her as such.. which is what is happening here.
Going to finish up the last few pages and see if I suddenly stumble upon the hidden pro-child porn angle.
It's even more stupid than that.
The reason they are going after her is because they think she is responsible for the removal of the pedophiliac costumes.
It's mind boggling.
EDIT: removal of the costumes
They think that a PR person has any sway in the development of a videogame?
they are some ridiculous self parody of themselves now.
They don't care.
She's a woman working for a video game company.
To them, she must be destroyed.
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A bunch of dumb-as-a-rock misogynistic gamers can't understand a thesis paper properly. Who woulda thunk.
In a rational world, this "controversy" would die immediately as people would realize the accusation is once again a complete lie, but these monkeys will continue shouting at everything that moves (...and is female) until they see blood.
Urgh. How come such a fun hobby attract such a disgusting crowd...
John Kowalski
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I have a hard time believing GG believes anything at all. It's frankly obvious that they do not have an ideological code, though they do have implicit ideologies running throughout their actions. But insofar as promoting anything at all? That's not what they're doing. They're just reaching for grabs, trying to twist putatively progressive terms and values such that they can be used against progressives (e.g. politically correct, SJW, etc.), as has been historically true of American politics.
If nothing else, this demonstrates the true vacuousness of their actions. They are nothing, icons of childlike self entitlement.
JAV Actress
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Why is she being called a "pedophile"? Google isn't yielding much result (well for the subject at hand, anyway).
KojiKnight
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This... it's a bunch of drunks at a bar just itching for a fight... Then trying to justify their actions the next morning. Of course all of their 'friends' are going to back them up even if the story is BS, they just want in on the fight themselves.
Basically people skimming a college thesis of hers and taking quotes out of context.
And lets not forget their home base is 8chan. A site previously famous for search engine bans because of their own issues with cp.
Like what in the god damn.
she wrote a college thesis about CP laws, arguing that imposing western legislation on japan might be ineffective and counterproductive
KojiKnight
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The thesis is posted somewhere in the first few pages, I just finished reading it and it can be summed up as "Western laws on CP possession aren't necessarily effective and shouldn't be guilt tripped onto Japan or other countries"
John Kowalski
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Why? Because they can instrumentalize it as a weapon for harassment. Everything else is secondary.
They go after anyone labelled as the SJW bad guys and support anyone against them. They do it blindly. And companies and celebrities have discovered it's an easy way to become relevant too, since GG dogpiles support like crazy.
JAV Actress
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I found some of the tweets, pretty... Uh questionable to say the least. But I haven't read the thesis yet, will later today if I had time.
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Fighting "censorship" by getting someone fired over opinions they don't even understand sure makes the gators sound like a group of intelligent individuals. Yup, they sure are coherent.
I wonder how Nintendo will react. The accusations of course hold no water, but Nintendo is so protective of its image that I'm afraid they might decide to do something if (when) these clowns continue shouting "paedophilia!" for days and days...
bulletbill10
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I just wanted to say I really appreciate your review of the thesis, since it's long and I can't read it at work. It sounds like a pretty good topic for a graduate paper in the first place, coming from a mental health perspective.
The fact that even in this thread some have sided with them and even use the "as a parent" line, just show that is everywhere.
Then again people in here have a tendency to reply to thread titles; expecting them to read explanations, or a thesis would be near impossible. So, the lines without context serve them their purpose.
KojiKnight
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The tweets are, like all tweets, limited to 140 characters and are covering a very in-depth and hard to brooch subject with a ton of taboos behind it... It's not really fair to judge the stance on them alone.
That said, I don't expect a lot of people to read her thesis and agree with it, I certainly don't... but there is nothing about what she's saying that paints her as pro-pedophile.
John Kowalski
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It's really confusing that people in general acknowledge the inherent levity of posting on twitter but are still adamant about giving them more importance than they themselves acknowledge to be there.
Yeah, it's kinda weird. If I was Nintendo, I probably wouldn't hire someone who wrote her thesis arguing for laxer laws on child pornography and advocated lowering the age of consent... That's pretty sketchy, even if there's no real malevolence behind it.
But if I was someone who wanted to ensure the freedom of expression at all costs, which GG supposedly does, shouldn't I support laxer laws on such content? I don't know if it's still the case now, but at the time GG blew up, 8chan was a cesspool of child pornography. Well, not really pornography, because that's illegal. But there were boards dedicated to suggestive images of children. 8chan isn't GG, but it still seems pretty hypocritical. Isn't GG vehemently against the censorship in Xenoblade Chronicles and such? So they should support her thesis.
Seems like she just happened to say something completely unrelated to her thesis which caught GG's ire, and they're just using the pedophilia angle to get her fired.
GG needs to be judicially labeled as a hate organization.
Whatever the legal status of white power groups are, they need to be included.
You have plenty of plataforms (including neogaf) to discuss censorship, localization, sexism and gaming jounarlism.
Associating yourself with a group who is nothing more than organized and politically motivated cyber bullying against women working on the gaming industry should automatically exclude you from these discussions the same way we don't invite neonazis to talk about race relations.
Whatever the legal status of white power groups are, they need to be included.
You have plenty of plataforms (including neogaf) to discuss censorship, localization, sexism and gaming jounarlism.
Associating yourself with a group who is nothing more than organized and politically motivated cyber bullying against women working on the gaming industry should automatically exclude you from these discussions the same way we don't invite neonazis to talk about race relations.
It doesn't seem like it. It is 100% this.
That's exactly what is happening. Anyone dazzled by the thesis misdirection enough to entertain her termination is being hoodwinked. She's being targeted because she is an outspoken, front-facing PR representative who also happens to be a woman.
The guy who was arguing with me last night sent me this.
https://twitter.com/rickkytheg/status/704927387235053568
WTF GAF.
I thought you were better than that.
That anti CP organisation is shite if they fall for the "ephebophiles" of GG on a hunt for another woman working in the industry.
This is a new low for the Wayne people, way to tarnish the name associated with Batman.
KojiKnight
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I'm not Allison, nor do I claim to know where she stands on the issue... but having done research for an unrelated project (oh god... how many watch lists did I just end up on?) she may on the age of consent issue may be referring to the fact that in some states in the US, it's illegal for 16 year olds to have sex with 18 year olds, even if the two were a couple and having sex before he second party turned 18.
Again though, it was a single tweet without any context... so she may have been referring to lowering the age to 12 year olds and I may be defending a horrible monster!
These types of issues are really hard taboos in the West, and not without good reason... If things are too vague, real children and teenagers can be hurt and taken advantage of and no one wants that... but by making them off limits entirely, we also ignore a lot of problems that can occur in our current system, and prevent people who need help from even being able to seek it... so I'm not entirely unsympathetic to her thesis and (what I assume) is her stance.
(edit) And for anyone curious, not that it should really matter, yes I am also a father. You can be a parent and still read and understand someone's opinion on such a difficult subject without immediately shutting down from the topic alone.
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As far as I know, it's not related to her work in any way. How often do employers look at their employees' old school papers to make sure they don't hold any potentially controversial point of view?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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They were on SPLC Hatewatch at one time, but it never went farther than that.
nowhere in those posts does she say it's ok for adults to have sex with minors
i disagree with the top right one, unless she's referring to a specific case and the "guy" she's referring to is like 19 or something
otherwise it's utterly ridiculous to call her a pedo or pedo enabler based on that
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Weren't these guys proud to depict themselves as supposedly "sex positive"? And they're seriously panicking over this? I mean, have no problem believing most of them never had sex before 18, but this outrage goes against what they pretended to be about previously.
(lol, why do I always act as if there was any logic or coherence to their misogynistic which hunt...)
EDIT: Oh boy, didn't see the account description. These guys really are proud to be human trash, it's quite something...
Doc Holliday
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The internet has sure gotten weird :/
This is some some sad shit.
This is some some sad shit.
also it reminds me of this: http://www.avclub.com/article/patton-oswalt-won-twitter-over-the-weekend-with-a--101788
Foxmonsieur
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Thanks KojiKnight for your review, it helps to explain some facts.
A thesis is an intellectual exercise where criticism and analysis are based on facts, and don't reflects personal opinions.
You can write a thesis about the KKK, describe how their groups help families in financial difficulties and explain their good behaviour on this point, the facts are that they only help white families endorsing their politics of white supremacy.
Gators are playing a politic game with false statements and tons of harrassment, they are disgusting sack of sh*t.
It's not about ethics or games, it's about evil sacks of sh*t playing without courage and brain.
A thesis is an intellectual exercise where criticism and analysis are based on facts, and don't reflects personal opinions.
You can write a thesis about the KKK, describe how their groups help families in financial difficulties and explain their good behaviour on this point, the facts are that they only help white families endorsing their politics of white supremacy.
Gators are playing a politic game with false statements and tons of harrassment, they are disgusting sack of sh*t.
It's not about ethics or games, it's about evil sacks of sh*t playing without courage and brain.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
It be even nicer to have somewhere where their is no fuel to stroke those fans at all
JasoNsider
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I've never seen such blatant selective quoting. Take notice the highlight in the top right, folks. The highlighted part says:
"Men who like kids"
WHOA.
The real quote is
"men who like kids/kid things"
Oh... And in context of the full quote:
"Don't hate on sex workers, furries, women with big boobs, men who like kids/kid things, ppl who like pop music, romance plots etc."
...is even more harmless and is something we could all hopefully rally around as a positive, progressive view.
This is what I meant before that she speaks often about acceptance. So many people are tuning in just now and are missing what she has been speaking to for a long time. Part of the message has been she doesn't want judgement cast on people and would rather have more acceptance. Acceptance for body types, acceptance of gender or gender-fluidity, even acceptance of allowing men to not be so institutionally "masculine". This is just ripe for selective quoting in a bumbling attempt at character assassination.
Great notes, KojiKnight.
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