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I'm 30 and have never moved out

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How many baby birds stay in their parent's nest forever?

CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

But seriously, it's the natural order of things to stretch your own wings and fly. How many of you that still live at home have parents that were still living with THEIR parents at your age? Very few, I reckon. Like I said early in the thread, this is a very millennial thing.
 
I don't understand this idea that you can't have freedom or independence while living with your parents. Some people are acting like you are somehow 'wasting' your 20s living at home. What the heck is the difference? I still do what I want, go out when I want, stay up as late as I want, sleep when I want, see friends when I want. My mom doesn't cook me food, or do my laundry or wash my dishes or pay my bills. When I lived on my own, there was zero real difference in freedom or independence for me, just increased bills.
Yes, if you have controlling or sheltering parents then I can understand the desire to move away. I know other people who have lived with their parents in their 20s, but still had rules about how late they could stay up etc. But not every body is like that, and it is weird to see people talking like you have to move out and struggle to make ends meet in order to grow as a person.
Don't get me wrong, I would prefer to live on my own for the extra privacy and not having to do tasks for my mother, and I will hopefully be moving out again next month. But I really don't think there is anything wrong with living with your parents and saving money.

Well I'm single now so this is not an issue atm, but when I was in a relationship it made a huge difference once I got my own place. Being able to have loud sex whenever we wanted was a major step up from the days of having to wait until my parents fell asleep and then trying not to bang too hard in case they heard the bed rocking/my gf moaning.

Now that I'm single (and this is as an American) I definitely feel much more confident in my dating chances having my own place. Inviting a lady back for Netflix and chill as a 26 year old, and then bringing her to your parents house, feels like it would greatly diminish your chances of impressing her and/or getting laid.
 
How many baby birds stay in their parent's nest forever?

CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

But seriously, it's the natural order of things to stretch your own wings and fly. How many of you that still live at home have parents that were still living with THEIR parents at your age? Very few, I reckon. Like I said early in the thread, this is a very millennial thing.

My mom lived with her parents until she was 35.
 
I don't understand this idea that you can't have freedom or independence while living with your parents. Some people are acting like you are somehow 'wasting' your 20s living at home. What the heck is the difference?

Well most people wouldn't want to throw a party, host any sort of social event, bring a girl/guy home to their parents house, etc.

I agree with you that someone shouldn't be judged for it; but just the fact that judgement of living with parents is common will make a "difference" to a lot of people.

My parents weren't super controlling but there were still boundaries I had. If your life isn't any different than so be it; but it seems obvious why so many people think it would change their life a lot. A huge percentage of my partying and sexual experiences in my 20s probably wouldn't have happened if I lived with my Mom.
 
How many baby birds stay in their parent's nest forever?

CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

But seriously, it's the natural order of things to stretch your own wings and fly. How many of you that still live at home have parents that were still living with THEIR parents at your age? Very few, I reckon. Like I said early in the thread, this is a very millennial thing.

Well, if my mother was still living with her parents when she was my age, maybe we wouldn't have had to grow up on welfare and we could've had a bit of a better life.

Well I'm single now so this is not an issue atm, but when I was in a relationship it made a huge difference once I got my own place. Being able to have loud sex whenever we wanted was a major step up from the days of having to wait until my parents fell asleep and then trying not to bang too hard in case they heard the bed rocking/my gf moaning.

Now that I'm single (and this is as an American) I definitely feel much more confident in my dating chances having my own place. Inviting a lady back for Netflix and chill as a 26 year old, and then bringing her to your parents house, feels like it would greatly diminish your chances of impressing her and/or getting laid.

Again, don't get me wrong, there are benefits to living on your own.
But reading through pages in the thread, there is a notion being presented by numerous posters, that you for some reason need to leave home ASAP and struggle in order to grow as a person, and if you don't, well you are wasting your life.

Well most people wouldn't want to throw a party, host any sort of social event, bring a girl/guy home to their parents house, etc.

I agree with you that someone shouldn't be judged for it; but just the fact that judgement of living with parents is common will make a "difference" to a lot of people.

My parents weren't super controlling but there were still boundaries I had. If your life isn't any different than so be it; but it seems obvious why so many people think it would change their life a lot.
Sure, but even living on your own, depending on your situation, you still may not be able to host parties or bring dates home.
Or you may be the kind of person that doesn't want to do those things.
And you can still attend parties and stuff at other people's places.
If you want to save money/can't afford to live on your own, then I don't think you should be stigmatised for it.
 
Freedom from your parents.

Too bad for most kids, they can't get employment or even a decent paycheck to do that. I speak from experience. My paycheck pays me peanuts despite having worked there for three years with no prospect of advancement.

Problem with getting another job is, I can change industries and still have this problem. :/ Besides which, the mechanics for getting out (rent, bills, etc.) would eat that meager paycheck alive. It's a lose-lose situation no matter where you look in these current times and no candidate in this current election cycle wants to address that employment/cost-of-living problem head-on.
Besides like Bernie
 
Too bad for most kids, they can't get employment or even a decent paycheck to do that. I speak from experience. My paycheck pays me peanuts despite having worked there for three years with no prospect of advancement.

Problem with getting another job is, I can change industries and still have this problem. :/ Besides which, the mechanics for getting out (rent, bills, etc.) would eat that meager paycheck alive. It's a lose-lose situation no matter where you look in these current times and no candidate in this current election cycle wants to address that employment/cost-of-living problem head-on.
Besides like Bernie

What are you doing about that?
 
How many baby birds stay in their parent's nest forever?

CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

But seriously, it's the natural order of things to stretch your own wings and fly. How many of you that still live at home have parents that were still living with THEIR parents at your age? Very few, I reckon. Like I said early in the thread, this is a very millennial thing.

My parents had a living wage and could afford a mortgage and car payment in a one income family after my father went to technical school.

Different times where the things that matter have increase faster than inflation while wages have stagnated for 30 years. But hey, you can grab some cheap electronic toys, so bootstrap up slackers!
 
I didn't make a lot of money when I moved out, like over one third went to my mortgage alone. I could manage, but I couldn't do stuff I could when I still lived at home. I knew my salary would increase over time though.

But going to live on my own was the best thing I did so far. Its not like I had a bad time with my parents, but you don't have total freedom and you have to abide by their rules.. you get older, your friends likely all move out and you start to want that kind of space for yourself too. Thats how it happened in my case. I felt sort of ashamed, never taking pals at home anymore (why would they come anyway, I only had a room and they had a house I could visit instead). And when talking to girls I usually lied or said I moved back temporarily. Maybe thats stupid but I started to feel bad and limited about it. Here in Holland it isn't considered normal if you stay with your parents, I do know that in other cultures its perfectly fine when families stay together.

I was about 26 when I bought my crib, which is relatively late here, most of my friends were gone sooner. My parents were about 21 when they moved out. But don't do it if you don't want to do it or feel you're not ready at all. I really started to want to get my own space when I got older, and thus never regret it. Within a week I cooked my own meals perfectly fine, easy as shit. lol.
 
Yeah, no. That money you're saving really isn't worth spending ten years of your adult life living a sheltered and co-dependent existence underneath your parent's roof, if you ask me.

I think that for many people it's the initial step that's the hardest part. People are so afraid to step out of their comfort zone that they'll actually rationalize to themselves that a few extra dollars in a savings account is worth more than actually having a place you can call your own. To me, partly thanks to the socialist west european environment I grew up in, that's just a very difficult idea to swallow. Life is way too short to be living a third of it at the graces of your parents.

You seem very against people living with their parents past a certain age. What magical age number makes it WRONG in your opinion? And why that number?
 
Again, don't get me wrong, there are benefits to living on your own.
But reading through pages in the thread, there is a notion being presented by numerous posters, that you for some reason need to leave home ASAP and struggle in order to grow as a person, and if you don't, well you are wasting your life.

Aaaand there's that word again.

You seem very against people living with their parents past a certain age. What magical age number makes it WRONG in your opinion? And why that number?

There's no fixed number. Everyone's situation is different and it depends on your abilities to actually get a job or the country you live in. But generally, I'd consider it a big negative to spend the majority of your twenties under your parents roof.
 
What are you doing about that?

Looking into school, but that has it's own fair share of problems since 1) I don't want debt and 2) I have no clue what industry I'd want to go into (same problem I've had since high-school, basically) and 3) fighting with the school over bullshit that I don't really want to fight about.

So, essentially: Nada. I complain about my job, but it's not all bad. The major problem is the lack of advancement, but like I said: Even if I change industries/jobs and work elsewhere, I'm pretty much gonna be pigeonhole'd/stuck somewhere else.
 
Stayed at home until I was 29. Bought my first home. Always got along with my mother so it was easy. Paid rent and my share of expenses like a roommate, though, until my last year of university (which was when I was 28 - went back as a mature student) when she told me to save the rent part for my downpayment. Worked out well. :)
 
Not moving out till marriage, it's how it should be.

No reason to change that
 
Looking into school, but that has it's own fair share of problems since 1) I don't want debt and 2) I have no clue what industry I'd want to go into (same problem I've had since high-school, basically) and 3) fighting with the school over bullshit that I don't really want to fight about.

So, essentially: Nada. I complain about my job, but it's not all bad. The major problem is the lack of advancement, but like I said: Even if I change industries/jobs and work elsewhere, I'm pretty much gonna be pigeonhole'd/stuck somewhere else.

Well there ya go. It's hard for me to sympathize, since I've pivoted careers 3 times since leaving my job as a prep/line cook after high school. Gone back to school multiples times. Started multiple business ventures and changed a ton of things in my life in order to design the lifestyle I want. I wonder what all the others who are skating by on their parents' dime while saving up for a house are doing to hasten the situation or make things happen. It's not always just getting a new "job" or whatever - there are often things you can do to make more money that you wouldn't normally realize. We have a whole thread on here about working online, containing software testing and freelance writing work that people use to make extra money. I basically survived on the freelance writing until I could make my law firm a sustainable business.

Of course there's some struggle, but accepting that you have some agency in the equation and that the world isn't necessarily all doom and gloom is the first step. I get the feeling that the prevailing attitude among younger people is that they hear/see that the job market isn't as great as it once was, and just passively accept defeat and low-paying work until they've eliminated all risk of moving out. I find that attitude extremely disconcerting.
 
You don't want to move in with your fiancé before you decide to spend the rest of your lives together?

Not really

Do have a compatibility plan though don't worry. Trip to another country for a month.
 
Sure, but even living on your own, depending on your situation, you still may not be able to host parties or bring dates home.
Or you may be the kind of person that doesn't want to do those things.
And you can still attend parties and stuff at other people's places.
If you want to save money/can't afford to live on your own, then I don't think you should be stigmatised for it.

This was what I envisioned when I moved out and is still the greatest thing, even well in my 30's. Last friday I was bored, I called this woman I know for some time and she gladly came over. I had no worries about parents being home or hearing us (they could visit, but they never do during weekends eve anyway) or escorting her to my bed MGS style. Turned up the music, drank... Our clothes were all over my living room, not giving a fuck about it. I don't realize it at that moment, but with this discussion, yeah.
 
I'll be 27 next month and I've been living at home almost my whole life. I lived a year on my own when I was overseas on a working holiday visa, but that's it. I pay about 100 bucks a month, buy all my own food and stuff, and pay my own internet.
Living on my own is too expensive here in Canada. The highest paying job I've ever had is about 24k a year, and the cheapest place I would be able to get would probably be about 700 a month. Add on utilities and that's half my income gone right there. Not really worth it for me.
Sure, I could get a roommate and pay maybe only half that, but that isn't really living on your own is it? What's the difference between living with a roommate and living with your parents?
Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer to live on my own if it was more affordable, but I'd rather save the hundreds of dollars each month and just live at home. I don't really understand the people who move out for the sake of moving out (unless of course they have a bad relationship with their parents etc).
24k? Yikes. I made that part time (20 hours a week) during university working at a call centre (in Canada too). You must be doing a near minimum wage job or something. Certainly you could find better than that?
 
I moved out for university, and I never found a job near my parents.

If there was a dream job near my parents, but paid very little, I would probably live with them. Instead all the jobs were somewhere else, and paid very little, so I had to make it work.

Probably studying design helped, jobs were in major cities, but I'm sure I could find accountant work near my family home.
 
Going on a nice trip abroad isn't really comparable to the routine of everyday life at home.
I hope your plan works out.

Who said anything about a nice trip?

Regardless, my plan is up for change assuming I or her get rich before the time comes
 
Moved out at 18 when i started uni. Going to be moving back in with my parents in june for a year while I do an internship. It's going to be super weird to move back, i can't imagine how you could be 30 and still not of moved out. It's so liberating to be independant, also living with your friends while at uni is great.
 
24k? Yikes. I made that part time (20 hours a week) during university working at a call centre (in Canada too). You must be doing a near minimum wage job or something. Certainly you could find better than that?

Your call centre must've been much better than the one I was working at then.
The one I was working at only pays about a buck over minimum wage, so even working 40 hours a week you're only looking at around 24k a year.
I kind of live in the country right now, so not a ton of work. Planning to move next month though and hopefully go back to school.
 
I'm 22 and still heavily rely on my mom (who makes bank). I don't live with them most of the time, but it's painful to not be able to financially support myself. It's harder than ever to make a living, OP. Don't feel bad about it, but I would suggest you find roomates. Even though you don't know them you can get a chance to do so. I've done it before and it's so much better than living with your parents.
 
I'll be 27 next month and I've been living at home almost my whole life. I lived a year on my own when I was overseas on a working holiday visa, but that's it. I pay about 100 bucks a month, buy all my own food and stuff, and pay my own internet.
Living on my own is too expensive here in Canada. The highest paying job I've ever had is about 24k a year, and the cheapest place I would be able to get would probably be about 700 a month. Add on utilities and that's half my income gone right there. Not really worth it for me.
Sure, I could get a roommate and pay maybe only half that, but that isn't really living on your own is it? What's the difference between living with a roommate and living with your parents?
Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer to live on my own if it was more affordable, but I'd rather save the hundreds of dollars each month and just live at home. I don't really understand the people who move out for the sake of moving out (unless of course they have a bad relationship with their parents etc).

Roommates have attractive friends they can introduce you to, and better taste in music.
 
"What's the difference between living with a roommate and living with your parents?"

That may be one of the most ridiculous questions I've ever heard.
 
Nothing like nearing 30 and the idea of owning a home still a pipedream due to CA housing prices.
I'll rent my grave too I guess.

Move, man. Housing prices are just as ridiculous out here in Colorado. I'm about to move to Florida after school
 
I was a home-owner at 23, while I worked full-time through college. There's no "right" age to move out though. My brother is 31 and still lives at home. He went to college and came back--he contributes, so why bother?
 
Who cares? Whatever works for you and everybody's case is going to different.

Just for cultural perspective, in India its very normal for people to stay with their parents unless they go out city for college or get married.
 
That depends on what one wants, right? Maybe people want peace and a semblance of comfort with family they know that will be dead as fuck in time.

Yeah, but you're never going to change if all you seek is to be comfortable. You've gotta do things that scare you a little to live your life and grow. If you don't you just end up staying exactly where you are.

OP, move out and try it. Your parents probably won't have a problem if you need to move back in with them again at some point, but getting that independence is the best thing in the world.
 
"What's the difference between living with a roommate and living with your parents?"

That may be one of the most ridiculous questions I've ever heard.

Care to elaborate?
Main reason I'd want to move out is privacy. Wouldn't really have any more of that living with some roommates.
 
Care to elaborate?
Main reason I'd want to move out is privacy. Wouldn't really have any more of that living with some roommates.

Do you really need someone to explain to you why it's different living with your parents as opposed to living with roommates?
 
I'm in the same position, my life is a wreck and living at home is the least of my worries honestly. I do want my own place though, but I have other shit to sort first.
 
Do you really need someone to explain to you why it's different living with your parents as opposed to living with roommates?

Yes, please.
As I've already said in other posts, living at home, I pay rent, I pay my own bills, I do my own laundry, I buy my own groceries, etc etc. What exactly is the huge difference in living with roommates? My motivation for moving out is privacy. It's what I enjoyed the most when I lived on my own before. I would not have that with roommates, and I would much prefer to live on my own than to live with roommates.
 
My parents moved out of state for a year when I was 20. Had my own apartment with my friend. My mom calls me and asks if I would want to move back in with them if they moved back. I said hell yes. They didn't have to do that and I would have stayed in that apartment. I lived with them till I was at least 26 or 27.
 
Yes, please.
As I've already said in other posts, living at home, I pay rent, I pay my own bills, I do my own laundry, I buy my own groceries, etc etc. What exactly is the huge difference in living with roommates? My motivation for moving out is privacy. It's what I enjoyed the most when I lived on my own before. I would not have that with roommates, and I would much prefer to live on my own than to live with roommates.

The majority of arguments for roommate in this thread are when money is a concern/limiting factor to living alone.

You, at least at one time, did not fall into that category, as you lived alone and found it to be no better than cohabitation with your parents, so I guess you don't apply.

It's as if, however, certain folks, yourself included, are blind to the increased agency one gains over their life when they have to stand on their own two feet in the world. That is the confusing point of contention between folks like yourself and folks like myself, Zackie, and Lyle.
 
The majority of arguments for roommate in this thread are when money is a concern/limiting factor to living alone.

You, at least at one time, did not fall into that category, as you lived alone and found it to be no better than cohabitation with your parents, so I guess you don't apply.

It's as if, however, certain folks, yourself included, are blind to the increased agency one gains over their life when they have to stand on their own two feet in the world. That is the confusing point of contention between folks like yourself and folks like myself, Zackie, and Lyle.

No, it's as if people are blind to the fact that different people have different families.
Not every body who is still living at home is having everything done for them.
If I couldn't pay rent at home, then I couldn't live here. I wouldn't have a place to live. So how is living with roommates any more standing on one's own two feet in such a situation? How do I have any more agency?
If it is a situation where the person doesn't pay rent, doesn't cook their own meals, doesn't know how money works, doesn't know how to pay a bill, doesn't know how to do anything, then yes, moving into a place with roommates is a big change. But not every body is in that kind of a situation, and when I made my original comment on living with roommates vs living at home, I was referring to people in my kind of situation.
Some people are acting like you can't learn these kinds of skills until you move out and frankly it doesn't make any sense. Maybe you couldn't learn those skills before hand, but not every body is like that.
 
Yes, please.
As I've already said in other posts, living at home, I pay rent, I pay my own bills, I do my own laundry, I buy my own groceries, etc etc. What exactly is the huge difference in living with roommates? My motivation for moving out is privacy. It's what I enjoyed the most when I lived on my own before. I would not have that with roommates, and I would much prefer to live on my own than to live with roommates.

Are you intentionally being obtuse? You honestly can't see the difference between parents you live with and any other roommate? Even after reading posts, in this very thread, talking about how different it is to bring someone home to try and have sex or throwing a party / a casual get-together with your friends. Practically every interaction you have with the people you live with is going to be significantly different if you're their offspring.
 
In many other cultures in the world it is totally normal, and people don't seem to suffer for it.

When I tried living on my own for the first time, the only difference was I had more privacy, but paid more money. I didn't change, or 'grow' as a person. It wasn't difficult or challenging. I already paid rent living at home, now I was paying more rent. Big whoop. I feel the importance and impact of moving out is grossly over-exaggerated.

I'm with you. There's a bit of arrogance in believing the only way to grow into an adult is to spend your 20's away from home. Millions of people, for thousands of years, all over the world have managed to live full lives in multi-generational households.

And I've not seen anyone in this thread articulate specifically what life skills are learned and what growth happens on their own. Do most American parents feed and shelter their kids from age 0-18, teach them nothing about life, and then let them figure things out themselves? Cooking, cleaning, budgeting, paying taxes, navigating leases, etc all seem trivial to learn IME. And they ought to be learned well before 18.

There wasn't any great rationalization on my part, or fear of stepping out of my comfort zone. There was math, and it was this:

Age 22: $20,000 saved @ 5% real return compounding 45 years = $179,700.16 at Age 67
Age 23: $20,000 saved @ 5% real return compounding 44 years = $171,143.01 at Age 67
Age 24: $20,000 saved @ 5% real return compounding 43 years = $162,993.34 at Age 67
Age 25: $20,000 saved @ 5% real return compounding 42 years = $155,231.75 at Age 67
Age 26: $20,000 saved @ 5% real return compounding 41 years = $147,839.76 at Age 67

Total: $816,908.01

I did it, my siblings did it, nearly all my friends did it. Done saving for retirement, that's real independence in my book. Obviously I'll keep saving at least up to my employer match, but man is it a great relief.
 
Didn't move out until I was 26. I was that guy who stayed at home and bought video games and played all the time. That and went to work, came home and hung out with friends. Hadn't a care in the world.

When my daughter was born when I was 25 everything changed. I worked a second job so we could save while paying for my wife to go to a 1-year LPN program. During this 1-year period I also assumed the parenting responsibilities. So I worked two jobs, fed, bathed and changed a newborn and also was the one waking up in the middle of night, all to ensure my wife could perform as best as possible so she could graduate.

It was tough.

Once she got her degree, out we went and got a small 1-BR apartment. 3 years later we bought our first home.

My daughter was what pushed us to stop being lazy lumps and get out shit together. I'm glad how everything turned out.
 
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