Bernie Sanders clarifies his statement about ghettos

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Trayvon Martin didn't live in a ghetto
Read the very next line:

"You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street"

Oh that's right, you didn't read anything like almost anyone in this thread and are just jumping in to have your 2c with a quick witty retort. Though it's not your fault; this is media spin city.
 
At this point... just end this Bernie. Do it so you can maintain some remaining dignity in these proceedings. Winning is impossible, and you don't want to tarnish your image further with "mistakes" like this.

What an awful, awful post. He already has more "dignity" than every other candidate running on either side, whether he wins or not. How about let democracy be democracy, and let him continue to pull the democratic party, and it's support, further towards the left?
 
I'm a sociology graduate so I was interested in why a black person would be offended about his remarks when they're pretty accurate in which most scholars describe urban segregation.

And I read your posts and it was pretty clear that you were black since your first post in the thread, but at the same time never actually elaborated why what he said could be constructed as something harmful to the black communities but you were obviously outraged by it. So I thought you might have an interesting insight to provide but it's clear you're just a moron really.

Can we not do this?
 
I'm a sociology graduate so I was interested in why a black person would be offended about his remarks when they're pretty accurate in which most scholars describe urban segregation.

And I read your posts and it was pretty clear that you were black since your first post in the thread, but at the same time never actually elaborated why what he said could be constructed as something harmful to the black communities but you were obviously outraged by it. So I thought you might have an interesting insight to provide but it's clear you're just a moron really.

Mmm Hmm. Good luck with this.
 
Well, two things.

Firstly, he frames those racial inequalities entirely in the framework of economic inequalities, which is a recurring failing of his. You can read out from his comments to assume the other stuff (that the reason why black people experience a different level of poverty than white people is because of systematic racial discrimination), but it's not what he said and it feeds into the other times he didn't say it, which makes it feel like the times he does say it he doesn't really mean it, because otherwise he'd say it without being badgered and prompted.

Secondly, and largely unrelated to the general scope of the critiques in this thread, he doesn't talk about his white privilege. He's saying "you" a lot, owning up to white privilege in general but distancing himself from it personally.

I'm not black tho, so there's probably a lot I'm missing, but that's what I picked up on at any rate.



Believe me, I know that Jews were the original ghetto dwellers (my mom never lets me forget), but he didn't say anything to that effect and in fact moved in the opposite direction. I was mostly pointing out that it a) had nothing to do with the topic at hand, b) would probably backfire.

It doesn't seem like you actually listened to what he said? Or are you not talking about his response at the debate? He specifically mentions police harassment. He says we have to end institutional racism. He says we have to reform a broken criminal justice system.
 
I'm a sociology graduate so I was interested in why a black person would be offended about his remarks when they're pretty accurate in which most scholars describe urban segregation.

And I read your posts and it was pretty clear that you were black since your first post in the thread, but at the same time never actually elaborated why what he said could be constructed as something harmful to the black communities but you were obviously outraged by it. So I thought you might have an interesting insight to provide but it's clear you're just a moron really.

With remarks like this one, your major hasn't served you well at all.
 
Bernie Sanders existence as a more left-leaning person than Hillary Clinton that attracted white male progressive support on the Internet, thus coopting the liberal high ground, has driven some folks on this message board who believe the high ground is theirs absolutely crazy.

In an effort to reclaim the high ground and reassert themselves atop the liberal pecking order, they must be shown to be flawed. Racism is a good flaw to claim.

It's ridiculous that that's what discourse here has been reduced to.

This isn't wrong.

I've said before that Bernie has a whole lot of things to be criticized for, but the way some people who claim to lean left are going in on him seems to be really shaky to me.

It is what it is, I guess.
 
The context of the question asks about racial blind spots. Where people take umbrage with Sander's response stems from equating racial injustice to poverty and the segregation that often comes alongside it. There is a deafness to the social level of discrimination that can stretch to every unexpected facet of a person's life. This is the theme of his story about another Congressman finding shame just in calling a cab, but that anecdote didn't really find its way back into Sander's message about race.

It doesn't really help to further marginalize the downtrodden either, and tell poor white people that they don't really know how bad things can get. I feel that even the clarification makes a mistake in targeting "African-Americans" when other minorities can find themselves isolated in the same kind of segregated poverty.

I can't help but feel that Sander's ultimate claim to "end" institutional racism carries not only a naivety to it, but targets the most surface level issue minorities face. It's not surprising to me at all that people would find his comment off base.
 
Alright, so as a black guy I'm going to try to explain to people why Bernie's comment and other similar comments he's made in the past are troubling and do not resonate with black people. He stated that white people don't know what it's like to be "poor" and/or live in a "ghetto." Now, the statement is problematic for a whole host of reasons but I'm going to trying to break it all down for people to understand, First, the statement is simply false, there are plenty of white people who have and are experiencing poverty in addition to living in "ghettos."

Second, it's part of a larger problem which Bernie has landed himself in where he inadvertently reinforces the notion that black people and poverty go hand in hand. This is troubling as it paints the picture that black people are a child like race who must be raised up by the responsible and caring adult white savior. This is a problem of many ultra-liberal white people, it's simply the liberal side of racism. The republicans paint minorities as moochers who are always trying to take from the government so they can sit on their butts, collect their welfare, and spend it on lottery tickets and 40 oz. beer. However, for liberal democrats the racism is more subtle in that it is veiled in an attempt to "better" black folk and other minorities. Obviously, this notion that blacks need to be cared for and bettered is code-word racism in the guise of smiling white faces. These liberals talk about providing more welfare, food drive programs, free lunches, and inner city education.

But, while these all sound like great things it is part of an underlying narrative that A) all black folks are poor and B) they must be coddled and cared for like children by we wise white people that know what's best for them. Thus, when Bernie Sanders attacks Hilary Clinton because her husband reformed welfare and thus making it less available to minorities he plays right into this narrative. It sounds as if he believes the only issues the black community cares about is welfare and other social programs directed against poverty. However, we are not stupid and we do not need to be talked down to. Black people care about everything else the same as white people including foreign policy, debt relief, free education, health care, etc. We don't just care about "the ghetto."

I want to end with a personal anecdote that should give you an idea what some black people feel when Bernie makes such comments. So, my mother is pretty religious and when I was younger my parents made me and my brothers go to church every other Sunday or so. Now my parents, due to hard work, are pretty well off and live in a very affluent neighborhood and at this time went to the church that was literally at the end of the street where we lived. Now, on this particular day the church was hosting a poor black family from I believe a rougher part of the city for whatever reason.

At the end of the service my mother always likes to hang around to speak with people who live in the area and what not and at some point a very nice white lady comes up and speaks to her. She begins to ask my mother how difficult a trip it was coming all the way up to this church. Obviously, my mother has clued into what is going on this lady believes that because she is black she must be with the same group as the poor family the church was hosting. My mom, being ever so coy, says nothing and just nods her head until soon after one of our neighbors seeing my mother speaking with this other lady goes up to introduce yourself. She of course oblivious to the conversation tells the other lady how my mother lives just down the street in that big house. As my mother tells it the other lady's face went white.

Now, was that lady trying to be a mean-spirited racist? No. But, in her attempt to be caring and understanding she achieved the same effect as any "nigger" calling red neck. That is what Bernie Sanders ends up sounding like at times when he makes those statements.
 
This isn't wrong.

I've said before that Bernie has a whole lot of things to be criticized for, but the way some people who claim to lean left are going in on him seems to be really shaky to me.

It is what it is, I guess.

Partisanship is a hell of a drug
 
First, the statement is simply false, there are plenty of white people who have and are experiencing poverty in addition to living in "ghettos."
Plenty? How many? Do you have any facts for this?

Also, technically a "ghetto" refers to a minority community that has been systemically if not intentionally segregated.

And his ghetto comment was just one on a list of issues facing black people, such as the very next line:

"You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street"

Yes, obviously white people have experienced being hassled. But that is not really the point, ya know??
 
Alright, so as a black guy I'm going to try to explain to people why Bernie's comment and other similar comments he's made in the past are troubling and do not resonate with black people. He stated that white people don't know what it's like to be "poor" and/or live in a "ghetto." Now, the statement is problematic for a whole host of reasons but I'm going to trying to break it all down for people to understand,

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Thanks for sharing. This really changes the way I'm considering all this.

It sounds like a good way to sum this up is that a big problem with this kind of rhetoric is that it relies on comparisons between black people and white people, and thus even without actually trying to do so has the effect of reinforcing stereotypes? Does that sound accurate to you? (I learn best by trying to translate what I've learned into my own words, so please correct me if I'm misrepresenting what you've said.)
 
I can forgive the initial misstep even if it hangs a lantern on the fact that he sees everything through an economic lens, but to have a day to think about it and still not be able to understand the issue with what he said... it's pretty sad.
 
Alright, so as a black guy I'm going to try to explain to people why Bernie's comment and other similar comments he's made in the past are troubling and do not resonate with black people. He stated that white people don't know what it's like to be "poor" and/or live in a "ghetto." Now, the statement is problematic for a whole host of reasons but I'm going to trying to break it all down for people to understand, First, the statement is simply false, there are plenty of white people who have and are experiencing poverty in addition to living in "ghettos."

Second, it's part of a larger problem which Bernie has landed himself in where he inadvertently reinforces the notion that black people and poverty go hand in hand. This is troubling as it paints the picture that black people are a child like race who must be raised up by the responsible and caring adult white savior. This is a problem of many ultra-liberal white people, it's simply the liberal side of racism. The republicans paint minorities as moochers who are always trying to take from the government so they can sit on their butts, collect their welfare, and spend it on lottery tickets and 40 oz. beer. However, for liberal democrats the racism is more subtle in that it is veiled in an attempt to "better" black folk and other minorities. Obviously, this notion that blacks need to be cared for and bettered is code-word racism in the guise of smiling white faces. These liberals talk about providing more welfare, food drive programs, free lunches, and inner city education.

But, while these all sound like great things it is part of an underlying narrative that A) all black folks are poor and B) they must be coddled and cared for like children by we wise white people that know what's best for them. Thus, when Bernie Sanders attacks Hilary Clinton because her husband reformed welfare and thus making it less available to minorities he plays right into this narrative. It sounds as if he believes the only issues the black community cares about is welfare and other social programs directed against poverty. However, we are not stupid and we do not need to be talked down to. Black people care about everything else the same as white people including foreign policy, debt relief, free education, health care, etc. We don't just care about "the ghetto."

I want to end with a personal anecdote that should give you an idea what some black people feel when Bernie makes such comments. So, my mother is pretty religious and when I was younger my parents made me and my brothers go to church every other Sunday or so. Now my parents, due to hard work, are pretty well off and live in a very affluent neighborhood and at this time went to the church that was literally at the end of the street where we lived. Now, on this particular day the church was hosting a poor black family from I believe a rougher part of the city for whatever reason.

At the end of the service my mother always likes to hang around to speak with people who live in the area and what not and at some point a very nice white lady comes up and speaks to her. She begins to ask my mother how difficult a trip it was coming all the way up to this church. Obviously, my mother has clued into what is going on this lady believes that because she is black she must be with the same group as the poor family the church was hosting. My mom, being ever so coy, says nothing and just nods her head until soon after one of our neighbors seeing my mother speaking with this other lady goes up to introduce yourself. She of course oblivious to the conversation tells the other lady how my mother lives just down the street in that big house. As my mother tells it the other lady's face went white.

Now, was that lady trying to be a mean-spirited racist? No. But, in her attempt to be caring and understanding she achieved the same effect as any "nigger" calling red neck. That is what Bernie Sanders ends up sounding like at times when he makes those statements.
This is a good post brother. Well said.
 
Alright, so as a black guy I'm going to try to explain to people why Bernie's comment and other similar comments he's made in the past are troubling and do not resonate with black people. He stated that white people don't know what it's like to be "poor" and/or live in a "ghetto." Now, the statement is problematic for a whole host of reasons but I'm going to trying to break it all down for people to understand, First, the statement is simply false, there are plenty of white people who have and are experiencing poverty in addition to living in "ghettos."

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Thanks for this. How do you think he should be acknowledging institutional racism's affects on today's America? Referring to things like this: http://www.theatlantic.com/business...ng-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/ (part of what has resulted in what he referred to as ghettos) in addition to things like the police bias he had also mentioned.

Do you think there is there a way to talk about that stuff without reinforcing negative stereotypes?
 
I think everyone (well, most everyone) understood his sentiment, he's just not always good with the verbiage he chooses. He strikes me as a guy who has the best intentions at heart and doesn't adjust his phrasing with much of a filter because of it. I've known people like that.

On the other hand, I'm half white and asian and grew up in what most people would consider poverty. I've lived in the shittiest of neighborhoods, and therefore know that many people who live in impoverished areas come in all colors, some more than others depending upon the state and city. So his statement immediately struck me as coming from someone who may be out of touch. I mean, he did grow up and spend his adulthood in a country that looked a lot different than it does now.

Not trying to make excuses for him, just saying I think I understand why he said it.

Edit: I just read foxtrot3d's post, great post, and I understand completely why it upset people now.
 
My mom, being ever so coy, says nothing and just nods her head until soon after one of our neighbors seeing my mother speaking with this other lady goes up to introduce yourself. She of course oblivious to the conversation tells the other lady how my mother lives just down the street in that big house. As my mother tells it the other lady's face went white.
Damn, your moms was cold blooded with that ownage.
 
He's right that white people have no idea what real poverty is. White ppl aren't being shot by cops, white ppl aren't being denied jobs, white ppl have power. White issues are nothing compared to what minorities experience.

The latter part of your post I can agree with but this part is just pure ignorance. Take a drive down the roads of southern appalachia if you want to see real white poverty. These people know exactly what the fuck it is and how it feels. I've lived around it all my life and it annoys the shit out of me when I see people downplaying or totally ignoring their existence. Poor whites and poor blacks have some very different issues and challenges, we agree with this, but saying poverty is not a common shared issue is flat out false.
 
I heard this during the bit that I watched last night and I knew that this would happen. I know Sanders didn't mean anything bad by it but it was definitely a weird thing to say. It's not like it will make a difference though. He didn't appeal to African American voters before this debate and he doesn't appeal to them now. I just hope that the next hope/change person studies Sanders' campaign carefully. There's a lot to learn here.
 
Shit, I was actually starting to be more on Bernie's side while reading the entire debate exchange, but then I got to this part:

So to answer your question, I would say, and I think it's similar to what the secretary said, when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. You don't know what it's like to be poor. You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car.

"When you're white... you don't know what it's like to be poor?"

God damn, forget the damage in the primaries and African-Americans. That right there is Trump and Republican fodder. Bad move Bernie, bad move.
 
Alright, so as a black guy I'm going to try to explain to people why Bernie's comment and other similar comments he's made in the past are troubling and do not resonate with black people. He stated that white people don't know what it's like to be "poor" and/or live in a "ghetto." Now, the statement is problematic for a whole host of reasons but I'm going to trying to break it all down for people to understand, First, the statement is simply false, there are plenty of white people who have and are experiencing poverty in addition to living in "ghettos."

Second, it's part of a larger problem which Bernie has landed himself in where he inadvertently reinforces the notion that black people and poverty go hand in hand. This is troubling as it paints the picture that black people are a child like race who must be raised up by the responsible and caring adult white savior. This is a problem of many ultra-liberal white people, it's simply the liberal side of racism. The republicans paint minorities as moochers who are always trying to take from the government so they can sit on their butts, collect their welfare, and spend it on lottery tickets and 40 oz. beer. However, for liberal democrats the racism is more subtle in that it is veiled in an attempt to "better" black folk and other minorities. Obviously, this notion that blacks need to be cared for and bettered is code-word racism in the guise of smiling white faces. These liberals talk about providing more welfare, food drive programs, free lunches, and inner city education.

But, while these all sound like great things it is part of an underlying narrative that A) all black folks are poor and B) they must be coddled and cared for like children by we wise white people that know what's best for them. Thus, when Bernie Sanders attacks Hilary Clinton because her husband reformed welfare and thus making it less available to minorities he plays right into this narrative. It sounds as if he believes the only issues the black community cares about is welfare and other social programs directed against poverty. However, we are not stupid and we do not need to be talked down to. Black people care about everything else the same as white people including foreign policy, debt relief, free education, health care, etc. We don't just care about "the ghetto."

I want to end with a personal anecdote that should give you an idea what some black people feel when Bernie makes such comments. So, my mother is pretty religious and when I was younger my parents made me and my brothers go to church every other Sunday or so. Now my parents, due to hard work, are pretty well off and live in a very affluent neighborhood and at this time went to the church that was literally at the end of the street where we lived. Now, on this particular day the church was hosting a poor black family from I believe a rougher part of the city for whatever reason.

At the end of the service my mother always likes to hang around to speak with people who live in the area and what not and at some point a very nice white lady comes up and speaks to her. She begins to ask my mother how difficult a trip it was coming all the way up to this church. Obviously, my mother has clued into what is going on this lady believes that because she is black she must be with the same group as the poor family the church was hosting. My mom, being ever so coy, says nothing and just nods her head until soon after one of our neighbors seeing my mother speaking with this other lady goes up to introduce yourself. She of course oblivious to the conversation tells the other lady how my mother lives just down the street in that big house. As my mother tells it the other lady's face went white.

Now, was that lady trying to be a mean-spirited racist? No. But, in her attempt to be caring and understanding she achieved the same effect as any "nigger" calling red neck. That is what Bernie Sanders ends up sounding like at times when he makes those statements.

good post
 
But he marched with MLK!! Is not that enough!!!!!?



Not sanders, that's for sure.

It's turning into "I have black friends" as excuse to be racists. His quote is not shocking for me, because there seems to be a huge disconnect between him and the Blacks community and the Hispanics community.
 
Second, it's part of a larger problem which Bernie has landed himself in where he inadvertently reinforces the notion that black people and poverty go hand in hand. This is troubling as it paints the picture that black people are a child like race who must be raised up by the responsible and caring adult white savior. This is a problem of many ultra-liberal white people, it's simply the liberal side of racism. The republicans paint minorities as moochers who are always trying to take from the government so they can sit on their butts, collect their welfare, and spend it on lottery tickets and 40 oz. beer. However, for liberal democrats the racism is more subtle in that it is veiled in an attempt to "better" black folk and other minorities. Obviously, this notion that blacks need to be cared for and bettered is code-word racism in the guise of smiling white faces. These liberals talk about providing more welfare, food drive programs, free lunches, and inner city education.

But, while these all sound like great things it is part of an underlying narrative that A) all black folks are poor and B) they must be coddled and cared for like children by we wise white people that know what's best for them. Thus, when Bernie Sanders attacks Hilary Clinton because her husband reformed welfare and thus making it less available to minorities he plays right into this narrative.

With all due respect, you are attacking Sanders' statement by viewing it through the lens of people who are decidedly not Sanders, and what's more it seems willfully blind to the many times he has addressed the problems of minorities in America without boiling it down to simple economics. He's talked about police misconduct, institutional racism, societal racism, employment discrimination, the disproportionate effect of economic policies across racial lines, restrictive voting laws, etc. If you want to view it in a condescending light, that's your option, I suppose, but I don't see why unless your opinion is being colored either by other people who aren't involved in his campaign or the most onerous of his supporters on the internet.

It sounds as if he believes the only issues the black community cares about is welfare and other social programs directed against poverty. However, we are not stupid and we do not need to be talked down to. Black people care about everything else the same as white people including foreign policy, debt relief, free education, health care, etc. We don't just care about "the ghetto."

Why would it sound as if he believes that way, and what could he possibly do to even demonstrate otherwise? He addresses minorities specifically when he is talking about racial justice, it only makes sense (and it's clear he considers economic inequality a big element of racial injustice). Does he not mention African Americans pretty much every time he talks about making public college education free for everyone or improving the nation's childcare? Should he mention minorities more often when talking about what he would do for climate change? How, why? The rest of his campaign isn't expressed in a frequency inaudible for non-whites.
 
Thanks for this. How do you think he should be acknowledging institutional racism's affects on today's America? Referring to things like this: http://www.theatlantic.com/business...ng-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/ in addition to things like the police bias he mentioned.

Do you think there is there a way to talk about that without reinforcing those stereotypes?

Of course, honestly Hilary Clinton understand how to talk about these issues while avoiding the problem of reinforcing stereotypes or seeming like the "white savior." When you are white you have to be careful when speaking about racial issues, you have to skirt the line between being respectful and empathetic without sounding like you are talking down to people. Black people (and other minorities) have a different problem when talking about racial issues, which is being boxed as the "black and/or Hispanic candidate." It's why Obama has always had to be doubly careful speaking about issues in the black community because if he comes out too hard then suddenly he's the "black candidate." You know the one that rails against the evils of the white man who are responsible for all the ills of the black community.

Bernie needs to learn, for example, that talking about welfare reform while talking about issues regarding race is possibly problematic. You can talk about it but don't transition from problems within the black community to welfare reform, it leaves the impression that the two are directly linked and that all black people are about is welfare.
 
Alright, so as a black guy I'm going to try to explain to people why Bernie's comment and other similar comments he's made in the past are troubling and do not resonate with black people. He stated that white people don't know what it's like to be "poor" and/or live in a "ghetto." Now, the statement is problematic for a whole host of reasons but I'm going to trying to break it all down for people to understand, First, the statement is simply false, there are plenty of white people who have and are experiencing poverty in addition to living in "ghettos."

Second, it's part of a larger problem which Bernie has landed himself in where he inadvertently reinforces the notion that black people and poverty go hand in hand. This is troubling as it paints the picture that black people are a child like race who must be raised up by the responsible and caring adult white savior. This is a problem of many ultra-liberal white people, it's simply the liberal side of racism. The republicans paint minorities as moochers who are always trying to take from the government so they can sit on their butts, collect their welfare, and spend it on lottery tickets and 40 oz. beer. However, for liberal democrats the racism is more subtle in that it is veiled in an attempt to "better" black folk and other minorities. Obviously, this notion that blacks need to be cared for and bettered is code-word racism in the guise of smiling white faces. These liberals talk about providing more welfare, food drive programs, free lunches, and inner city education.

But, while these all sound like great things it is part of an underlying narrative that A) all black folks are poor and B) they must be coddled and cared for like children by we wise white people that know what's best for them. Thus, when Bernie Sanders attacks Hilary Clinton because her husband reformed welfare and thus making it less available to minorities he plays right into this narrative. It sounds as if he believes the only issues the black community cares about is welfare and other social programs directed against poverty. However, we are not stupid and we do not need to be talked down to. Black people care about everything else the same as white people including foreign policy, debt relief, free education, health care, etc. We don't just care about "the ghetto."

I want to end with a personal anecdote that should give you an idea what some black people feel when Bernie makes such comments. So, my mother is pretty religious and when I was younger my parents made me and my brothers go to church every other Sunday or so. Now my parents, due to hard work, are pretty well off and live in a very affluent neighborhood and at this time went to the church that was literally at the end of the street where we lived. Now, on this particular day the church was hosting a poor black family from I believe a rougher part of the city for whatever reason.

At the end of the service my mother always likes to hang around to speak with people who live in the area and what not and at some point a very nice white lady comes up and speaks to her. She begins to ask my mother how difficult a trip it was coming all the way up to this church. Obviously, my mother has clued into what is going on this lady believes that because she is black she must be with the same group as the poor family the church was hosting. My mom, being ever so coy, says nothing and just nods her head until soon after one of our neighbors seeing my mother speaking with this other lady goes up to introduce yourself. She of course oblivious to the conversation tells the other lady how my mother lives just down the street in that big house. As my mother tells it the other lady's face went white.

Now, was that lady trying to be a mean-spirited racist? No. But, in her attempt to be caring and understanding she achieved the same effect as any "nigger" calling red neck. That is what Bernie Sanders ends up sounding like at times when he makes those statements.

Good post, but I'm going to break down why I disagree. As another black guy

He stated that white people don't know what it's like to be "poor" and/or live in a "ghetto." Now, the statement is problematic for a whole host of reasons but I'm going to trying to break it all down for people to understand, First, the statement is simply false, there are plenty of white people who have and are experiencing poverty in addition to living in "ghettos.

The issue is you're taking his statement literally, in the same way a white guy would take offense at any statement about white privilege. It never means no white people experience those things, it means that they even when they do, there are unique aspects to them that only affect black people (or other minorities). Yes there are poor white people, yes there are white people in ghettos, no poor white neighborhoods are not the same as ghettos and no, a majority white poor neighborhood isn't technically a ghetto.

Second, it's part of a larger problem which Bernie has landed himself in where he inadvertently reinforces the notion that black people and poverty go hand in hand. This is troubling as it paints the picture that black people are a child like race who must be raised up by the responsible and caring adult white savior. This is a problem of many ultra-liberal white people, it's simply the liberal side of racism. The republicans paint minorities as moochers who are always trying to take from the government so they can sit on their butts, collect their welfare, and spend it on lottery tickets and 40 oz. beer. However, for liberal democrats the racism is more subtle in that it is veiled in an attempt to "better" black folk and other minorities. Obviously, this notion that blacks need to be cared for and bettered is code-word racism in the guise of smiling white faces. These liberals talk about providing more welfare, food drive programs, free lunches, and inner city education.

But, while these all sound like great things it is part of an underlying narrative that A) all black folks are poor and B) they must be coddled and cared for like children by we wise white people that know what's best for them. Thus, when Bernie Sanders attacks Hilary Clinton because her husband reformed welfare and thus making it less available to minorities he plays right into this narrative. It sounds as if he believes the only issues the black community cares about is welfare and other social programs directed against poverty. However, we are not stupid and we do not need to be talked down to. Black people care about everything else the same as white people including foreign policy, debt relief, free education, health care, etc. We don't just care about "the ghetto."

I think this is conflating his general and VERY persistent message about income inequality (which he brings up talking about everything, not just in the context of race) and this specific addressing of how it uniquely affects black people. Mentioning how those affect black people, in a discuss about race, is way more relatable and understandable than trying to relate foreign policy to racial inequality. Although I agree that hearing everything be about socioeconomical issues is a bit annoying, when there are a number of other large issues that could also be addressed by him.

As for your anecdote...I could see my mom complaining in igbo about it, but I understand what you mean. Constantly framing everything in terms of black people and social inequality can come across as talking down, or treating us like children wait for our white savior, but I think it's more that these issues are finally gaining enough national traction that they can even become the topic of debates so I welcome hearing anything the candidates have to say about them. I'm glad any question about black people isn't simply relegated to "all people" as it would've been years ago. I'm glad our issues are actually getting the attention they rightfully deserve, even if sometimes I might not like how it comes off or the answers I hear
 
I think it's clear that he was trying to say that poverty is a greater issue for African Americans but at the same time saying white people do not know about poverty is not accurate at all and marginalizes a large segment of the people he would help with his policies would help.

According to Census figures in 2013, 18.9 million whites are poor. That’s 8 million more poor white people than poor black people, and more than 5 million more than those who identify as Latino. A majority of those benefiting from programs like food stamps and Medicaid are white, too.

Statements like that only reinforce stereotypes in a base which may categorize minorities as less than educated and more in "need of guidance". I'm sure it wasn't done out of malicious intent just inadvertently perpetualing the stereotype that whites are not poor.
 
Alright, so as a black guy I'm going to try to explain to people why Bernie's comment and other similar comments he's made in the past are troubling and do not resonate with black people. He stated that white people don't know what it's like to be "poor" and/or live in a "ghetto." Now, the statement is problematic for a whole host of reasons but I'm going to trying to break it all down for people to understand, First, the statement is simply false, there are plenty of white people who have and are experiencing poverty in addition to living in "ghettos."

Second, it's part of a larger problem which Bernie has landed himself in where he inadvertently reinforces the notion that black people and poverty go hand in hand. This is troubling as it paints the picture that black people are a child like race who must be raised up by the responsible and caring adult white savior. This is a problem of many ultra-liberal white people, it's simply the liberal side of racism. The republicans paint minorities as moochers who are always trying to take from the government so they can sit on their butts, collect their welfare, and spend it on lottery tickets and 40 oz. beer. However, for liberal democrats the racism is more subtle in that it is veiled in an attempt to "better" black folk and other minorities. Obviously, this notion that blacks need to be cared for and bettered is code-word racism in the guise of smiling white faces. These liberals talk about providing more welfare, food drive programs, free lunches, and inner city education.

But, while these all sound like great things it is part of an underlying narrative that A) all black folks are poor and B) they must be coddled and cared for like children by we wise white people that know what's best for them. Thus, when Bernie Sanders attacks Hilary Clinton because her husband reformed welfare and thus making it less available to minorities he plays right into this narrative. It sounds as if he believes the only issues the black community cares about is welfare and other social programs directed against poverty. However, we are not stupid and we do not need to be talked down to. Black people care about everything else the same as white people including foreign policy, debt relief, free education, health care, etc. We don't just care about "the ghetto."

I want to end with a personal anecdote that should give you an idea what some black people feel when Bernie makes such comments. So, my mother is pretty religious and when I was younger my parents made me and my brothers go to church every other Sunday or so. Now my parents, due to hard work, are pretty well off and live in a very affluent neighborhood and at this time went to the church that was literally at the end of the street where we lived. Now, on this particular day the church was hosting a poor black family from I believe a rougher part of the city for whatever reason.

At the end of the service my mother always likes to hang around to speak with people who live in the area and what not and at some point a very nice white lady comes up and speaks to her. She begins to ask my mother how difficult a trip it was coming all the way up to this church. Obviously, my mother has clued into what is going on this lady believes that because she is black she must be with the same group as the poor family the church was hosting. My mom, being ever so coy, says nothing and just nods her head until soon after one of our neighbors seeing my mother speaking with this other lady goes up to introduce yourself. She of course oblivious to the conversation tells the other lady how my mother lives just down the street in that big house. As my mother tells it the other lady's face went white.

Now, was that lady trying to be a mean-spirited racist? No. But, in her attempt to be caring and understanding she achieved the same effect as any "nigger" calling red neck. That is what Bernie Sanders ends up sounding like at times when he makes those statements.

There is a massive amount of baseless assumption in this post. The notion that Bernie Sanders considers all black people as poor, or that he feels they need white saviours, or that black people don't care about the other issues such as foreign policy, healthcare, debt relief etc, that all black's must be coddled or cared for and so on, all of it completely ludicrous and frankly somewhat laughable.

I also think your anecdote is equally misplaced. The lady who spoke to your mum made an assumption, a far less outlandish one compared to the ones you've made about Bernie I should add, that doesn't make her a racist. It was a simple and honest mistake, and it makes sense for her to assume your mum was of a similar demographic to the other guests who the Church service was held for, that by your own admission were poorer or lived further away. The fact that you took that as a slight is disappointing to tell the truth.

I have had many similar things happen to me, for example in certain parts of the country, people assuming me and my wife were foreign, and speaking to us in simplified English (albeit in a kind and polite way) until they realised we were both British born and bred, then apologising or simply correcting their use of language once they realised their miatake. Usually we all just laugh it off amicably. The people doing the aforementioned, aren't automatically racist for their assumption, at least not to my mind. They probably just didn't have much exposure to brown people in the area, and if anything, spoke to us the way they did in an endearing way, to be more helpful. Me automatically taking their assumptions about our nationality, as some sort of indirect or unimplied reverse racism, would be an equally detrimental assumption on my part.
 
Not sure about public housing but the poverty stat is 27% African Americans are in poverty.
edit:

26% Hispanic.

9% white.

And that's of the populations right?

So would you start at, as of 2010,

(233,553,265 x 72.4%) x 9.9% ?

To find white poverty numbers? Because that's still a huge number that percentages hide. Poverties no joke regardless of race.

Not ignoring systemic racism which is obviously a problem. But I feel the need to clarify that in this thread in case someone takes this the wrong way, which is easy to do in these threads.
 
There is a massive amount of baseless assumption in this post. The notion that Bernie Sanders considers all black people as poor, or that he feels they need white saviours, or that black people don't care about the other issues such as foreign policy, healthcare, debt relief etc, that all black's must be coddled or cared for and so on, all of it completely ludicrous and frankly somewhat laughable.

I also think your anecdote is equally misplaced. The lady who spoke to your mum made an assumption, a far less outlandish one compared to the ones you've made about Bernie I should add, that doesn't make her a racist. It was a simple and honest mistake, and it makes sense for her to assume your mum was of a similar demographic to the other guests who the Church service was held for, that by your own admission were poorer or lived further away. The fact that you took that as a slight is disappointing to tell the truth.

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You know I was going to respond to your post but nope, I stopped after that part. Yes, it was my mother's fault that because she was black she should have been mistaken as poor.
 
You know I was going to respond to your post but nope, I stopped after that part. Yes, it was my mother's fault that because she was black she should have been mistaken as poor.

Nobody is at fault. Nobody even did anything wrong, at least that was damaging or rude anyway, at least in my opinion. Just two people having a conversation and a lady making an assumption (not an outlandish one given the circumstances) that happened to be wrong. No need to take that personally, or take it as some sort of automatic unimplied reverse racism. It's simple unintentional ignorance at best.
 
Of course, honestly Hilary Clinton understand how to talk about these issues while avoiding the problem of reinforcing stereotypes or seeming like the "white savior."

Wasn't she a key proponent of her husband's welfare reform bill, which was based primarily on the proposition that welfare to work programs would combat supposedly problematic welfare laziness? Has she ever come out to update her position on that? I seem to recall the Clinton Foundation continuing to stick to the "hand-up, not hand out" rhetoric as recently as four years ago.
 
Nobody is at fault. Nobody even did anything wrong, at least that was damaging or rude anyway at least in my opinion. Just two people having a conversation and a lady making an assumption that happened to be wrong. No need to take that personally, or take it as some sort of automatic unimplied reverse racism.

It can be extremely condescending for people to automatically assume you're of a lower social class simply because you're a minority. That is an entirely reasonable feeling to have. It's how you have well-to-do black people getting shot or arrested for "breaking in" to their own house.
 
It can be extremely condescending for people to automatically assume you're of a lower social class simply because you're a minority. That is an entirely reasonable feeling to have.

But by his own admission she was attending a Church service that was held for a poor black family who lived further away. I wouldn't have taken condescension from it. Similar to the anecdote I gave above about situations I've faced that are not too dissimilar. Eg people assuming you're foreign just because you're brown.
 
Nobody is at fault. Nobody even did anything wrong, at least that was damaging or rude anyway, at least in my opinion. Just two people having a conversation and a lady making an assumption (not an outlandish one given the circumstances) that happened to be wrong. No need to take that personally, or take it as some sort of automatic unimplied reverse racism. It's simple unintentional ignorance at best.

Because clearly if one black family visiting the church was poor it's logical to assume all other black families are too....

Jesus don't defend that.

But by his own admission she was attending a Church service that was held for a poor black family who lived further away. I wouldn't have taken condescension from it. Similar to the anecdote I gave above about situations I've faced that are not too dissimilar. Eg people assuming you're foreign just because you're brown.
They were hosting one poor family. The lady literally saw a black person and just lumped them into that one single family.

If people assume you're foreign because you're brown that to is racism at play.
 
Nobody is at fault. Nobody even did anything wrong, at least that was damaging or rude anyway, at least in my opinion. Just two people having a conversation and a lady making an assumption (not an outlandish one given the circumstances) that happened to be wrong. No need to take that personally, or take it as some sort of automatic unimplied reverse racism. It's simple unintentional ignorance at best.
foxtrot3d can clarifiy, but I think the unintentional ignorance on display in that story was indeed the entire point of the anecdote. And yes, that means the white woman was making a mistaken assumption based on race.
 
But by his own admission she was attending a Church service that was held for a poor black family who lived further away. I wouldn't have taken condescension from it. Similar to the anecdote I gave above about situations I've faced that are not too dissimilar. Eg people assuming you're foreign just because you're brown.

I'm not saying the lady who said it should be fired from her job or whatever, but it's still totally understandable to be insulted by that, and I'm sure it's only one example out of many.

Overzealous Bernie supporters have ridden that talking point to death

I've honestly seen that talking point brought up far more often by people who aren't Bernie supporters as a way of attacking him. But I also don't spend a lot of time on reddit/twitter so w/e. It's gotten to the point that "marching with MLK" is a negative, somehow.
 
Because clearly if one black family visiting the church was poor it's logical to assume all other black families are too....

Jesus don't defend that.

She obviously thought his mum was part of the same family or from the same part of town. How you took her (mistaken) assumption to mean she believes all black people are poor is perplexing to me. Whilst I could be wrong, to me it just seems like a situational assumption.
 
She obviously thought his mum was part of the same family or from the same part of town. How you took her assumption to mean she believes all black people are poor is perplexing to me.

Right she saw a black person and automatically assumed they were related to that other black family. Didn't ask, just assumed.
 
But by his own admission she was attending a Church service that was held for a poor black family who lived further away. I wouldn't have taken condescension from it. Similar to the anecdote I gave above about situations I've faced that are not too dissimilar. Eg people assuming you're foreign just because you're brown.

The church was hosting a poor black family. That doesn't make every black person there a poor black family.

It's condescending and ignorant. It's also a little bit worrying that you would double down on something that clearly made his point.
 
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