Massive ongoing protest in Chicago makes Trump "postpone" his event

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DontBeThatGuy said:
You know Trump's most controversial policies right, his most controversial statements and the violence and tense atmosphere at this rallies?

That's the reason for the protest. If someone wants to miss that and need something spelled out for them, then I don't know what to say.
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I get that, but with respect to this incident, the focus seems to be on the fact protestors successfully shut down Trump's rally. That fact, by itself, doesn't reflect negatively on Trump. In fact, the clip I saw playing repeatedly on CNN, didn't make it clear if it was a protestor or a Trump supporter, getting violent. If we're talking undecided voters (or individuals who aren't following Trump's campaign closely), the headlines I've seen so far, aren't going to push this group in any particular direction.
 
Do we have a pool on when the first shooting at a Trump rally will occur? Doesn't matter who fires, but I feel like we're on the cusp after tonight.
 
Fuck the entire Drumpf family
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Keri said:
I get that, but with respect to this incident, the focus seems to be on the fact protestors successfully shut down Trump's rally. That fact, by itself, doesn't reflect negatively on Trump. In fact, the clip I saw playing repeatedly on CNN, didn't make it clear if it was a protestor or a Trump supporter, getting violent. If we're talking undecided voters (or individuals who aren't following Trump's campaign closely), the headlines I've seen so far, aren't going to push this group in any particular direction.
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Here's the thing. Trumps rallies don't really qualify as free speech anymore. He incites his followers to violence.
 
Keri said:
I get that, but with respect to this incident, the focus seems to be on the fact protestors successfully shut down Trump's rally. That fact, by itself, doesn't reflect negatively on Trump. In fact, the clip I saw playing repeatedly on CNN, didn't make it clear if it was a protestor or a Trump supporter, getting violent. If we're talking undecided voters (or individuals who aren't following Trump's campaign closely), the headlines I've seen so far, aren't going to push this group in any particular direction.
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But this world lives in context. That may or may not work, but the reason WHY it was "shut down by protesters" is because these people think Trump is shit, and going by himself and his supporters on the way they've conducted themselves the past few weeks, it's not a good look.

From an outside view, this is just people getting tired of racist shit.
 
Just watched that Maddow segment. I always thought of Trump as a sideshow buffoon but he is absolutely responsible for inciting violence and hatred among his supporters. What a disgusting human being.
 
Oh, Trump was silenced from his first amendment rights? Really? Then how did he end up with all these interviews on cable news networks to talk about his silencing? Besides, it was HIS campaign's decision not to speak.
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
No, that's not my issue. It's the manner of protest, not the fact they're protesting. You don't throw a tantrum like a child when you disagree with something. I seriously dislike Trump, I hope he doesn't get elected, but I'm not going to go out into the street representing my republic with such prepubescent and immature behavior.

You don't see anything wrong with that? Again, not the protesting...the manner. Inexcusable.
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I've never been banned here

but fuck off

edit: sorry I was inexcusable, black people getting slapped up at his events, mexican's supposed rapists, hateful rhetoric all over, evidence in trumps opinions and base in spreading what you should find wrong with any decent bone in your body and years of blood sweat toil, tears rape, pillage, thievery and fuck fuck fuck you tell us it's the wrong way? to stand up for what we find right? just because we've got melanin?!!!

oh man
 
johnsmith said:
Fuck the entire Drumpf family
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Another ignorant asshole who doesn't understand the first amendment in the first place.

It doesn't protect assholes from being called out by society. It protects the government from shutting down free speech. Jackasses need to stop using it as a shield for their derp.
 
Cat said:
Oh, Trump was silenced from his first amendment rights? Really? Then how did he end up with all these interviews on cable news networks to talk about his silencing? Besides, it was HIS campaign's decision not to speak.
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He certainly invoked his first amendment rights to lie his ass off.
 
DrForester said:
Here's the thing. Trumps rallies don't really qualify as free speech anymore. He incites his followers to violence.
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I think you missed my point. The question I have is, is this incident going to negatively or positively affect his campaign? In order for it to negatively affect his campaign, it would have to be clear from the news coverage that he was responsible for the violence, but the coverage I've seen hasn't made that point. A lot of the coverage is just focused on the fact the rally was shut down and that violence occurred (without it being clear whether it was protestors or supporters). I could be wrong though, because I haven't seen ALL the coverage.
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

I'm not for trump at all, I despise him, but the manner of this opposition is lamentable and deplorable. We are better than this. People need to act accordingly in the manner of the republic of which they represent.

Wake up! There is no excuse for this childish, adolescent behavior.
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Civil disobedience is how shit actually gets done in this country.

Ether_Snake said:
Protesting works against authority, not when you prevent a politician from addressing his crowd. THAT never works, never worked, and will help Trump just as it always helps the politicians who are faced with such protests.
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He isn't a politician...and I don't think being a loud mouth is preventing you from speaking to your crowd anyways...not to mention that he is trying to become THE AUTHORITY.
 
MHWilliams said:
The Boston Tea Party, Stonewall, Purple Rain, and other protests disagree with you.

I am continually surprised at how many people don't like or understand protest and its strong effect throughout history.
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If one supports violent protests based on beliefs, then it's rather hard to condemn it when the other side does the same. Trumps rallies seem to now have a trend of endangering minorities, but that will destroy him with raised awareness. When protesters get violent or prevent an event through the risk of violence, it mostly hurts the liberal cause. I bet most the trump rally goers are now fired up and will spread the news of this or engage in the campaign more than before. From their perspective, this was not the Boston tea party, but rather the british troops marching in. I am surprised how many people don't understand this basic psychological effect resulting from intimidation.
 
Keri said:
I think you missed my point. The question I have is, is this incident going to negatively or positively affect his campaign?
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That will entirely depend on future Trump events getting protested.

If it becomes a trend, it will be obvious to the general public that its a problem with Trump, and not with youth/minorities.
 
DontBeThatGuy said:
He certainly invoked his first amendment rights to lie his ass off.
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That right is SUPPOSED to have limits that somehow magically do not apply. The age-old example of you can't yell "fire" in a movie theater because of the danger it poses. But inciting racist violence? Some are SO concerned about his right to that speech.
 
We need to build a wall around trump tower

We don't need babies, okay

Trump supporters, it's not too late to let the Lord Bernie Sanders into your hearts and live forever in the light of goobers' gravy of guaranteed income, healthcare, and education.
 
Pepboy said:
If one supports violent protests based on beliefs, then it's rather hard to condemn it when the other side does the same. Trumps rallies seem to now have a trend of endangering minorities, but that will destroy him with raised awareness. When protesters get violent or prevent an event through the risk of violence, it mostly hurts the liberal cause. I bet most the trump rally goers are now fired up and will spread the news of this or engage in the campaign more than before. From their perspective, this was not the Boston tea party, but rather the british troops marching in. I am surprised how many people don't understand this basic psychological effect resulting from intimidation.
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You talk as if this was a one way street when it was the Trump supporters who were intimidating in the first place. So why are you surprised this is happening.
 
Risette said:
The reality is that most effective protests end in violence or unrest. These dreams of completely passive protests just simply aren't in touch with history or reality.
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What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?
 
Pepboy said:
If one supports violent protests based on beliefs, then it's rather hard to condemn it when the other side does the same. Trumps rallies seem to now have a trend of endangering minorities, but that will destroy him with raised awareness. When protesters get violent or prevent an event through the risk of violence, it mostly hurts the liberal cause. I bet most the trump rally goers are now fired up and will spread the news of this or engage in the campaign more than before. From their perspective, this was not the Boston tea party, but rather the british troops marching in. I am surprised how many people don't understand this basic psychological effect resulting from intimidation.
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Everyone understands exactly what you're saying. Everyone is informing this attitude that it's wrong. Trump is a racist and his supporters are violent. Before any protests.

This is the head that this naturally comes to in a democracy. Protests happen. I am surprised how you don't understand this basic psychological effect.

Are you a doctor?
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?
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It would be too late at that point.
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?
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When you tell your protestors to attack niggers. And you'll cover their legal fees.

Civility says what again?
 
Fat4all said:
That will entirely depend on future Trump events getting protested.

If it becomes a trend, it's obvious that its a problem with Trump, and not with youth/minorities.
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I don't think that's necessarily true. I think it depends on which side gets blamed for the violence and I don't know that the media has picked a side, in this case. While I have seen mention of Trump generally inciting violence, unlike past incidents which clearly involved a Trump supporter being violent, the headlines here are just things akin to "Trump Rally Cancelled" and "Violence at Rally after Protests."
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?
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Civility exits when a black person's civil protest is greeted with getting punched in the fucking face because they're black and dare to civilly protest.
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?
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What isn't civil about showing up at a public rally for a presidential candidate to have a voice in the process? Can you be specific about what's bugging you?

Have you also considered that there's been violence and harassment against people of color at these rallies and that people could be showing up in solidarity against that behavior?
 
TyrantII said:
Another ignorant asshole who doesn't understand the first amendment in the first place.

It doesn't protect assholes from being called out by society. It protects the government from shutting down free speech. Jackasses need to stop using it as a shield for their derp.
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It's funny that the people who hold up the constitution as sacrosanct are often the ones who understand it the least.
 
Pepboy said:
If one supports violent protests based on beliefs, then it's rather hard to condemn it when the other side does the same. Trumps rallies seem to now have a trend of endangering minorities, but that will destroy him with raised awareness. When protesters get violent or prevent an event through the risk of violence, it mostly hurts the liberal cause. I bet most the trump rally goers are now fired up and will spread the news of this or engage in the campaign more than before. From their perspective, this was not the Boston tea party, but rather the british troops marching in. I am surprised how many people don't understand this basic psychological effect resulting from intimidation.
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The major point of contention is that it doesn't matter. The onus isn't on Trump supporters, they're trump supporters. It's the moderate that is watching idly. This brings attention to something going on with this candidate.

Trump supporters can go on and try to spread a controlled message or regurgitate the spin that Trump shits out to their extended family and work network, but anyone with an ounce of a brain and 2 minutes of Google will see that there is a huge concern regarding the rhetoric that Trump bestows and can understand why things boiled over in this nature.
 
Pepboy said:
If one supports violent protests based on beliefs, then it's rather hard to condemn it when the other side does the same. Trumps rallies seem to now have a trend of endangering minorities, but that will destroy him with raised awareness. When protesters get violent or prevent an event through the risk of violence, it mostly hurts the liberal cause. I bet most the trump rally goers are now fired up and will spread the news of this or engage in the campaign more than before. From their perspective, this was not the Boston tea party, but rather the british troops marching in. I am surprised how many people don't understand this basic psychological effect resulting from intimidation.
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Insecure bullies wilt when you show them you're not afraid.


Not by laughing at their hair or their hands, or by calling them a funny name, or by trying to use The Polite Discourse to psyche them out with logic like you're Phoenix Wright and they're just one contradiction away from a meltdown on the stand.



You do it by getting in their goddamned face and saying "No," and showing them that people aren't afraid anymore. They're not just gonna say, "Well gosh, this is probably just gonna help him. Watch his polls rise!" like cowards anymore. They're going to stand up to him, and never stop until it's over.
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?
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You still talking about this nonsens of the subversion of free speech. It makes no sense when put under any scrutiny. Free speech, is primarily about government and police institutions silencing discent. If you get fired from a private instution due to your state, you can't fall back on free speech as a valid arguement or defense. Because under that riduclously narrow definition litterally almost any action someone is doing is inhibiting free speech.
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?
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First you said that the protest in general was disgusting behavior.

Then it was just the way they were protesting.

Now it's that protesting like this is fine, just they aren't doing it at the right time.

You must be getting tired from moving these goalposts around so much.
 
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