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[Sianos]

What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?

republicans have a word for what we call "civility"

they call it "political correctness"

i would say civility exited the equation when trump repeatedly encouraged his supporters to harass and assault "protesters" [black people who attend his rallies], how he goes on and on about how he misses a time when "protesters" were punished for exercise their first amendment right to protest [for civil rights], and how he was imagining indescribable things [lynching] he would love to do to those "protesters"

 

[Fat4all]

too soon

this is happening too soon

you were supposed to nominate him first, THEN protest after before the GE and tank him then

Oh don't worry, he'll still win the nom I'm sure.

 

[commedieu]

Insecure bullies wilt when you show them you're not afraid.


Not by laughing at their hair or their hands, or by calling them a funny name, or by trying to use The Polite Discourse to psyche them out with logic like you're Phoenix Wright and they're just one contradiction away from a meltdown on the stand.



You do it by getting in their goddamned face and saying "No," and showing them that people aren't afraid anymore. They're not just gonna say, "Well gosh, this is probably just gonna help him. Watch his polls rise!" like cowards anymore. They're going to stand up to him, and never stop until it's over.

THANK YOU.

 

[Opto]

Protesting is only for middle age white people! Everything else is rowdy behavior

 

[Fat4all]

Protesting is only for middle age white people! Everything else is rowdy behavior

The cool kids tricked me into protesting when I was at the arcade. Now I'm addicted to Big P.

Not. Even. Once.

 

[Sianos]

Insecure bullies wilt when you show them you're not afraid.


Not by laughing at their hair or their hands, or by calling them a funny name, or by trying to use The Polite Discourse to psyche them out with logic like you're Phoenix Wright and they're just one contradiction away from a meltdown on the stand.



You do it by getting in their goddamned face and saying "No," and showing them that people aren't afraid anymore. They're not just gonna say, "Well gosh, this is probably just gonna help him. Watch his polls rise!" like cowards anymore. They're going to stand up to him, and never stop until it's over.

well.

fucking.

said.

 

[Leona Lewis]

For those who missed Maddow tonight:

Not surprising at all that Trump is portraying himself as the victim here.

 

[MultiJhonny]

Protesting is only for middle age white people! Everything else is rowdy behavior

No protesting is for those who don't have jobs or anything better to do! Those unruly citizens who are on welfare and don't contribute to society!!!

 

[TheSpoiler]

What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?

This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.

 

[Risette]

What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?

"Civility" exited the equation when Trump and his supporters took it out of the equation. Now they have to deal with the consequences of that.

People are going to stand up for themselves and others. That's the only way people like this will learn.

 

[MechaX]

You can disagree. Just do it in the privacy of your own home.

Yeah, because I am sure the Department of Justice would have conducted an investigation and even found clear and blatant evidence of systemic racism specifically targeting blacks by the Ferguson Police Department if people protested the Michael Brown events in the privacy of their own living room.

 

[RefigeKru]

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot.

Hey guys just let this racist authoritarian billionaire prick run your country then start protesting

I want you to explain how standing up to this racist xenophobe before he gains any credence and power is less civil than his crystal clear attempts at inciting racism and xenophobia throughout America. Remember hashtag KKK approved.

Please.

 

[Fat4all]

This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.

 

[TheSpoiler]

It's real easy to ask black people to be "civil" the moment they show any unrest.

LIKE LOL JUST CHILL DONT BE KIDS ABOUT IT JUST WAIT AND VOTE

Just how disconnected from human suffering do you have to be to not even be able to process that?

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Yeah, because I am sure the Department of Justice would have conducted an investigation and even found clear and blatant evidence of systemic racism specifically targeting blacks by the Ferguson Police Department if people protested the Michael Brown events in the privacy of their own living room.

He was being sarcastic.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.

All of this.

 

[psynergylover]

This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.

 

[MechaX]

He was being sarcastic.

I thought as much only after I posted it.

I'll take that L, but then I see 25 Can of Bacon's posts...

I just don't know anymore man.

 

[Cat]

Hey guys just let this racist authoritarian billionaire prick run your country then start protesting

I want you to explain how standing up to this racist xenophobe before he gains any credence and power is less civil than his crystal clear attempts at inciting racism and xenophobia throughout America. Remember hashtag KKK approved.

Please.

Pretty much.

 

[Fat4all]

Yeah, because I am sure the Department of Justice would have conducted an investigation and even found clear and blatant evidence of systemic racism specifically targeting blacks by the Ferguson Police Department if people protested the Michael Brown events in the privacy of their own living room.

Coming soon to the HTC Vive.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Yekshemesh]

This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.

No lies detected.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.

Thank you, good sir..

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I thought as much only after I posted it.

I'll take that L, but then I see 25 Can of Bacon's posts...

I just don't know anymore man.

I get it, it can be hard to tell sometimes on here.

 

[User1608]

I'm not going to stay quiet. I'll definitely join at some point in any protests nearby between now and during the GE. Fuck this racist man and any notion we shouldn't exercise our right to free speech and protest against an egomaniac who happens to be the frontrunner for the most powerful position on earth and his lame-ass supporters.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I thought as much only after I posted it.

I'll take that L, but then I see 25 Can of Bacon's posts...

I just don't know anymore man.

It's hard out here..

 

[Redd]

This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.

Well said. Good stuff.

 

[Rhaknar]

Yo that old lady picture...

So can we stop laughing about Trump yet and start being worried or what? :/

 

[Fat4all]

So can we stop laughing about Trump yet and start being worried or what? :/

I don't think it ever stopped being nervous laughter.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Yo that old lady picture...

So can we stop laughing about Trump yet and start being worried or what? :/

Oh no, my friend. This is the perfect time to start worrying about Trump.

 

[Tesseract]

fuck it tear shit up

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

People are kidding themselves if they think this impacts his nomination chances. The GOP primary voting electorate and the GE electorate are more different than ever.

 

[User 73706]

Fuck the entire Drumpf family

what's this dude's GAF account?

 

[Crosseyes]

The most effective protests are always the ones that get shit shut down, not the ones that get glossed over in a news article while the event goes on. It's possible to happen without violence as it seemed to mostly go tonight but when dealing with something like the rise of ideals Trump has espoused the ends will absolutely justify the means if it brings the message that open xenophobic and racist encouraging will not be acceptable in this country.

I'm perfectly OK morally condemning violence used to intimidate and systematically oppress nationalities and races while accepting the necessity of it to defend human rights and equality if it comes to it.

 

[GregLombardi]

People are kidding themselves if they think this impacts his nomination chances. The GOP primary voting electorate and the GE electorate are more different than ever.

Empowering Trump through the horrors of his candidacy seems like exactly what Democrats want. It's like a gift on a silver platter.

And they are horrors.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?

When you encourage and celebrate your mobs committing racial violence with increasing regularity. Who do you think you're convincing with this bullshit? The guy is a billionaire and is regularly speaking to crowds of tens of thousands of people and you honestly want us to believe your insistence that "he is in no position of power"? Are you fucking kidding?

The demons that the civil rights movement fought against were never exorcised: they've rested comfortably within the body politic for decades while people pretended that the girl's head wasn't spinning and that she wasn't speaking Latin.

 

[psynergylover]

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system.

I just can't get over how ridiculous this is!!!! you want us to wait til he's in the fucking whitehouse to protest!!! LMAO!!! just holy fucking shit!! that would defeat the entire reason that people are protesting; TO PREVENT HIM FROM REACHING THE PRESIDENCY!!!

this actually hilarious...sad but hilarious!!!

 

[Ishan]

Umm ppl claiming this was a riot don't know what real riots are. This was a protest not an entirely peaceful one but protest .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance
That is a peaceful protest eg indian independence movement under Gandhi etc

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Downtown+Vancouver+rocked+Stanley+post+game+riot/4953593/story.html
Riot. And they can range from not very bad like Baltimore to horrible like the godra riots in India (google that to see how bad riots can get kinda sad it was from the same country which produced Gandhi)

This was an agitated protest, not a completely non violent one but no where close to what a riot is .

 

[Boke1879]

Does anyone have that maddow segment about the trump lead up to Chicago?

 

[Pepboy]

Everyone understands exactly what you're saying. Everyone is informing this attitude that it's wrong. Trump is a racist and his supporters are violent. Before any protests.

This is the head that this naturally comes to in a democracy. Protests happen. I am surprised how you don't understand this basic psychological effect.

Are you a doctor?

I agree with the basic statement that Trump has been saying racist things and has even been encouraging violence among his supporters toward protestors, which has very likely contributed to increasing the violence.

I am surprised so many on this board agree to fight fire with fire. If protestors had protested legally (getting permits, giving space and letting supporters have access) and were attacked, this would be as one sided as many are making it out to be.

But when protestors act illegally in their expression of freedom of speech, and violence occurs, they are no longer victims. For example, the ACLU has guidelines on how to express speech legally, which the protestors seem to have violated.

I think this will have the opposite of the intended effect, but I guess time will tell.

 

[Cerium]

fuck it tear shit up

So have you seen any evidence of racism yet?

 

[rjinaz]

I thought as much only after I posted it.

I'll take that L, but then I see 25 Can of Bacon's posts...

I just don't know anymore man.

Apologies, I wasn't trying to trick anybody. I have posted in favor of the protesting throughout the thread.

It is indeed hard to tell sometimes. I missed some sarcasm just yesterday, the poster had even wrote in email tags that can be seen when quoted they were kidding. Still fell for it.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

Does anyone have that maddow segment about the trump lead up to Chicago?

It's up now.

 

[Tesseract]

So have you seen any evidence of racism yet?

not really, although i'm not all caught up on what he's said since he blabbers something new off every hour

 

[Thequietone]

Yo that old lady picture...

So can we stop laughing about Trump yet and start being worried or what? :/

I've never laughed at Trump, I've been laughing at the GOP for thinking this wouldn't happen. Trump is the inevitable outcome of the fear mongering and hate they have been cultivating all these years. I doubt there will be any protests here, but I'll gladly join one against this racist/bigot.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Oh, good.

I took a break and ate dinner, and come back to someone else telling black folks how to go about getting the change that's been denied to them since before anyone here's great grandparents were alive.

Fantastic.

 

[aeolist]

i think it's amazing that all trump had to do was lie about cpd telling him to cancel and the narrative of rioting and violence took hold immediately

other than the cops smacking a few people around i haven't seen anything online or in the news that indicates this is anything other than peaceful

 

[BiggNife]

Yo that old lady picture...

So can we stop laughing about Trump yet and start being worried or what? :/

People stopped laughing at trump once it became clear he's getting the nomination.

This very protest is people fighting back against people like that awful racist shithead in that photo.

 

[BBboy20]

What's to be in touch with reality? The subversion of free speech? I am NOT in Trump's camp here, no. I AM, however, in the camp of principles to be upheld of which this country has stood for in value of which now seemed suitable to be dismissed and overthrown for "revolution" in something that hasn't even been ESTABLISHED YET!! What revolution? Trump hasn't been elected. He is in no position of power. People who would use false equivalence saying this is akin to the civil rights era are delusional. That was a stand against institutionalism, racism, integrated longstanding prejudices within our society that were in no point of contention in terms of democratic dynamics that are occurring presently.

People need to be civil in opposition to Trump. When he has gained a seat of power and starts implementations of his fucked up dictates, THEN get out in the streets and riot. We are all operating within the democratic system. There is distinction between that and civil unrest. It is a system that deserves more than people out in the streets coming to blows because they can't deal with emotions better than that of a 5 year old. To do so, I see, as disgusting, and quite frankly....depressing.

Vote. Start petitions. Take civil means. At what point does civility exit this equation here?

Once again, no one is preventing Drumpf from getting on that stage.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Oh, good.

I took a break and ate dinner, and come back to someone else telling black folks how to go about getting the change that's been denied to them since before anyone here's great grandparents were alive.

Fantastic.

They've waited 400 years, what's a few more months amirite?