Gordon Shumway
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This is very nasty stuff..
Massive ongoing protest in Chicago makes Trump "postpone" his event
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During the Mark Duggan riots in London I was taking photos for 8 hours straight, after the 6th I stopped photographing as started to converse with the locals. Why are you here, what for etc, etc...
Right after I saw people throwing bricks at a bus filled with people heading home from a commute with a woman holding her baby in her arms fucking screaming and frightened, someone told me it was because "the government and what they do" and even though I agreed on a moral and emotional level, I asked him to divulge - and he simply couldn't. I asked him why they were destroying fucking brick lane and it was the most convenient I suppose in relation to the House of Parliament or Buckingham Palace.
And it was the most depressing moment of my life because I shared the ire of all those around me, yet felt completely disarmed because the vast majority of those I had spoken to couldn't even articulate the manner in which they had been objectified, cheated or hurt by those elected to hold their interests at heart. Now here we are after Tory rule and the NHS is on the verge of being sold piecemeal, after years of constructing the narrative of the service being untenable, the most homeless since 2010 and a near complete dismantling of anything resembling welfare for those hard done by.
People still tell us it's our fault you know.
Nope, you're supposed to dislike him for being a white supremacist and fascist.
Basically
No, pushing back against hate is not the same thing as spewing hate. Stop this "both sides" bullshit.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
There is a difference between the People coming together to protest and preserve their liberties and lives and a Hitlerite demagogue inciting hatred and violence to facilitate the rise of fascism.
Jmanunknown
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This is a very ridiculous statements. your the kind of person who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom.
brianmcdoogle
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Can't help but think of 1968... and sadly, potentially, 1970 where a Gallup Poll taken shortly after the shootings at Kent State revealed that 58% of the respondents believed the responsibility for the deaths lay with the demonstrators; only 11% blamed the National Guard..
Stay safe, and fight the good fight, Chicago protestors.
Stay safe, and fight the good fight, Chicago protestors.
Protestors calling racists as they really are, racist and some choice words, is not the same as a racist calling a black person the n-word or a hispanic a wetback and such. They are not equivalent. Trump has emboldened these fools. That's why there was a protest against him and his rally.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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We're done with racism.
No one but old prudes are against vulgar language. What people are against is hate speech that influences or supports oppressive ideology. We're against people being assaulted for just showing up while black.
LegendofJoe
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Look up the meaning of false equivalency and then do some critical thinking about what you just posted.
BoboBrazil
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It's pretty nasty the stuff being shown on Fox News right now. Protestors bullying Trump supporters, not letting them talk, yelling cuss words, walking by with signs that say fuck Trump on them, and protestors throwing first punches. I'm sure that Trump supporters probably did some of the same to the protestors, but all I'm seeing is the protestors being antagonists on Fox.
The only nasty stuff I"m seeing fox news is the shit coming out of megyn kelly and ben carson's mouths.
It certainly makes you wonder...
my name is ed
Banned
Breaking shit in protest is probably the most American thing you can do. Chicago, you're the real MVP ::mjcry
But for real, this is exactly what you expect to happen when Drumpf incites violences and openly wishes for harm to come against his protestors. He clearly encourages his supporters to act in violence towards minorities using coded language. If you can't see who is at fault, open your fucking eyes.
But for real, this is exactly what you expect to happen when Drumpf incites violences and openly wishes for harm to come against his protestors. He clearly encourages his supporters to act in violence towards minorities using coded language. If you can't see who is at fault, open your fucking eyes.
BoboBrazil
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You might have missed it earlier then. When they had guys on the ground getting interviews.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
Is this real life?
Leona Lewis
Banned
To be fair, the protesters shown were being very nasty to the nerdy dude with glasses. I almost felt bad for him.
I am sorry I did not have time to reply to your previous post. However on rereading it, I am not sure I understood it either -- the onus is on Trump supporters because googling should show he's not a candidate worth supporting? Sorry I am on the phone so I don't have the full post in front of me.
Yes, protestors have been attacked at Trump rallies, which is incorrigible to say the least. And I believe was effective in winning over moderates who do not want to see their country explode in president endorsed violence against minorities.
But to my knowledge, those protestors followed the rules we have developed as a society regarding protest (perhaps not?). Once protestors are attacking the ones they protest, it is no longer peaceful freedom of speech. Part of that is giving physical space to individuals who share an opposing viewpoint -- enough space to minimize the risks of violence.
Just because Trump supporters attacked protestors at previous events does not make it justified to then attack back. It only lowers protestors to their level of engaging in violence for personal beliefs, which I believe is unnecessary to do under our current society. If a bully attacks me one day, it is no longer self defense to come another day and pre-emptively engage in violence. We might feel on an emotional level that the bully got his just desserts, but when there are other recourses of action available, I do not believe the violence is morally justified.
Wonder what you thought of the man knocking the shit out of a black man in the face at a rally. But you're so appalled things got a little testy at this rally.
Trump has been leading up to this.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Well what do you expect from the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda?
Besides the little back n forth with certain posters....kinda worth noting that the GOP and Trump are pinning all their outreach effort to one single thing: jobs.
Slave had jobs - very "safe (no layoffs)" jobs. It ain't about the jobs, no amount of damage control will make it about the jobs..... their audience will eat it up obviously.
Slave had jobs - very "safe (no layoffs)" jobs. It ain't about the jobs, no amount of damage control will make it about the jobs..... their audience will eat it up obviously.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Some people find food. Other people loot. That's the world we live in..
SapientWolf
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These Trump protests are effective because it isn't the protesters sucker punching people on camera. If that situation reverses then I'm not sure that they'll be effective at calling the moderates to action.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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..... I don't think you have any grasp of history?
BoboBrazil
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That was also wrong. Just because one person does something doesn't mean violence should be taken out on others who share nothing in common other than supporting a person for president.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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What violence?
Do you make all of your decisions based on not upsetting assholes?
What would this country be if that was our national behavior?
But this is what happens when a candidate outright encourages it. You don't see this at any other rally. Clinton, sanders, Rubio, kasich or even Cruz. Only Trump. You only need to look at his rhetoric and base to understand why he attracts this.
So what if it happens twice? Three times? Ten times? And the person running the rallies where this violence happens not only condones it, but encourages it?
People should just shrug and say "well, that's just what Trump people do... no reason to get bent out of shape!"
Some organizers from certain organizations that might perhaps have had a role in organizing this effort did.
He's stating something obvious with the intent to smear the protest as some sort of organized effort by the left and the democrats in an evil plot to incite violence, divide between racial lines etc etc...
Standard fare for Marquito.
Look at all this Unmitigated privilege. Maybe one day you'll have something ro fight for and understand order wont be the answer when you've be marginalized and not listened to and or dismissed for your legitimate issues. After a while disruption is what is needed. This goes as far back in American history with the. Boston tea party.
Tesseract
Banned
That's why you judge people on an individual basis.
Are all the protesters being violent?
Arrest those that are.
Screaming vulgar words? They're free to do so.
I don't judge everyone at the trump convention, where the white old guy hit the black protester. Just the violent aggressor.
Once you start painting every group with a broad brush, you're giving in to the propaganda.
Lil'DigiOp
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You should only protest here
Or You should only protest there...
How about you only protest in this chair
Or why not wait to protest at the 2018 county fair?
You should only protest with a permit
Maybe you should protest with better verbiage
You should protest only in this box
Actually you should try protesting with a fox
Have you tried protesting only on the Internet?
Aren't you tired of all this protesting yet?
Stop telling me how to fucking protest Sam I Am...
How about I protest where I stand.
Or You should only protest there...
How about you only protest in this chair
Or why not wait to protest at the 2018 county fair?
You should only protest with a permit
Maybe you should protest with better verbiage
You should protest only in this box
Actually you should try protesting with a fox
Have you tried protesting only on the Internet?
Aren't you tired of all this protesting yet?
Stop telling me how to fucking protest Sam I Am...
How about I protest where I stand.
my name is ed
Banned
Never having to protest for your rights or for equal treatment of your people?
must be nice must be nice
must be nice must be nice
Yes, I believe in disrupting injustice in a peaceful way and letting an injust opponent be the one to make it disorderly, if they choose to. I do not believe in a "positive peace" that exists solely via ongoing violence, because I believe violence has a way of escalating out of control until one is no longer at peace. I believe there are direct actions which are both more effective and also peaceful in nature. I also do not believe in setting the timetable for another man's freedom -- I am not saying they should not protest. Only that it be done in accordance to rules which have been established to prevent the violence which historically otherwise ensues. If there is injustice, it can be demonstrated without protestors attacking -- and often us demonstrated by protestors being attacked. As a side note, I am surprised you are quoting MLK when it feels your guiding philosophy is more motivated by Malcom X.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
USE LESS SPACES!
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
This is lame
Your inability to see this beyond an academic exercise in debate leaves you ill equipped
Tesseract
Banned
babylon 5 reminds us,
you forgot the first rule of a fanatic: when you become obsessed with the enemy, you become the enemy
nah it's true, that tax thread made it clear
you forgot the first rule of a fanatic: when you become obsessed with the enemy, you become the enemy
nah it's true, that tax thread made it clear
For the first question, I am not sure which refernce to violence you are referring to in my original post, as I used the word in mulitple locations.
For the third question, what would this country be if every difference of opinion was settled via violence?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You're making it obvious you don't know any actual history.
Can you name any time in history an oppressive party changed just by being talked to nicely?
And why do you keep talking about tonight like it was violent? I saw some cops got in some shit, as they always do when they meet protesters anywhere. What else?
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