Massive ongoing protest in Chicago makes Trump "postpone" his event

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johnsmith said:
Fuck the entire Drumpf family
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Well...
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
People are kidding themselves if they think this impacts his nomination chances. The GOP primary voting electorate and the GE electorate are more different than ever.
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Nah it won't. This is over, Trump has this. Might make people think twice in the general especially if this becomes a theme.
 
Pepboy said:
I agree with the basic statement that Trump has been saying racist things and has even been encouraging violence among his supporters toward protestors, which has very likely contributed to increasing the violence.

I am surprised so many on this board agree to fight fire with fire. If protestors had protested legally (getting permits, giving space and letting supporters have access) and were attacked, this would be as one sided as many are making it out to be.

But when protestors act illegally in their expression of freedom of speech, and violence occurs, they are no longer victims. For example, the ACLU has guidelines on how to express speech legally, which the protestors seem to have violated.

I think this will have the opposite of the intended effect, but I guess time will tell.
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fuck that

it was at one point legal to own slaves, why do you think it's currently illegal to protest in certain fashions? It was the same here after the Mark Duggan shooting by the police, media calls a lot of people thugs, people sent to prison for stealing tesco basmati rice and before you know it - the laws are changed on how we might gather, protest, congregate, whatever you want to call it - and her we are, weak, inept and frankly apathetic.

The MLK quote puts it best, a timetable on another man's freedom.
 
TheSpoiler said:
This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.
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I agree this was not a riot. However, if the event had not been cancelled, it's a little uncertain what would have happened. It was at least risky enough that someone as selfish as Trump cancelled the event.

No one is claiming protestors should stay at home. They should apply for protest permits (and follow them, including not invading one another's physical spaces) or should hold their own events. Just because we don't like Trump does not give carte blanche for the violence they displayed. This is exactly the moral justification Trump supporters use in originally attacking protestors at other events.
 
Pepboy said:
I agree this was not a riot. However, if the event had not been cancelled, it's a little uncertain what would have happened. It was at least risky enough that someone as selfish as Trump cancelled the event.

No one is claiming protestors should stay at home. They should apply for protest permits (and follow them, including not invading one another's physical spaces) or should hold their own events. Just because we don't like Trump does not give carte blanche for the violence they displayed. This is exactly the moral justification Trump supporters use in originally attacking protestors at other events.
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It's so obvious when people have never actually protested anything but still find it appropriate to tell others how to.
 
RefigeKru said:
I've never been banned here

but fuck off

edit: sorry I was inexcusable, black people getting slapped up at his events, mexican's supposed rapists, hateful rhetoric all over, evidence in trumps opinions and base in spreading what you should find wrong with any decent bone in your body and years of blood sweat toil, tears rape, pillage, thievery and fuck fuck fuck you tell us it's the wrong way? to stand up for what we find right? just because we've got melanin?!!!

oh man
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No need to apologize, I understand how you feel.

What goes on in Trump's rallies disgusts me, even more so than what's going on tonight. I don't endorse that behavior either, which seems to be an assumption of my stance. But even so, I don't believe that's a valid excuse for what's going on here, which transcends mere disrespect. It undermines fundamental rights we all have, and should, adhere to. That a racist buffoon dickhead like Trump could even humor getting elected is a testament to me of what I treasure in this country. Disagree with it? Couldn't more. Value? Couldn't more.

BBboy20 said:
Civil disobedience is how shit actually gets done in this country.

He isn't a politician...and I don't think being a loud mouth is preventing you from speaking to your crowd anyways...not to mention that he is trying to become THE AUTHORITY.
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Civil disobedence is a means, and should be the last means. We are not there yet, Trump is still on the campaign trail. He's not the authority yet, and for people to be acting like he is is premature.

rjinaz said:
It would be too late at that point.
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No it wouldn't. The civil rights movement under King accomplished much, wouldn't you say?

Fat4all said:
How is protest uncivil?

It's one of the foundations of this fucking country.
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Protest is not intrinsically uncivil.

Cagey said:
Civility exits when a black person's civil protest is greeted with getting punched in the fucking face because they're black and dare to civilly protest.
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Again, not something I sanction. I agree that's fucked up. That does not excuse what's happening.

Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
What isn't civil about showing up at a public rally for a presidential candidate to have a voice in the process? Can you be specific about what's bugging you?

Have you also considered that there's been violence and harassment against people of color at these rallies and that people could be showing up in solidarity against that behavior?
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The manner of the protest, that's what bugs me.

I've seen many videos of people being punched at Trump's rallies, yes. It is deplorable and I don't justify it, nor see how my argument here seems to be doing so to other posters. We are better than these supporters of Trump, yet people advocate sitting here resorting to behaviors that stand in no distinguishment of those we hold so much in contempt.

Principate said:
You still talking about this nonsens of the subversion of free speech. It makes no sense when put under any scrutiny. Free speech, is primarily about government and police institutions silencing discent. If you get fired from a private instution due to your state, you can't fall back on free speech as a valid arguement or defense. Because under that riduclously narrow definition litterally almost any action someone is doing is inhibiting free speech.
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I'm sorry, I'm missing your point here. Freedom of speech has no say in private enterprise? Of course not.
 
LOL some uncensored R-rated language on FOX News right now.

The protestors they're interviewing are totally trolling the network, it's hilarious
 
Pepboy said:
I agree this was not a riot. However, if the event had not been cancelled, it's a little uncertain what would have happened. It was at least risky enough that someone as selfish as Trump cancelled the event.

No one is claiming protestors should stay at home. They should apply for protest permits (and follow them, including not invading one another's physical spaces) or should hold their own events. Just because we don't like Trump does not give carte blanche for the violence they displayed. This is exactly the moral justification Trump supporters use in originally attacking protestors at other events.
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You do realize this "moral justification" you speak of comes after protesters have already been assaulted by trump supporters.

It seems like you just glossed over my previous response.
 
So I've never voted in a primary before but Washington State lets everyone do it. This year I'll be casting a vote to help keep Trump's delegate count as low as possible. Unfortunately, I think this also means I will be voting for Ted Cruz...
 
Pepboy said:
I agree this was not a riot. However, if the event had not been cancelled, it's a little uncertain what would have happened. It was at least risky enough that someone as selfish as Trump cancelled the event.

No one is claiming protestors should stay at home. They should apply for protest permits (and follow them, including not invading one another's physical spaces) or should hold their own events. Just because we don't like Trump does not give carte blanche for the violence they displayed. This is exactly the moral justification Trump supporters use in originally attacking protestors at other events.
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Protest permits or "Free speech zones" are a crock of horseshit. Protests are pointless if they aren't disruptive. Sorry but it is the way it has always been and will continue to be. Unless you inconvenience people, no one will pay attention.
 
JeTmAn81 said:
So I've never voted in a primary before but Washington State lets everyone do it. This year I'll be casting a vote to help keep Trump's delegate count as low as possible. Unfortunately, I think this also means I will be voting for Ted Cruz...
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Ted Cruz is the guy who has friends that say all gays should be killed....
 
RefigeKru said:
fuck that

it was at one point legal to own slaves, why do you think it's currently illegal to protest in certain fashions? It was the same here after the Mark Duggan shooting by the police, media calls a lot of people thugs, people sent to prison for stealing tesco basmati rice and before you know it - the laws are changed on how we might gather, protest, congregate, whatever you want to call it - and her we are, weak, inept and frankly apathetic.

The MLK quote puts it best, a timetable on another man's freedom.
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I am okay with laws that prohibit forms of protests that are likely to erupt in violence or destruction of property. If Trump supporters dislike minorities and LGBT, I would not want them being allowed to protest a gay pride parade in a way that would likely cause violence. Just because we see ourselves on the side of equality and progress does not actually mean our opinions are more valued -- it still needs to be handled peacefully and within the system. I believe news coverage of the attacked minorities was already doing its job of convincing independents. Raising awareness is also important but also needs to be done peacefully and legally.
 
JHoNNy1OoO said:
Protest permits or "Free speech zones" are a crock of horseshit. Protests are pointless if they aren't disruptive. Sorry but it is the way it has always been and will continue to be. Unless you inconvenience people, no one will pay attention.
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Yup. It has been the American way ever since the Boston tea party. Protesting and inconveniencing people is the only way to evoke action. Anyone who says otherwise has never had to fight For something in their lives and understand the struggle of being heard.
 
This political season is shaping up to be really incredible. Its going to be madness in the coming months.

Trump vs Hillary is going to be must see tv. I would pay legt ppv money to watch all the debates and stupidity unfold all the way through November.
 
Fat4all said:
• No hoodies
• Don't be too loud
• No foul language on signs
• Don't look like a thug
• No night protests
• Clear a path for those you are protesting
• Only chant early Kendrick Lamar lyrics
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Looks like I've got to add

• No impromptu protests allowed
 
Pepboy said:
I am okay with laws that prohibit forms of protests that are likely to erupt in violence or destruction of property. If Trump supporters dislike minorities and LGBT, I would not want them being allowed to protest a gay pride parade in a way that would likely cause violence. Just because we see ourselves on the side of equality and progress does not actually mean our opinions are more valued -- it still needs to be handled peacefully and within the system. I believe news coverage of the attacked minorities was already doing its job of convincing independents. Raising awareness is also important but also needs to be done peacefully and legally.
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You can't work within the system designed to keep you down. A look into any moment in history should make this really fucking obvious.

Regardless, you're really upset about literally a crowd of people showing up in solidarity to chant shit. Seriously?
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
No it wouldn't. The civil rights movement under King accomplished much, wouldn't you say?
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In this regard yes it would. People are protesting because they don't want this man to be President. Kind of defeats the point if you're asking people to wait UNTIL he is elected, and then only if he does anything worthy in your mind of protesting, proceed.

Trump is saying things worthy of protesting now.
 
The first amendment was created so anyone could say anything they wanted and everyone had to agree with it by law.
 
Pepboy said:
I agree this was not a riot. However, if the event had not been cancelled, it's a little uncertain what would have happened. It was at least risky enough that someone as selfish as Trump cancelled the event.

No one is claiming protestors should stay at home. They should apply for protest permits (and follow them, including not invading one another's physical spaces) or should hold their own events. Just because we don't like Trump does not give carte blanche for the violence they displayed. This is exactly the moral justification Trump supporters use in originally attacking protestors at other events.
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i think we all know what would have happened had the event not been cancelled - the same thing that always happens
 
Pepboy said:
I am okay with laws that prohibit forms of protests that are likely to erupt in violence or destruction of property. If Trump supporters dislike minorities and LGBT, I would not want them being allowed to protest a gay pride parade in a way that would likely cause violence. Just because we see ourselves on the side of equality and progress does not actually mean our opinions are more valued -- it still needs to be handled peacefully and within the system. I believe news coverage of the attacked minorities was already doing its job of convincing independents. Raising awareness is also important but also needs to be done peacefully and legally.
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Sorry man certain opinions mean more than others especially when there is a majority of people against what trump is inciting.
 
BoboBrazil said:
Cruz is the worst option bro. He is worse than Trump.
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Cruz is much more hateable than Trump and actually has higher negatives than Trump. So he has even less of a chance in a GE.

gutter_trash said:
wrong, the point is to keep Rubio, Jeb, Kasich, Romney out

Trump = Dem insta win
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At this point, the amount of fuckery the Republican party would have to go through to get any of those guys on the ticket would destroy their GE chances.
 
Pepboy said:
I am okay with laws that prohibit forms of protests that are likely to erupt in violence or destruction of property. If Trump supporters dislike minorities and LGBT, I would not want them being allowed to protest a gay pride parade in a way that would likely cause violence. Just because we see ourselves on the side of equality and progress does not actually mean our opinions are more valued -- it still needs to be handled peacefully and within the system. I believe news coverage of the attacked minorities was already doing its job of convincing independents. Raising awareness is also important but also needs to be done peacefully and legally.
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and what do we know about the system? News coverage doing enough? Laughable. Absolute tosh.

Peaceful and legally? Are we not having the same cyclical conversation here? What did I just say about legality? Wouldn't the trump protesters at that point simply become dispensers of hate speech? What is it you think these people are fighting for?

Is it not worth being locked up? Do you ask these questions?

sorry I am drunk I will admit it's just every day I hear the same fucking bullshit answers here on GAF, I intentionally forfeit excellent grammar, spelling, vocabulary etc, on this site because every disingenuous motherfucker I've read here uses them as a smoke screen, for dialectic bullshit to hide intentions and mostly their own malice and hatred.

I don't think you agree with me, because if you did you wouldn't even think about questioning why those people are there, let alone anything as trivial as legality.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's so obvious when people have never actually protested anything but still find it appropriate to tell others how to.
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Just because I have not protested does not mean I don't have an equal say in what sorts of protest I would like to see in the country. I have engaged in numerous dialogues in person and online on a variety of channels, because I see that as an effective method of communicating values. I am fine with people who want to stand on a street raising awareness. But yes, I do not support thinly veiled protests that attempt violence for the purpose of raising awareness. Let the opposition's aggression and inequality destroy their own message, do not need to fight back physically or invade personal space.
 
rjinaz said:
Nah it won't. This is over, Trump has this. Might make people think twice in the general especially if this becomes a theme.
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This is just going to make him more popular with the kind of person inclined towards him in the first place

I only hope this kind of passion exists during the general and everyone turns out to vote against this clown
 
Steel said:
Cruz is much more hateable than Trump and actually has higher negatives than Trump. So he has even less of a chance in a GE.
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Wrong. Trump has the highest negatives and has pushed away so many groups. Cruz is a slimeball that will lie cheat and steal to fool people. We need Trump to win the nom so dems get the whitehouse again.
 
I wish every civics lesson made sure to teach people what the First Amendment actually entails.

Freedom of Speech is not freedom to say whatever you like and not have people call you out on it. You can't go to jail for what you say, that's it. That's all the protection the First Amendment offers.
 
Pepboy said:
Just because I have not protested does not mean I don't have an equal say in what sorts of protest I would like to see in the country. I have engaged in numerous dialogues in person and online on a variety of channels, because I see that as an effective method of communicating values. I am fine with people who want to stand on a street raising awareness. But yes, I do not support thinly veiled protests that attempt violence for the purpose of raising awareness. Let the opposition's aggression and inequality destroy their own message, do not need to fight back physically or invade personal space.
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Protests make political disagreement visible.
It's contention for political power by a marginalized, oppressed, or undervalued group.

Protest is one of the only ways revolution has ever peacefully started or occurred. Can you find examples of people destroying oppressive regimes or removing power from assholes without physical protest? Have people in power just been like "yeah you're right, okay" to groups who just said things in nice, calm ways?
 
Pepboy said:
Just because I have not protested does not mean I don't have an equal say in what sorts of protest I would like to see in the country. I have engaged in numerous dialogues in person and online on a variety of channels, because I see that as an effective method of communicating values. I am fine with people who want to stand on a street raising awareness. But yes, I do not support thinly veiled protests that attempt violence for the purpose of raising awareness. Let the opposition's aggression and inequality destroy their own message, do not need to fight back physically or invade personal space.
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If only they'd protest the way you wanted.

They could've had you on there side

Darn the luck, DARN!
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Protests make political disagreement visible.
It's contention for political power by a marginalized, oppressed, or undervalued group.

Protest is one of the only ways revolution has ever peacefully started or occurred. Can you find examples of people destroying oppressing regimes or removing power from assholes without physical protest?
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Have you not read a history book?

Most had permits, were away from what they were protesting, etc.

/s
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
Civil disobedence is a means, and should be the last means. We are not there yet, Trump is still on the campaign trail. He's not the authority yet, and for people to be acting like he is is premature.
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Considering how he has used overt bigotry and approves such violence to make it this far, I wouldn't blame protesters for trying to socially fight his base. His rhetoric has already getting Muslim Americans killed and yet you're worried about such a presentation? Sit by and wait while more die under his name? Fuck that.
 
Black people PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR PERMITS ON YOU, YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO PROTEST THE KILLING AND BEATING OF YOUR PEOPLE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR PERMITS ON HAND AND READY TO BE CHECKED.
 
Fat4all said:
You think protesters are asking for there to be violence?

How the fuck are you reasoning that bullshit?
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Pepboy's never been in a protest. They think it's just a fight or some shit.

Pepboy, you really really need to get physically involved in local politics. See what a protest is like in person. You're full of stupid misconceptions and ideas, and you need personal experience to understand just how wrong you see it.
 
It's easy to yell at Trump supporters, and call them any name you want in the book. However, aren't the protesters just exhibiting the same actions that they claim Trump supporters act as? Protesters screaming violent words, and signs with vulgar things on them. Aren't we supposed to dislike Trump for being vulgar?

I just don't get it. People are allowed to support their candidate of choice. It's their right as American citizens. But it's just nasty to call any Trump supporter a racist or rapist, or anything that I am seeing on the news. I have my candidate of choice, but you won't see me appearing at other candidate's rally and call their supporters distasteful words.
 
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