Massive ongoing protest in Chicago makes Trump "postpone" his event

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allan-bh said:
A curiosity, how people here felt when Black Lives Matter protesters disrupt Sanders's event ?

ps: Not saying is exacly the same thing that happened with Trump, just want to know what you guys thought about that event.
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They were within their rights to do so and that moment helped turn his campaign to be more aware of issues related to discrimination against black people.

Protest is not clean, it is usually loud and messy and in your face because that's the only way people set in their ways will listen. If protesters kept to themselves in a little space out of everyone's way no one would care.
 
allan-bh said:
A curiosity, how people here felt when Black Lives Matter protesters disrupt Sanders's event ?

ps: Not saying is exacly the same thing that happened with Trump, just want to know what you guys thought about that event.
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I was fine with it. It's a protest not a firebombing. If you can't take political protest, you probably shouldn't be running for President. Some Sanders fans thought it was unfair because he wasn't given mich chance to respond, but you know what didn't happen? A fistfight.

I was fine with BLM protesting Hillary, too. I think she probably shouldn't have had the girl escorted out, but at least no one got punched.
 
Hoo-doo said:
This picture, just what the fuck.

They should put this image on every billboard in the country. 'These are the kinds of people you align with when you're voting for Trump.'
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Oh don't worry this picture is going to get plenty of exposure in the general.
 
allan-bh said:
A curiosity, how people here felt when Black Lives Matter protesters disrupt Sanders's event ?

ps: Not saying is exacly the same thing that happened with Trump, just want to know what you guys thought about that event.
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None of them were attacked as the crowd cheered, shoved to the back of the group by an angry mob, bloodied, pinned to the ground by the local PD, nor did Bernie Sanders promote violence towards them. Sanders supporters weren't fired for the things they said to protesters on film or social media, denied government work for harassment, nor do we have countless footage of Sanders supporters yelling racial slurs or threatening to kill BLM protesters.

This is what I am thinking.
 
allan-bh said:
"If you do not listen to her, your event will be shut down right now." That's what a woman said for Bernie Sanders and that according to you is fine.

I'm legit amazed by you.
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You are just so lost in your argument now, that you dont even understand the point u are making anymore
 
besada said:
I was fine with it. It's a protest not a firebombing. If you can't take political protest, you probably shouldn't be running for President. Some Sanders fans thought it was unfair because he wasn't given mich chance to respond, but you know what didn't happen? A fistfight.

I was fine with BLM protesting Hillary, too. I think she probably shouldn't have had the girl escorted out, but at least no one got punched.
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Breads said:
None of them were attacked as the crowd cheered, shoved to the back of the group by an angry mob, bloodied, pinned to the ground by the local PD, nor did Bernie Sanders promote violence towards them. Sanders supporters weren't fired for the things they said to protesters on film or social media, denied government work for harassment, nor do we have countless footage of Sanders supporters yelling racial slurs or threatening to kill BLM protesters.

This is what I am thinking.
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no but what do you really think?
 
allan-bh said:
If protest for you is disrupt an event and demand to be heard or the whole thing will be shut down, yeah, I despise.

What they did with Sanders was horrible.
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Yes, that is a near definition of protest.

And what they did to Sanders was not horrible, it was an eye opening moment that marked a shift in his campaign messaging because he actually listened and learned that these were issues he needed to address more openly.
 
allan-bh said:
If protest for you is disrupt an event and demand to be heard or the whole thing will be shut down, yeah, I despise.

What they did with Sanders was horrible.
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Ah so you'd prefer protests that are easier to ignore. Most of the time you only hear about protests (in the media) when they are disruptive.
 
Arcia said:
Yes, that is a near definition of protest.

And what they did to Sanders was not horrible, it was an eye opening moment that marked a shift in his campaign messaging because he actually listened and learned that these were issues he needed to address more openly.
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"or the whole thing will be shut down". I wonder why you didn't bold that part too.
 
The shouts on both sides were often crude and vulgar. Trump supporters yelled “Go back to Univision” at Hispanic people and hurled a racially charged insult at an African American woman; while those opposed to the candidate shouted “Fuck Donald Trump” and taunted police officers.

Police walked up and down the arena stairs holding sheaves of plastic handcuffs amid fraught but as yet non-violent scenes. Attendees grabbed signs from each other’s hands and several dozen people were ejected from the event long before formalities were scheduled to begin. At least one section of young people was cleared out by police long before the event began, including many of Middle Eastern appearance. “Just because I look like them doesn’t mean I’m with them,” said one.

Then it was announced that Trump wasn’t coming – and the arena erupted into chaos.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...f-in-chicago-amid-protests-violence-and-chaos

There is a growing catalogue of violence at Trump events. In the past week alone an attack on a non-violent protester led to criminal charges against a Trump supporter, and Michelle Fields, a reporter for conservative website Breitbart, was allegedly assaulted by Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager.

Trump’s rhetoric has done little to keep it in check. When the Republican frontrunner appeared in St Louis earlier on Friday, for an event that entailed more than 30 arrests, he complained: “Part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long [to kick protesters out] is nobody wants to hurt each other any more.” Trump added: “There used to be consequences. There are none any more. These people are so bad for our country. You have no idea folks, you have no idea.”
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What a comeback! LOL!


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allan-bh said:
You can't simply threaten to shut down an event if not heard.

Or I speak or no one speaks anymore... that's ridiculous.
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You hate one group getting to speak their mind while another is silenced...

...which is exactly what happens to most minority voices in a white controlled society. And is also why those minority voices are desperately trying to be heard through any means necessary.

Bernie and Trump and other political candidates have the money and privilege to say whatever they want and the media will listen, but Black Lives Matter and other disenfranchised groups don't have that pull. They have to find a way for people to hear them, and sometimes the only way is at these events.

Through protest.
 
I know what NeoGAF thinks of the protest. I know what r/politics thinks of the protest. And I know what r/the_donald thinks of the protest.

But what I'm really curious about, is what 'Middle America' thinks about it. Does Middle America even exist nowadays in these times of political fracturing?
 
Also I love how the "anti-pc" Trump supporters always cry "How dare you call him racist!"

Jesus Christ just fuck off with that bullshit already.
 
allan-bh said:
You can't simply threaten to shut down an event if not heard.

Or I speak or no one speaks anymore... that's ridiculous.
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What's your point? Are you implying that they could shut it down? That they did? That anyone would condone this? Last I recall this was just one person saying a thing yet to you this represents... something more?

I suspect you aren't dense enough to believe that so I'll maintain that the intellectual dishonesty on display here has an ulterior motive. Why else would you be so fixated on the protestors to the point of turning it around to BLM? That is an interesting hill you're fighting for in lieu of the racism/ violence against poc concerns. Although I would agree with you that violence from protesters is deplorable I am picking my battle and siding with the real victims here.

And real victims aren't Trump and his supporters.
 
allan-bh said:
You can't simply threaten to shut down an event if not heard.

Or I speak or no one speaks anymore... that's ridiculous.
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You don't have to literally speak to be heard. Actions are louder then words and they spoke last night. You are being ridiculous man. I'm not even sure what your angle is?
 
Antiwhippy said:
Do you come from a group whose voice has been buried by years of institutionalised racism?
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No, but this is no justification.

I think every country in the world has a debt to black people, but the attiude of certain protesters I really don't like, very rude or even worse.
 
Antiwhippy said:
Also I love how the "anti-pc" Trump supporters always cry "How dare you call him racist!"

Jesus Christ just fuck off with that bullshit already.
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I call him racist because he's been sued multiple times for not renting to black people, has a history of racist remarks, and has racist mob friends.
 
allan-bh said:
No, but this is no justification.

I think every country in the world has a debt to black people, but the attiude of certain protesters I really don't like, very rude or even worse.
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this is so bullshit.

So sorry if the protesters were rude.

I guess they should just mind their manners and sit on their hands while Trump and his supporters rally around racial and religious hatred then.
 
allan-bh said:
No, but this is no justification.

I think every country in the world has a debt to black people, but the attiude of certain protesters I really don't like, very rude or even worse.
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I know your race has been beaten, enslaved and disenfranchised, but for GOD'S SAKES don't be so rude.

It would be hilarious if it weren't so fucking sad.
 
Arcia said:
this is so bullshit.

So sorry if the protesters were rude.

I guess they should just mind their manners and sit on their hands while Trump and his supporters rally around racial and religious hatred then.
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Again, that's about Sanders's disrupted event. About Trump I already said, protests are fine, but the rally didn't happened because of some people, that's not fine.
 
It seems a bit easy to quote an old lady doing the Hitler salute, when you can just as easily show an image of a guy shooting an uzi in the air (source) or pictures of cops being assaulted. These are the extreme fringes within Trump and Bernie's supporters which I don't think are indicative of the large groups following either guy.
 
Hoo-doo said:
This picture, just what the fuck.

They should put this image on every billboard in the country. 'These are the kinds of people you align with when you're voting for Trump.'
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That's hardly new. His supporters have been doing that for a while now.

They think they are being cute.

Hell Trump is making the argument that it's okay to physically attack protesters because it shows you're not PC.
 
allan-bh said:
Again, that's about Sanders's disrupted event. About Trump I already said, protests are fine, but the rally didn't happened because of some people, that's not fine.
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Okay, but nobody at the Sanders event was violent or threatened violence?
According to you, their great offense was being a little rude. GASP!

Also, stop playing around. We all know what you are getting at with this. Some people
 
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