Massive ongoing protest in Chicago makes Trump "postpone" his event

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allan-bh said:
So talking about first amendment is a code for racism in your book? I'm not racist, in fact I think racism is stupid because we are all the same thing, humans.

That said what happened last night was not good because a rally was shut down.
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As I said earlier, you don't seem to actually understand the first amendment very well.

Trump and his supporters' right to free speech was not infringed upon because the government did not stop them or ban them, the public did. So at that point it is one right of free speech against another, and the protesters were the stronger voice.
 
Fat4all said:
A rally was postponed, and I didn't call you a racist, just that you are making the same excuses they currently are making.
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For me is not an excuse, is a fact.

Particularly I think that Donald Trump is a controversy person and I understand why some people hate him, but try to stop his rallies is not the answer.
 
Wonder how Trump feels at this moment. He was just shut down.

Also, these threads are always a graveyard. Like, why do members still rush to the grinder after seeing what happened to other posters who held their same opinions in past threads?
 
allan-bh said:
Pretty peaceful? That's not what I saw in several images on TV. If was peaceful Trump would make his rally, people would be protesting and everything would be fine.
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People have been peacefully protesting Trump for months. It has not been fine. They have repeatedly been subjected to violence that Trump has openly encouraged.

That clip is Maddow but it collects a bunch of Trump's own statements regarding protesters and violence at his rallies.

Where was your concern trolling when peaceful protesters were having their First Amendment rights violently suppressed?
 
Fat4all said:
There are more fistfights when people protest Walmart.
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That wasn't a protest, it was a sale!

allan-bh said:
So talking about first amendment is a code for racism in your book? I'm not racist, in fact I think racism is stupid because we are all the same thing, humans.

That said what happened last night was not good because a rally was shut down.
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A rally wasn't "shut down." It was postponed because Drumpf is a pussy and a bully (a bussy?) that likes to sic numerous cronies on protestors but is scared shitless when the numbers aren't in his favor.
 
So i'd think it would be a sure thing protesters will have to show up tomorrow in Cleveland right? My dad and brother are going (dad loves trump because he watched the apprentice) I told them to be careful. My brother is a bernie fan too, but he will be guilty by association if fights happen again
 
Arcia said:
As I said earlier, you don't seem to actually understand the first amendment very well.

Trump and his supporters' right to free speech was not infringed upon because the government did not stop them or ban them, the public did. So at that point it is one right of free speech against another, and the protesters were the stronger voice.
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WOW.

This is simply absurd. There's no such thing as free speech vs. free speech. That's an universal right in the country, have the strongest voice doesn't mean shut the other.
 
Scofield94941 said:
So i'd think it would be a sure thing protesters will have to show up tomorrow in Cleveland right? My dad and brother are going (dad loves trump because he watched the apprentice) I told them to be careful. My brother is a bernie fan too, but he will be guilty by association if fights happen again
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Well, fights only happened when people started actively trying to egg on and get in peoples faces, so as long as they act like normal people and not someone at a rowdy bar, they should be okay.
 
allan-bh said:
WOW.

This is simply absurd. There's no such thing as free speech vs. free speech. That's an universal right in the country, have the strongest voice doesn't mean shut the other.
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You literally don't know the first amendment.

You are using the same argument people made after that old asshole got taken off Duck Dynasty.
 
allan-bh said:
WOW.

This is simply absurd. There's no such thing as free speech vs. free speech. That's an universal right in the country, have the strongest voice doesn't mean shut the other.
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How was free speech violated then? The rally being postponed is not an answer.
 
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Claude Augario said:
A rally wasn't "shut down." It was postponed because Drumpf is a pussy and a bully (a bussy?) that likes to sic numerous cronies on protestors but is scared shitless when the numbers aren't in his favor.
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It's funny too, because Trump likes to claim his rallies are the biggest by far and wants his supporters to hit back at protesters more but when a few thousand protestors show up at his doorstep he withers like a dying flower.
 
allan-bh said:
WOW.

This is simply absurd. There's no such thing as free speech vs. free speech. That's an universal right in the country, have the strongest voice doesn't mean shut the other.
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People can say whatever they want, but that doesn't mean people have to listen, agree, or condone it.

Also, you would have Trump and his supporters be able to express themselves, but not the protesters? Part of free speech for all is free speech for everyone. And the public of Chicago spoke.
 
Cerium said:
Depending on what happens in Cleveland today, I think it might win him Ohio.


I'm sure you live in a place where everything is wonderful.
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I live in Scotland and we recently had a referendum on Independence. Although it was a heated debate with passionate opinions on both sides I'd say as a nation we conducted ourselves pretty well.

If the presidential candidates can't behave themselves what chance the electorate?
 
allan-bh said:
So talking about first amendment is a code for racism in your book? I'm not racist, in fact I think racism is stupid because we are all the same thing, humans.

That said what happened last night was not good because a rally was shut down.
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Trump chose to cancel the rally. He had security who could have removed protestors, and if he didn't have enough, he should have hired more. He was aware of the likelihood of protestors.

The small number of people who got into physical altercations should go to jail, because that's how the law works. Let the courts settle who started what.

The rest of the protestors weren't breaking any laws. They were exercising their first amendment right to peaceably assemble. Trump chose to cancel the rally because he didn't have enough security on hand to handle the handful of physical altercations. It got worse when Trump's people decided to eject his own supporters directly into the crowd of protestors, at which point knuckleheads on both sides started trouble.

The violence on all sides was deplorable, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with thousands of people showing up to protest at a public rally.
 
Arcia said:
People can say whatever they want, but that doesn't mean people have to listen, agree, or condone it.

Also, you would have Trump and his supporters be able to express themselves, but not the protesters? Part of free speech for all is free speech for everyone. And the public of Chicago spoke.
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Sure, never said the opposite.

And I advocate 100% the right of the protesters, while they respect the rights of others.
 
allan-bh said:
What happened in Chicago is completely against the american values. People has all the right of dislike or even hate Trump and protest against him, but peacefully.

Thousands of people came to the rally to hear Donald Trump and they were prevented by a minority of violent protesters that think that suppress free speech is something to be proud of.

Speaking about politics, I think Trump will gain more support from republican voters after this event and the general election will be very ugly.
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People protesting him aren't doing it because they disagree with him.

They are protesting him because his campaign is emboldening racists and promotes violence and xenophobia. Trump's overt hatred of Islam and hispanics, coded language, and hand waving of the KKK and has empowered bigots to yell racial slurs, attack, and threaten to kill minorities at his own rallies. He condones the violence by telling his supporters that he will pay for their legal fees for assault charges and "fantasizing about what he wants to do to protesters" and his otherist platform already has people pointing at "suspicious unamericans" (people of color) and this is all happening under the banner of "making America great again" which racists, who his campaign has exposed, just take as fuck all minorities. All the while blaming protesters for starting it, further reinforcing the sentiment.

People are protesting him because they view him and his supporters as a threat to their lives and Trump has done nothing to try to distance himself from the racists he so clearly needs to vote for him.

allan-bh said:
For me is not an excuse, is a fact.

Particularly I think that Donald Trump is a controversy person and I understand why some people hate him, but try to stop his rallies is not the answer.
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Trump can stop this right now by taking a hard line stance against racism and xenophobia.

But he won't.

That is the problem.
 
I understand that trump does draw a lot of racists to his rallies and has ... but why do people call him racist? I don't see that much of what he does as racist. Seems like that KKK thing really took off and even if he was trying to get racists on his side I wouldn't say it shows he is racist. Probably just him thinking it would help get support. But this thread is full of people directly calling trump racist which I have no idea about myself. Maybe if I knew the guy in person, on the golf course and at his dinner table I could clearly say if he was racist. If he is racist then he should def. be called out on it and ignored (not that these will happen too much)

Anyways, the protesters seem to be more of join the crowd than to really care (a good portion of them) but some of them seem to actually follow what trump is/does

In the end, trump was really stupid to bring up ideas of hitting/throwing things or whatever at people in the past. Should have been a lot more smart at just caring about people in general. Even if he was going for the racist votes, he could have been himself without exaggerating things to get it... while possibly getting support from others. There is nothing wrong with wanting immigration under control but he often acts like he won't let any of them in even though he changes it up in interviews... (he should be more like his recent interviews and while I do think he has gotten better in what he says people are still hung up on his stupid shit from earlier. I can understand people get mad when tomatoes or anything is thrown, but you should be caring for that person just the same... not saying they should be hit for it.

In the end I almost believe his support and votes will be up from this so I wouldn't celebrate about it to fast. For every protester you are going to have 2 or 3 that join trump and feel he is in the right. Trump really isn't a kind people person though, he seems quite selfish in my eyes. I'd rather see obama there again myself but that aint happening sadly.
 
Bits N Pieces said:
I live in Scotland and we recently had a referendum on Independence. Although it was a heated debate with passionate opinions on both sides I'd say as a nation we conducted ourselves pretty well.

If the presidential candidates can't behave themselves what chance the electorate?
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Bruv your nation is literally on the verge of splitting from the EU and then shattering into pieces with devastating economic consequences.

Yes Trump is an asshole with a unique immunity from public decency. He will be defeated in November, and forgotten in a month.
 
besada said:
Trump chose to cancel the rally. He had security who could have removed protestors, and if he didn't have enough, he should have hired more. He was aware of the likelihood of protestors.

The small number of people who got into physical altercations should go to jail, because that's how the law works. Let the courts settle who started what.

The rest of the protestors weren't breaking any laws. They were exercising their first amendment right to peaceably assemble. Trump chose to cancel the rally because he didn't have enough security on hand to handle the handful of physical altercations. It got worse when Trump's people decided to eject his own supporters directly into the crowd of protestors, at which point knuckleheads on both sides started trouble.

The violence on all sides was deplorable, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with thousands of people showing up to protest at a public rally.
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Let's be reasonable, the situation was tense, at that point if Trump insisted on the rally violence would escalate and the result would be much worse. Cancel the rally was the the wisest decision, but it was caused by some protesters.

In the rest I agree, people that was there peaceably had every right to be and make their voices heard.
 
allan-bh said:
Let's be reasonable, the situation was tense, at that point if Trump insisted on the rally violence would escalate and the result would be much worse.
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And that's the third time in this thread someone claims to know what the alternate timeline WOULD of been.
 
Jack The Nipper said:
I understand that trump does draw a lot of racists to his rallies and has ... but why do people call him racist? I don't see that much of what he does as racist. Seems like that KKK thing really took off and even if he was trying to get racists on his side I wouldn't say it shows he is racist. Probably just him thinking it would help get support. But this thread is full of people directly calling trump racist which I have no idea about myself. Maybe if I knew the guy in person, on the golf course and at his dinner table I could clearly say if he was racist. If he is racist then he should def. be called out on it and ignored (not that these will happen too much)

Anyways, the protesters seem to be more of join the crowd than to really care (a good portion of them) but some of them seem to actually follow what trump is/does

In the end, trump was really stupid to bring up ideas of hitting/throwing things or whatever at people in the past. Should have been a lot more smart at just caring about people in general. Even if he was going for the racist votes, he could have been himself without exaggerating things to get it... while possibly getting support from others. There is nothing wrong with wanting immigration under control but he often acts like he won't let any of them in even though he changes it up in interviews... (he should be more like his recent interviews and while I do think he has gotten better in what he says people are still hung up on his stupid shit from earlier. I can understand people get mad when tomatoes or anything is thrown, but you should be caring for that person just the same... not saying they should be hit for it.

In the end I almost believe his support and votes will be up from this so I wouldn't celebrate about it to fast. For every protester you are going to have 2 or 3 that join trump and feel he is in the right. Trump really isn't a kind people person though, he seems quite selfish in my eyes. I'd rather see obama there again myself but that aint happening sadly.
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They call him racist because he is and he should absolutely be hit by all the tomatoes for it. Fuck him.
 
Jack The Nipper said:
I understand that trump does draw a lot of racists to his rallies and has ... but why do people call him racist?
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He gave the KKK and white supremacy the benefit of the doubt before condemning them (hint: he never actually did) and openly said racist things against Muslims and hispanics.

What else do you want?
 
allan-bh said:
Let's be reasonable, the situation was tense, at that point if Trump insisted on the rally violence would escalate and the result would be much worse. Cancel the rally was the the wisest decision, but it was caused by some protesters.

In the rest I agree, people that was there peaceably had every right to be and make their voices heard.
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Well, it was caused by a mixture of protestors and supporters. It takes two to tango. But security is there for just such a situation. And it's been used multiple times to remove protestors. Again, the vast majority of people outside were peaceful until Trump sent his supporters out front.
 
Jack The Nipper said:
I understand that trump does draw a lot of racists to his rallies and has ... but why do people call him racist? I don't see that much of what he does as racist. Seems like that KKK thing really took off and even if he was trying to get racists on his side I wouldn't say it shows he is racist. Probably just him thinking it would help get support. But this thread is full of people directly calling trump racist which I have no idea about myself. Maybe if I knew the guy in person, on the golf course and at his dinner table I could clearly say if he was racist. If he is racist then he should def. be called out on it and ignored (not that these will happen too much)

Anyways, the protesters seem to be more of join the crowd than to really care (a good portion of them) but some of them seem to actually follow what trump is/does

In the end, trump was really stupid to bring up ideas of hitting/throwing things or whatever at people in the past. Should have been a lot more smart at just caring about people in general. Even if he was going for the racist votes, he could have been himself without exaggerating things to get it... while possibly getting support from others. There is nothing wrong with wanting immigration under control but he often acts like he won't let any of them in even though he changes it up in interviews... (he should be more like his recent interviews and while I do think he has gotten better in what he says people are still hung up on his stupid shit from earlier. I can understand people get mad when tomatoes or anything is thrown, but you should be caring for that person just the same... not saying they should be hit for it.

In the end I almost believe his support and votes will be up from this so I wouldn't celebrate about it to fast. For every protester you are going to have 2 or 3 that join trump and feel he is in the right. Trump really isn't a kind people person though, he seems quite selfish in my eyes. I'd rather see obama there again myself but that aint happening sadly.
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So wait, from what I'm reading here you can only determine if someone's a racist from spending personal one on one time with them? Well fuck me David Duke's probably a fine gentleman then, wouldn't want to impugn his honor.

Also not denouncing the KKK when they back you is to support the KKK which is pretty darn racist in my book.
 
Rembrandt said:
They call him racist because he is and he should absolutely be hit by all the tomatoes for it. Fuck him.
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Like, in that Rachel Maddow montage of all of the times Trump threw people out of his rallies, he stopped just short of insinuating that all black people were bad and contributed nothing to society. This was at the rally he held earlier in the day before the one in Chicago by the way.
 
Chi-Town shutting down Trump!

Proud of my City and hopefully this carries over. No violence tho, not acceptable in any kind of protest.
 
Obviously a mass riot akin to the middle of RoboCop would of occurred if Trump went to Chicago. Those thugs would not have been able to control themselves.

:/

allan-bh said:
If you don't think that is reasonable to believe that violence would escalate, I don't know how to continue to discuss the subject with you.
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The cops would have arrested 7 people instead of 5.

(I'm using the same superpower you're using)
 
Breads said:
He gave the KKK and white supremacy the benefit of the doubt before condemning them (hint: he never actually did) and openly said racist things against Muslims and hispanics.

What else do you want?
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He also retweeted false statistics on black violence from a white supremacist group.

To quote John Oliver, he's either racist or pretending to be in order to gain votes. And at some point, there really isn't a difference between the two.
 
allan-bh said:
Sure, never said the opposite.

And I advocate 100% the right of the protesters, while they respect the rights of others.
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Which the vast majority of them did, so do you have a point?

NEO0MJ said:
Wonder how Trump feels at this moment. He was just shut down.

Also, these threads are always a graveyard. Like, why do members still rush to the grinder after seeing what happened to other posters who held their same opinions in past threads?
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Trump got what he wanted, a fuck ton of easy publicity.
 
A curiosity, how people here felt when Black Lives Matter protesters disrupt Sanders's event ?

ps: Not saying is exacly the same thing that happened with Trump, just want to know what you guys thought about that event.
 
allan-bh said:
A curiosity, how people here felt when Black Lives Matter protesters disrupt Sanders's event ?

ps: Not saying is exacly the same thing that happened with Trump, just want to know what you guys thought about that event.
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It's just like when anyone protests, like Code Pink or whoever.

The difference is that when you protest a Trump rally you have a good chance of getting sucker punched for being black.
 
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