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[NYCmetsfan]

I assume it breaks Hillary's wires that she is coming into danger of losing what she feels entitled to by bonds of marriage and establishment cred to an uppity jew after losing to an uppity black man in 2008.

the fact hillary continues to run and participate in public service when she could make a lot more running the clinton foundation and continuing to give speeches, in the face of comments like these, says everything about her character

 

[Tesseract]

amazing. and then when we have a gop president will you trumpet your horn of success at sending a message or whatever excuse you have?

what excuse, hillary has failed to earn my vote

it's up to her to win, or lose

 

[royalan]

I assume it breaks Hillary's wires that she is coming into danger of losing what she feels entitled to by bonds of marriage and establishment cred to an uppity jew after losing to an uppity black man in 2008.

Wow, despite how terribly offensive this post ended, Hillary is also not in danger of losing.

She currently holds a lead of 220 pledged delegates over Bernie. To get a sense of how overwhelming that is, at his peak, when everyone was calling the race over and asking Hillary Clinton to drop out in 2008, Barack Obama only ever had a lead of around 100 pledged delegates.

 

[Principate]

the fact hillary continues to run and participate in public service when she could make a lot more running the clinton foundation and continuing to give speeches, in the face of comments like these, says everything about her character

TBF it wouldn't be the first time thought of putting personal achievement over money. I'm not saying that's what she's doing but you could certainly make that arguement if you were coming from his point of view.

 

[Ogrekiller]

what excuse, hillary has failed to earn my vote

it's up to her to win, or lose

So now you expect her to pander to you. Isn't that what you don't want?

 

[rush777]

Could you imagine the vitriol from Hillary Supporters if Bernie had said this? Let alone the Regan comments? The smug arrogant and quite frankly hypocritical responses from the majority of her supporters on Gaf is shameful. Literally Fox News lemming level.

She fucked up, Fucking own it.

 

[theshizzle]

amazing. and then when we have a gop president will you trumpet your horn of success at sending a message or whatever excuse you have? you will be denying another progressive the path to the potus another decade or more, someone who could follow in bernie's path and forge forward.

You can't force me to vote for someone. I'm gonna vote for the person who I want. I refuse to vote strategically and if that means we get Trump as president, then maybe we shouldn't have this stupid fucking First Past the Post system.

 

[Tesseract]

So now you expect her to pander to you. Isn't that what you don't want?

Exactly. It's too late for her, she's to the neoliberals what rubio is to the neocons.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Could you imagine the vitriol from Hillary Supporters if Bernie had said this? Let alone the Regan comments? The smug arrogant and quite frankly hypocritical responses from the majority of her supporters on Gaf is shameful. Literally Fox News lemming level.

She fucked up, Fucking own it.

it was sarcasm

it was just a PRANK bro

 

[The Technomancer]

You can't force me to vote for someone. I'm gonna vote for the person who I want. I refuse to vote strategically and if that means we get Trump as president, then maybe we shouldn't have this stupid fucking First Past the Post system.

That's great

I'm sure however many people he does manage to deport will at least be reassured that you maintained your moral integrity

 

[Dirtyshubb]

the fact hillary continues to run and participate in public service when she could make a lot more running the clinton foundation and continuing to give speeches, in the face of comments like these, says everything about her character

Whith regards to the whole 'making more money' idea, in my experience politicians (especially us and UK) ultimate goal is to become head of state where you can shift the laws a little more to your friends interests and help securing more control for you chosen party for when you leave and move onto a cushy private sector job.

While Hillary could leave now and make money, if she holds out and becomes president she can do a lot more for her personal interests and friends. Now will she still do some good for the people? Of course but ultimately I bet there will be aspects of laws passed under her watch that removes personal privacy, increases loopholes and beneficial laws for private interests and established party concerns.

Of course for a time she will be considered to be a good president, until we have had some time to fully appreciate the changes brought in by her and realise the people were fucked over a lot more than they realised. The same thing is happening to Obama and in the UK Tony Blair was the same and to many Cameron is the same. if Hillary becomes president I bet the same thing will play out.

 

[theshizzle]

That's great

I'm sure however many people he does manage to deport will at least be reassured that you maintained your moral integrity

Why is that burden on me? Why don't Hillary supporters switch their vote to Bernie?

 

[eBay Huckster]

This.. this is a bit ridiculous. Or are you joking? I can't tell :/

tesseract is to completely serious posts as certain other posters itt are to the concept of receipts

Spoiler

which is to say this post in particular is about 10% snark and 90% a benji fork

Why is that burden on me? Why don't you Hillary supporters switch their vote to Bernie?

i mean, considering we're talking about the general election, in which barry sanders will not be present in printed form on any ballots,

 

[SneakersSO]

And, even further emboldening me to never vote for Hillary Clinton in the GE. I hope we have a miracle & Bernie winds up being the democratic nom. He's the only person i'd vote for, outside of another independent (Jill Stein)if he drops out of the race.

 

[Valhelm]

And, even further emboldening me to never vote for Hillary Clinton in the GE. I hope we have a miracle & Bernie winds up being the democratic nom. He's the only person i'd vote for, outside of another independent (Jill Stein)if he drops out of the race.

Well, Hillary is still a lot less awful than the Republican opposition. Even if you dislike her, a reluctant vote for her actively prevents the GOP from regaining control of this country.

 

[Tesseract]

That's great

I'm sure however many people he does manage to deport will at least be reassured that you maintained your moral integrity

Burden isn't ours, it's yours and Hillary's

And shaming people to vote doesn't work

 

[Odrion]

During an argument between candidates, someone once told me "Oh yeah well once Bernie loses you're just going to vote for my gal Hillary anyways."

I didn't say "Oh yeah, no I'm not!!" but I thought "Wow, this person is pathetic."

 

[GreatestHits]

People getting membered by the goldmember

Yeah if Bernie doesn't pull off a miracle I'm voting for Cruz. Fuck Hillary, it's a joke upon the human (and all other races in the galaxy) that she's in the same party as Bernie

 

[Ogrekiller]

Why is that burden on me? Why don't Hillary supporters switch their vote to Bernie?

Who wants to vote for a loser?

 

[Tesseract]

We need a real leader, we don't need babies.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Burden isn't ours, it's yours and Hillary's

And shaming people to vote doesn't work

It does

http://isps.yale.edu/sites/default/files/publication/2012/12/ISPS08-001.pdf

Voter turnout theories based on rational self-interested behavior generally fail to predict significant
turnout unless they account for the utility that citizens receive from performing their civic duty.
We distinguish between two aspects of this type of utility, intrinsic satisfaction from behaving
in accordance with a norm and extrinsic incentives to comply, and test the effects of priming intrinsic
motives and applying varying degrees of extrinsic pressure. A large-scale field experiment involving
several hundred thousand registered voters used a series of mailings to gauge these effects. Substantially
higher turnout was observed among those who received mailings promising to publicize their turnout
to their household or their neighbors. These findings demonstrate the profound importance of social
pressure as an inducement to political participation.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Why is that burden on me? Why don't Hillary supporters switch their vote to Bernie?

They will in the GE if Sanders wins

 

[Valhelm]

Who wants to vote for a loser?

Bernie's never lost a presidential bid

They will in the GE if Sanders wins

I'd really love to see polling data on this, if it exists. I'm sure the vast majority of Democrats would vote for Sanders in this case, but I could imagine older white voters not participating if Hillary loses.

 

[dream]

Burden isn't ours, it's yours and Hillary's

And shaming people to vote doesn't work

It's nuts. They're basically saying "we don't give a shit about what you value, but you'd better compromise your values for us."

 

[Real Hero]

Could you imagine the vitriol from Hillary Supporters if Bernie had said this? Let alone the Regan comments? The smug arrogant and quite frankly hypocritical responses from the majority of her supporters on Gaf is shameful. Literally Fox News lemming level.

She fucked up, Fucking own it.

When he made his ghetto gaffe people on here were calling for him to drop out of the race before he destroyed his and the parties reputation.

 

[SneakersSO]

Well, Hillary is still a lot less awful than the Republican opposition. Even if you dislike her, a reluctant vote for her actively prevents the GOP from regaining control of this country.

Except, I only vote in candidates I actually believe in. Sure, she's better than the entire GOP candidates, but that doesn't mean i'm voting for any of them. If she wants to earn my vote, maybe she should start addressing the mountain of concerns & criticisms I have versus throwing out lies.

 

[GreatestHits]

It does

http://isps.yale.edu/sites/default/files/publication/2012/12/ISPS08-001.pdf

Spoiler

You need to science less

It's disturbing that you indoctrinate a study like that into the soul of your cells, as it seems

 

[Ryaaan14]

This thread has gotten messy

Has she addressed this fuckup yet

 

[Ogrekiller]

Bernie's never lost a presidential bid

He's losing to someone who has... so the transitive property of losing to a loser means he's an even bigger of a loser then.

 

[Aureon]

People getting membered by the goldmember

Yeah if Bernie doesn't pull off a miracle I'm voting for Cruz. Fuck Hillary, it's a joke upon the human (and all other races in the galaxy) that she's in the same party as Bernie

Because she failed to fact-check a minor statement about the 90s?

 

[ampere]

These mental gymnastics are so confusing. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-health-care/index.html

That's a really stupid reply. Could easily say "he didn't co-sponsor Hillary's bill", but instead they want to make it a semantics debate??

 

[Particle Physicist]

People getting membered by the goldmember

Yeah if Bernie doesn't pull off a miracle I'm voting for Cruz. Fuck Hillary, it's a joke upon the human (and all other races in the galaxy) that she's in the same party as Bernie

Wat?

...

 

[FunkyMunkey]

You can't force me to vote for someone. I'm gonna vote for the person who I want. I refuse to vote strategically and if that means we get Trump as president, then maybe we shouldn't have this stupid fucking First Past the Pole system.

honestly i don't know why the "you can't force me" shit is the first thing people say. no one is saying that. i just hope you and whoever else says fuck it when (not if) sanders doesn't get the nomination, is fully aware that you are helping the gop win the potus and most likely setting back a chance of progressive influence via the executive branch (and judiciary through sc nominations) another decade or more. the "i choose zero/negative progress vs slow progress" is a valid stance sure, but it's not one that is friendly towards progressiveness, quite the opposite actually.

i'm assuming when sanders almost assuredly endorses clinton, you're going to go against his wishes still?

 

[Tesseract]

Because she failed to fact-check a minor statement about the 90s?

Where are those paid speeches? Where's the announcement that yes indeed, healthcare and education are human rights. Where's my free ps4?

 

[GreatestHits]

Because she failed to fact-check a minor statement about the 90s?

Yup.

It is a glaring show of character. If you excuse stuff like that in your candidate then good luck to you

However, it must be stated once again, that the evidence in the article doesn't dispute the fact that she might be referring to the fact that Bernie may be criticizing her, however unlikely

edit: see below, knew it was coming. That should be more of the topic at hand in this thread

 

[Particle Physicist]

This thread has gotten messy

Has she addressed this fuckup yet

It wasn't a fuckup. The quote is taken out of context and is about her being in the front lines of Health Care reform in this country for a long time despite what Bernie says about her. That is why you don't see any major news stations running with this.

 

[ampere]

You can't force me to vote for someone. I'm gonna vote for the person who I want. I refuse to vote strategically and if that means we get Trump as president, then maybe we shouldn't have this stupid fucking First Past the Post system.

Watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btJfkPBLULg

tl;dr If you don't live in a swing state, do whatever you want. If you live in a swing state and don't vote, you're enabling Donald Trump and your reason is that you want to have a petty bullshit temper tantrum.

 

[SneakersSO]

Where are those paid speeches? Where's the announcement that yes indeed, healthcare and education are human rights. Where's my free ps4?

You need to take that up with Taco Bell. Wait, are they in Hilldawg's pockets too? What do you know Tesseract!

 

[Volimar]

And as a casual observer, you're not the only person they do this to.

The irony is when pressed on their aggressive support of Hillary, many of them default to using rhetoric about being persecuted because they're "not falling in line."

Are you saying that it's the Hillary supporters with the persecution complex? I'm a Sanders supporter and even I am sick of his supporters claiming that everything is an attack from the establishment.

 

[dream]

honestly i don't know why the "you can't force me" shit is the first thing people say. no one is saying that. i just hope you and whoever else says fuck it when (not if) sanders doesn't get the nomination, is fully aware that you are helping the gop win the potus and most likely setting back a chance of progressive influence via the executive branch (and judiciary through sc nominations) another decade or more. the "i choose zero/negative progress vs slow progress" is a valid stance sure, but it's not one that is friendly towards progressiveness, quite the opposite actually.

I don't "forcing" is the right term, either. As your post shows, it's more shaming and guilt-tripping than anything.

 

[Suikoguy]

So now you expect her to pander to you. Isn't that what you don't want?

For those unaware, we just ignore Tesseract now. He lost the plot awhile ago, and is just in some 'space' beyond trolling. Don't know what you would call it.

By all means attempt to engage in a conversation with him, but it does nothing like the googles in Final Fantasy 6.

 

[Valhelm]

Except, I only vote in candidates I actually believe in. Sure, she's better than the entire GOP candidates, but that doesn't mean i'm voting for any of them. If she wants to earn my vote, maybe she should start addressing the mountain of concerns & criticisms I have versus throwing out lies.

I can understand why you don't want to vote for candidates you disagree with, but a vote for Clinton would objectively do more good than abstaining.

 

[Ryaaan14]

It wasn't a fuckup. The quote is taken out of context and is about her being in the front lines of Health Care reform in this country for a long time despite what Bernie says about her. That is why you don't see any major news stations running with this.

Oh forreal

🤔

 

[Dominican Power]

Except, I only vote in candidates I actually believe in. Sure, she's better than the entire GOP candidates, but that doesn't mean i'm voting for any of them. If she wants to earn my vote, maybe she should start addressing the mountain of concerns & criticisms I have versus throwing out lies.

Fuck beliefs. Do you really want to fuck up the country because your beliefs don't exactly line up? Who in the right mind wants Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, or Donald Trump as their president? We'd be the laughing stock of the world. People are thinking too much about the president domestically. The President is the face of the country to the entire fucking world. I'd vote for Hillary or Bernie to keep these Republican circus clowns from the oval office. An ideological battle is fine in the primary but once the Dems have their nominee, whomever that may be, everyone better fall in line and vote for them.

 

[Ogrekiller]

For those unaware, we just ignore Tesseract now. He lost the plot awhile ago, and is just in some 'space' beyond trolling. Don't know what you would call it.

By all means attempt to engage in a conversation with him, but it does nothing like the googles in Final Fantasy.

I know. It's funny talking to him, like it was cheering on Trump 2 weeks ago.

 

[Kathian]

During an argument between candidates, someone once told me "Oh yeah well once Bernie loses you're just going to vote for my gal Hillary anyways."

I didn't think "Oh yeah, no I'm not!!" but "Wow, this person is pathetic."

This strikes me about a group of Dems for a few years now. They've been treating 2016 as an easy win for years and been prepping to coronate Clinton.

Not one of them has sat and thought that if the Democrats can win by 'demographic statistics' (people over estimate the importance of the minority vote and underestimate the variability of the white vote) then they can vote anyone in so really they shouldn't exactly care.

 

[The Technomancer]

Why is that burden on me? Why don't Hillary supporters switch their vote to Bernie?

In November? You bet your ass I will. I have serious problems with Bernie but if he wins the nomination I'll be first in line to punch the ballot for him

But this is not a fucking game. This isn't a TV show where we cheer when the good guys win and boo when the bad guys do well. When the guy you support doesn't win, you get out and you vote for the second best option, you don't take your ball and go home

You don't like the first past the post system? Awesome. What do you do about it? Because your "protest" non-vote? That doesn't do jack shit. There's no committee in government that looks at voter turnout, no group of people who are going to say "huh, look at how low participation was, guess its time we overhaul the election system".
Do you attend rallies with like minded individuals? Do you write pieces to try and persuade others to your perspective? Are you active in local politics? Hell, have you actually considered becoming involved directly? How do you think the Tea Party revolution happened in 2010? Find the people who are pissed off like you are and help them do something about it
But don't sit on your ass smugly asserting that at least you didn't have any part in this nonsense because you were so above it all that none of the candidates were worth your time

 

[GreatestHits]

For those unaware, we just ignore Tesseract now. He lost the plot awhile ago, and is just in some 'space' beyond trolling. Don't know what you would call it.

By all means attempt to engage in a conversation with him, but it does nothing like the googles in Final Fantasy 6.

He has transcended trolling. How dare you mock one of our brightest patients

Sometimes words become futile to express or explain a situation, exceptionally so when politicians start spinning and everyone gets dizzy. This is when brilliant trolling, done as a satirical art, comes in handy

tldr; vote for Trump

 

[Ekai]

For those unaware, we just ignore Tesseract now. He lost the plot awhile ago, and is just in some 'space' beyond trolling. Don't know what you would call it.

By all means attempt to engage in a conversation with him, but it does nothing like the googles in Final Fantasy 6.

Really feels like you could just be talking about yourself here.

And as a casual observer, you're not the only person they do this to.

The irony is when pressed on their aggressive support of Hillary, many of them default to using rhetoric about being persecuted because they're "not falling in line."

Well, I'm glad a casual observer is seeing it too.

 

[Ogrekiller]

In November? You bet your ass I will. I have serious problems with Bernie but if he wins the nomination I'll be first in line to punch the ballot for him

But this is not a fucking game. This isn't a TV show where we cheer when the good guys win and boo when the bad guys do well. When the guy you support doesn't win, you get out and you vote for the second best option, you don't take your ball and go home

You don't like the first past the post system? Awesome. What do you do about it? Because your "protest" non-vote? That doesn't do jack shit. There's no committee in government that looks at voter turnout, no group of people who are going to say "huh, look at how low participation was, guess its time we overhaul the election system". Do you attend rallies with like minded individuals? Do you write pieces to try and persuade others to your perspective? Are you active in local politics? Hell, have you actually considered becoming involved directly? How do you think the Tea Party revolution happened in 2010? But don't sit on your ass smugly asserting that at least you didn't have any part in this nonsense because you were so above it all that none of the candidates were worth your time

Meh, with luck Hillary doesn't even need their votes to win. She should just burn the bridges and bury Bernie with lies and his own history. All she needs to do now is tie, so destroy him and get a real establishment senator that would get policy voted in Vermont, not this thorn in the side.