AMD Polaris architecture to succeed Graphics Core Next

Aztechnology said:
There's really no way to know outside of projected bandwidths etc. The high ends seem to be similar but we have no idea if the low, medium or high end will be released in what order for each respective company and how they will compare.
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If the high end isn't much better then I have no reason to hold out for a better GPU thanks.
 
bomblord1 said:
If the high end isn't much better then I have no reason to hold out for a better GPU thanks.
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Better than what Pascal? Neither is out nor has concrete details yet. I'm saying from what we've seen there doesn't seem to be huge differences. But so little information has actually been released we can't know. There's still so much to learn and I'm really not the person to commenting on this.

I'm just going from what I've heard from others and read on sites such as wccftech.
 
Aztechnology said:
Better than what Pascal? Neither is out nor has concrete details yet. I'm saying from what we've seen there doesn't seem to be huge differences. But so little information has actually been released we can't know. There's still so much to learn and I'm really not the person to commenting on this.

I'm just going from what I've heard from others and read on sites such as wccftech.
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Do you think they'll use HBM2? The ones releasing this year that is.
 
Aztechnology said:
Better than what Pascal? Neither is out nor has concrete details yet. I'm saying from what we've seen there doesn't seem to be huge differences. But so little information has actually been released we can't know. There's still so much to learn and I'm really not the person to commenting on this.

I'm just going from what I've heard from others and read on sites such as wccftech.
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Price range and power consumption are also critical in my eyes. Actually. I don't feel ready to move completely to 4k gaming. So what I expect of the new architecture is to quickly provide me with cards on par with a gtx 980ti but with a price range and power consumption closer to a 970.
 
Micerider said:
Price range and power consumption are also critical in my eyes. Actually. I don't feel ready to move completely to 4k gaming. So what I expect of the new architecture is to quickly provide me with cards on par with a gtx 980ti but with a price range and power consumption closer to a 970.
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I think that's a realistic goal. The TDP of the lower/medium card (unkown) that has been cited seems to indicate a Perfomance per Watt increase of ~2x what Nvidia has with the 900 series. Of course this was seen when frame rate and other restrictions were in place so that was under completely optimal conditions. Nevertheless it's a great improvement from AMD. As far as price we know AMD pretty much always beats Nvidia on that end out of necessity.

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Additionally, if we take into account that a GTX 950 would normally average less than 100W on its own excluding other system components. This indicates that the Polaris video card is only using roughly 50W, making it twice as power efficient as the Nvidia Maxwell based GTX 950 graphics
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http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris/
 
jeff_rigby said:
he new memory fabric confirms this: 4 TF APU! I suspect in the short term the mainstream/cheapest APU will be PS4 level performance.
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Well >8 TF with Single-Precision.
But this will be an HPC-Multi-Chip-Module, I wonder if the consumer will get a buyable version of it.

Raven Ridge on the other hand could be still quite potent, but this will strongly depend on the memory which is used.
 
dr_rus said:
Will bump this with new info from GDC: AMD announces GPU roadmap for 2016-2019, POLARIS to be followed by VEGA and NAVI

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So it looks like AMD won't have an HBM2 card this year either and Polaris is likely to be using GDDR5(X) like GP104. Was expected but anyway - nice to see the official plans.
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Polaris cards will likely take on Pascal GP104 and lower.

Vega (formerly Greenland) should be equivalent to GP100 cards (Titan and "GTX 1080 Ti")

Navi vs Volta.

So... I would imagine next gen console graphics would be based on Navi architecture (given the time frame on the roadmap) just as PS4 / Xbox One GPUs are based on Southern Islands.
 
I'm curious as to way HBM2 had been delayed until next year? I was under the impression there was no production troubles with HBM2. Were there yield troubles pushing back production?
 
Stevey said:
Everyone I know IRL runs Nvidia.
It'd be good if this was a big thing for AMD, but I just can't see it happening.
It's like HD-DVD vs Blu-ray.
Same deal with Intel/AMD.
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That's not even close to the same thing. Maybe you're just a little tiny bit too proud about your circle of friends and their purchasing habits...

Blanquito said:
So what would "netgen memory" be in this case? Are they talking about something like HBM3 or something else entirely?
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I think suped up HBM2 so HBM2.5 or maybe I was reading the wrong thing...
 
Zojirushi said:
Also HBM seems dumb anyway. Who's gonna buy a 4GB card in 2016?
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The major plus to HBM is that you can compensate low storage with insanely high bandwidth. GDDR5X will also barely be more expensive to manufacture and is mostly backwards compatible with GDDR5, while providing double the bandwidth (I think it was up to 480gbps) so most mid/high cards not using HBM will still not run into memory bottlenecks.
 
Hasney said:
Judging by the 970's success, a lot of people?

Sure, no-one will probably buy a high range card with that, but mid range is still going to be 4GB territory.
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Do we have examples with currently available cards where for example a 4GB 980 runs out of memory but a 4GB Fury is still fine?

I always thought at a certain point (very high textures) it doesn't matter how fast you RAM is if you simple don't have enough of it.
 
neurosisxeno said:
The major plus to HBM is that you can compensate low storage with insanely high bandwidth. GDDR5X will also barely be more expensive to manufacture and is mostly backwards compatible with GDDR5, while providing double the bandwidth (I think it was up to 480gbps) so most mid/high cards not using HBM will still not run into memory bottlenecks.
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That was kinda my point. I would expect Polaris using GDDR5X because bandwidth is good enough and you can put out 8GB cards.

HBM seems pointless to me.
 
Round up for those confused:

Polaris (formerly Greenland) 10 and 11 GPUs are releasing this year. They are lower power GPUs.Polaris 11 is aimed for laptops. Polaris 10 is more powerful but a lower-end desktop part with some very impressive perf/watt.

Vega GPUs are coming 2017. These are high-end. Expect nvidia to roll out lower power Pascal GPUs first as well.

Radeon Pro Duo will have to satisfy AMD fans looking for new enthusiast products this year.
 
From Ryan@Ananadtech:
Meanwhile AMD has also confirmed the number of GPUs in the Vega stack and their names. We’ll be seeing a Vega 10 and a Vega 11. This follows Polaris GPU naming – which has finally been confirmed – with Polaris 10 and Polaris 11. I have also been told that Polaris 11 is the smaller of the Polaris GPUs, so at this point it’s reasonable to assume the same for Vega.
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So two Polaris GPUs this year and two Vega GPUs next year. Vega 10 will be the top end with HBM2. I wonder where they'll fit Vega 11, if they plan on Polaris and Vega co-existing on the market...

Newboi said:
I'm curious as to way HBM2 had been delayed until next year? I was under the impression there was no production troubles with HBM2. Were there yield troubles pushing back production?
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It wasn't delayed, it's just not needed for the type of consumer GPUs which are coming this year. Both GP104 (and lower) and Polaris 10/11 will get enough bandwidth with GDDR5X or GDDR5 even. And I'm pretty sure that NV will use HBM2 on GP100 this year - but it will go into supercomputers and Tesla products and a new Titan maybe.

Coulomb_Barrier said:
Polaris 10 is more powerful but a lower-end desktop part with some very impressive perf/watt.
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I fully expect this "lower end desktop part" to compete with GP104 cards at $500-600 price point like it was the case with GK104 and Tahiti.
 
dr_rus said:
I don't think so. I think that Fury X will be EOL with Polaris 10 launch and P10 will come with 8GBs of GDDR5X. Going with limited to 4GB HBM1 would be a mistake in 2016.
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Wait, current Fury X with 4Gb HBM1 and Fury X 2 with 8Gb GDDR5X? That is like walking bakwards...
 
I have a 3GB 7970 that is getting long in the tooth. I was planning on upgrading this year with my Occulus coming in June. Should I not even bother? I don't even know what I would upgrade to at this point.
 
OnionPowder said:
Looks like I'm not upgrading until next year then.
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This. I guess my 290X will have to hold me over in 20162016 (unless there is a pleasant surprise). Goddammit, all I want is a competent UHD gaming card. It doesn't seem like neither AMD nor Nvidia will deliver that this year.
 
Hari Seldon said:
I have a 3GB 7970 that is getting long in the tooth. I was planning on upgrading this year with my Occulus coming in June. Should I not even bother? I don't even know what I would upgrade to at this point.
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Also have a 3GB 7970 (reference design), albeit recently inherited a friends DirectCUII one, so running in Crossfire (which too few games support at launch, if ever), but I'm definitely upgrading this summer/fall, either to AMD 490 series (if there are any by august), or whatever Nvidia offers. I'm done waiting for the next big thing to actually bring something huge with regards to performance (compared to prior generation of cards).
 
Coulomb_Barrier said:
Round up for those confused:

Polaris (formerly Greenland) 10 and 11 GPUs are releasing this year. They are lower power GPUs.Polaris 11 is aimed for laptops. Polaris 10 is more powerful but a lower-end desktop part with some very impressive perf/watt.

Vega GPUs are coming 2017. These are high-end. Expect nvidia to roll out lower power Pascal GPUs first as well.
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That seems VERY unlikely.

Nvidia first Pascal is the 1080 one, that will be incredibly expensive. It's not very plausible that AMD will release nothing to fight in that slot.

Nor it's very plausible that the big market (970/290) will get absolutely nothing until 2017. Come on.

Nvidia also released the 950/960 AFTER the 980/970. It makes NO SENSE that they are releasing once again low end graphic cards.
 
Hari Seldon said:
I have a 3GB 7970 that is getting long in the tooth. I was planning on upgrading this year with my Occulus coming in June. Should I not even bother? I don't even know what I would upgrade to at this point.
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opticalmace said:
Wait for stuff to get announced?
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I'm in the same boat with my 7970, I am waiting for announcements in the 200-300€ segment. If I can get a card that will last me another 3-4 years on High/Ultra 1080p like the 7970 did I'm more than happy :)
 
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