2 Super 2 Tuesday |OT| I'm Really Feeling (The Bern) (3/15, 3/22, 3/26 Contests)

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plagiarize said:
yes. Right now we're obsessing over who will win MO when the margin is going to be so small as to be a single delegate... when Hillary has something close to a 350 delegate lead, and Sander's needs to win a full two thirds of the remain delegates to beat her.

Not counting super delegates.
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Yep if he didn't have an advantage coming up in some states he'd probably drop now. Instead we will drag this out to probably May. Clinton was wasting her time in 2008 with a much smaller gap
 
Unknown Soldier said:
The biggest problem that the Democrats seem to be fatally unable to address, probably because of the sheer sclerosis of their establishment, is that the young Democratic voters, the literal future of the party, have been lopsidedly in favor of Bernie since the beginning. Someone needs to link that chart again where the average age of the voters 40 years old and less were all in favor of Bernie and you didn't see a majority of voters preferring Hillary until they were older than 40.

The Democrats are completely ignoring the voters who will be their base in the next 10-20 years. They don't need a revolution, because one has already silently happened. The real question is if they ever wake up and notice. Considering the party self-destruction the Republicans are currently keeping the nation busy watching, I don't think anybody has noticed the dramatic shift to the left that has already happened to the Democrats.
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Bernie Sanders has been relevant for what, like 8 months now? That's a second in political time. Wait to see what prominent figures start cropping up in the next few years to see if Bernie's message took hold.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
The biggest problem that the Democrats seem to be fatally unable to address, probably because of the sheer sclerosis of their establishment, is that the young Democratic voters, the literal future of the party, have been lopsidedly in favor of Bernie since the beginning. Someone needs to link that chart again where the average age of the voters 40 years old and less were all in favor of Bernie and you didn't see a majority of voters preferring Hillary until they were older than 40.

The Democrats are completely ignoring the voters who will be their base in the next 10-20 years. They don't need a revolution, because one has already silently happened. The real question is if they ever wake up and notice. Considering the party self-destruction the Republicans are currently keeping the nation busy watching, I don't think anybody has noticed the dramatic shift to the left that has already happened to the Democrats.
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You just pivoted to a completely different point and completely ignored what I had actually said, as you are wont to do.

This kind of tunnel vision is exactly what lost him the primaries this time around.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
I'm not going to disagree with you wholesale, but I don't know if it will. The public at large probably couldn't tell you about the primary candidates that lost in 2012, 2008, or 2004 unless they follow politics. People just don't have a long memory for that type of thing.

I'm glad he ran as well, but I don't see this making any waves in the Democratic party. Getting a Dem President, with a Dem Congress and some Supreme Court nominations would be huge.

Now the Republicans are probably going to have to shift their ideology around if they want to have a chance in future elections. The rise of Trump is a wakeup call in that regard.
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I mean yeah you have a point, but I don't know. Sanders will still be active in the Senate. I think he generated a message that will stick around in a lot of people's minds. It's not as forgettable as failed candidate #549. Time will tell. It's possible in 5 years people will be saying, Sanders who? But not so sure.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
I'm not going to disagree with you wholesale, but I don't know if it will. The public at large probably couldn't tell you about the primary candidates that lost in 2012, 2008, or 2004 unless they follow politics. People just don't have a long memory for that type of thing.

I'm glad he ran as well, but I don't see this making any waves in the Democratic party. Getting a Dem President, with a Dem Congress and some Supreme Court nominations would be huge.

Now the Republicans are probably going to have to shift their ideology around if they want to have a chance in future elections. The rise of Trump is a wakeup call in that regard.
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Who he was popular with is key though. He was massively popular with the youth vote. That voting block is only going to get more active as they get older. He was winning the next generation of reliable voters by a landslide. You've got to consider that.
 
BoboBrazil said:
Sanders should drop tomorrow. It doesn't benefit anyone for him to stay in.
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He doesn't need to drop. But the fundraising engine should slow. I think it's getting close to like...a waste for people who could really use cash. But people are entitled to do what they want and I really don't like when people tell me what to spend my money on. Whatever.

He absolutely should stop going negative. He needs to start go heal the divide.
 
Y2Kev said:
He doesn't need to drop. But the fundraising engine should slow. I think it's getting close to like...a waste for people who could really use cash. But people are entitled to do what they want and I really don't like when people tell me what to spend my money on. Whatever.

He absolutely should stop going negative. He needs to start go heal the divide.
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This. It's time to change his direction. Should be preaching/educating more at this point than trying to win an election I think.
 
Tesseract said:
Sanders has said he's in until the last state votes, I don't see why he'd go back on this
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I'd think the guilt of asking for money for voters in a race he can longer win would be enough to convince him it's time to go. That being said, he was a major positive. He has introduced many things in which Hilary needed to face and acknowledge and address. And things that hopefully Hillary realizes is needed to adopt in order to attract the many young voters like me that understand are important points Bernie raised.
 
Illinois called for Hillary, so much for Emanuel connection baggage loss

Y2Kev said:
He doesn't need to drop. But the fundraising engine should slow. I think it's getting close to like...a waste for people who could really use cash. But people are entitled to do what they want and I really don't like when people tell me what to spend my money on. Whatever.

He absolutely should stop going negative. He needs to start go heal the divide.
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Seriously, I will be seriously pissed if he keep going negative on Clinton.
 
I don't understand the importance of winning a state when the votes are proportional. Is it just for morale? Performance in specific districts seems much more important.
 
Sanders is going to get less and less media coverage now that it's become super clear he is not winning. Hell they didn't even cover his speech in Arizona tonight.
 
Y2Kev said:
He doesn't need to drop. But the fundraising engine should slow. I think it's getting close to like...a waste for people who could really use cash. But people are entitled to do what they want and I really don't like when people tell me what to spend my money on. Whatever.

He absolutely should stop going negative. He needs to start go heal the divide.
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He's doubling down on the negativity, which is just looking desperate at this point.

It's hard to believe the same guy who declared, "Enough with the damn e-mails!" is now pressing her to "release the transcripts" and engaging in mudslinging-by-association by hitting her on Rahm Emanuel's endorsement.

True colors coming out.
 
Leona Lewis said:
He's doubling down on the negativity, which is just looking desperate at this point.

It's hard to believe the same guy who declared, "Enough with the damn e-mails!" is now pressing her to "release the transcripts" and engaging in mudslinging-by-association by hitting her on Rahm Emanuel's endorsement.

True colors coming out.
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You don't want those transcripts released? If it was any other politician, would you want them.

She's being dirty, he's calling her out

If that is negative, trump is going to blow your mimd
 
Miles X said:
I will say something for Bernie, he's beaten all the PPP polls from yesterday.
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And is underperforming the youguv polls right? Seems like the truth is I'm the middle.

I seriously recommend benchmark politics. Those guys are amazing.
 
CrazyDude said:
Sanders is going to get less and less media coverage now that it's become super clear he is not winning. Hell they didn't even cover his speech in Arizona tonight.
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I think you're right. My guess is, he'll drop out once the media moves on nearly completely. Might be another month though. I really don't think he needs to take this to June.
 
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