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[Leona Lewis]

Erm. What?

Bill Clinton increased taxes on the rich and helped bring about a yearly surplus. That's a fucking fact.

Do you actually believe what they tell you on reddit?

But you don't catch flies with facts.

 

[Tesseract]

I can only speak for myself. I meant less ridiculing/mocking, and focusing more on the positive reasons to vote for her.

I'm legit thinking what she stands for ...

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I wonder if Obama is going to give a speech at the convention, maybe a little pay back for the one Bill gave for him

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I can only speak for myself. I meant less ridiculing/mocking, and focusing more on the positive reasons to vote for her.

In primary threads, several Sanders supporters lamented the lack of intelligence of black voters because he wasn't pulling numbers.

Is that honey

 

[pigeon]

Well Clinton and her fellows still buy into that trickle-down nonsense, so the ghost of Reagan is very much strong.

Though to be fair, I am not even American. I would just like our southern brothers to have access to basic human rights that their government denies them.

How much do you, like, actually know about America?

Do you know how many houses of Congress there are?

Can you name five state capitals?

 

[ampere]

Looking very forward to Trump v. Clinton debates.

But on the campaign trail, Clinton will have 3 not so secret weapons.

One is her husband.

The other two...

People love Biden, he's so weird

Looking forward to some of Obama's speeches

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The sooner y'all stop thinking about a ill-defined revolution and start listening when people point out policy flaws, the sooner we can actually get those things started.

This could have been a significantly different story without a terribly run campaign and without frustrating the technocrat side of the Democrat coalition early into the race, IMO.

The biggest problem that the Democrats seem to be fatally unable to address, probably because of the sheer sclerosis of their establishment, is that the young Democratic voters, the literal future of the party, have been lopsidedly in favor of Bernie since the beginning. Someone needs to link that chart again where the average age of the voters 40 years old and less were all in favor of Bernie and you didn't see a majority of voters preferring Hillary until they were older than 40.

The Democrats are completely ignoring the voters who will be their base in the next 10-20 years. They don't need a revolution, because one has already silently happened. The real question is if they ever wake up and notice. Considering the party self-destruction the Republicans are currently keeping the nation busy watching, I don't think anybody has noticed the dramatic shift to the left that has already happened to the Democrats.

 

[Xe4]

I'm legit thinking what she stands for ...

93% of the things Sanders stands for.

 

[Vestal]

Wow.. The lead went down to 4.7k in MO

 

[plagiarize]

I don't know, maybe it's not accurate, and maybe it can't be measured just by how many people turned out for him or from Bernie not winning. Certainly Bernie made a lot of progress in spreading a more socialist message and he held his own considering. It just seems like some of you don't just root for Hillary, you cheer against everything Sanders stands for and has done.

You can think or say what you want. I'm glad Bernie Sanders ran, I think what he did will having a lasting effect on the party in the long run. Nah there is no numbers to show that, but I like what I saw this election from the Democratic side.

I'm glad he ran too. He did admirably. He helped shape the dialogue and Clinton walks into the general election more prepared than she would have been without competition.

He's helped clean up socialisms image even if only a little bit (and that's good) and has shown that a candidate as progressive as he is almost viable. Such a candidate is going to be more viable the next time the DNC hold a primary.

 

[metalslimer]

The biggest problem that the Democrats seem to be fatally unable to address, probably because of the sheer sclerosis of their establishment, is that the young Democratic voters, the literal future of the party, have been lopsidedly in favor of Bernie since the beginning. Someone needs to link that chart again where the average age of the voters 40 years old and less were all in favor of Bernie and you didn't see a majority of voters preferring Hillary until they were older than 40.

The Democrats are completely ignoring the voters who will be their base in the next 10-20 years. They don't need a revolution, because one has already silently happened. The real question is if they ever wake up and notice. Considering the party self-destruction the Republicans are currently keeping the nation busy watching, I don't think anybody has noticed the dramatic shift to the left that has already happened to the Democrats.

How are they completely ignoring them again?

 

[Fat4all]

In primary threads, several Sanders supporters lamented the lack of intelligence of black voters because he wasn't pulling numbers.

Is that honey

Closer to syrup.

 

[legacyzero]

GOOD GOD MISSOURI.

 

[Volimar]

The biggest problem that the Democrats seem to be fatally unable to address, probably because of the sheer sclerosis of their establishment, is that the young Democratic voters, the literal future of the party, have been lopsidedly in favor of Bernie since the beginning. Someone needs to link that chart again where the average age of the voters 40 years old and less were all in favor of Bernie and you didn't see a majority of voters preferring Hillary until they were older than 40.

The Democrats are completely ignoring the voters who will be their base in the next 10-20 years. They don't need a revolution, because one has already silently happened. The real question is if they ever wake up and notice. Considering the party self-destruction the Republicans are currently keeping the nation busy watching, I don't think anybody has noticed the dramatic shift to the left that has already happened to the Democrats.

And maybe in 12-20 years when those young people actually get out and vote it'll make a difference.

 

[Reverend Funk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdEsH5mrxwE

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

The biggest problem that the Democrats seem to be fatally unable to address, probably because of the sheer sclerosis of their establishment, is that the young Democratic voters, the literal future of the party, have been lopsidedly in favor of Bernie since the beginning. Someone needs to link that chart again where the average age of the voters 40 years old and less were all in favor of Bernie and you didn't see a majority of voters preferring Hillary until they were older than 40.

The Democrats are completely ignoring the voters who will be their base in the next 10-20 years. They don't need a revolution, because one has already silently happened. The real question is if they ever wake up and notice. Considering the party self-destruction the Republicans are currently keeping the nation busy watching, I don't think anybody has noticed the dramatic shift to the left that has already happened to the Democrats.

The democratic party is going more left, a Bernie like candidate in 2024 is going to be far less of an issue than it is today.

But we still need to win 2016 to establish the supreme court and cement Obama's issues and keep progress going.

 

[Tesseract]

93% of the things Sanders stands for.

Like basic human rights, healthcare and education

That 93%

 

[PolarBearsClub]

Ok guys here it goes. I am Hilary supporter and I'm here to say:

I'm glad Bernie ran. He pushed Hilary to the left on a lot of issues. But I would also like to see the democrats rally around someone who appeals to a broader electorate and also has a good chance of accomplishing what she says she wants to accomplish during her presidency.

 

[Joeytj]

I wonder if Obama is going to give a speech at the convention, maybe a little pay back for the one Hillary gave for him

Former presidents from the party always get a prime-time speech, especially if its the incumbent president. They're probably going to give him the main speech on Wednesday or Tuesday. Monday is usually reserved for the spouse (Bill in this case!), then the VP nominee, keynote speaker and Obama will probably get Tuesday or Wednesday.

Obama was the keynote in 2004, then Mark Warner (ugh) and Julian Castro in 2012 (meh).

Maybe, they give the keynote to Bernie this year? Would be smart.

 

[massoluk]

Missouri is just being ridiculous tonight.

 

[StopMakingSense]

GOOD GOD MISSOURI.

Yeah, just under 5k difference now.

 

[ezrarh]

93% of the things Sanders stands for.

If you don't believe the messenger, you're never gonna believe the message. At this point, it doesn't matter if her message is exactly the same as Bernie's. People don't trust her - whether for good or bad reasons, that's just how it is. Let's just hope there's enough voters out there to defeat Trump.

 

[Polari]

Two repub pundits on CNN are melting down hard.

 

[Fat4all]

GOOD GOD MISSOURI.

FFS

 

[Volimar]

Brutal Anti-Cruz Attack Ad Just Candidate’s Photo Displayed Without Any Text, Voiceover, Music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdEsH5mrxwE

 

[catmincer]

She might actually win Missouri :O

 

[marrec]

I can only speak for myself. I meant less ridiculing/mocking, and focusing more on the positive reasons to vote for her.

She's socially progressive, understands wage inequality and will work towards finding a solution for it, understands racial inequality.

I mean, Bernie has pulled her toward him in almost every respect. She's Bernie-Lite but a bit more hawkish in foreign policy.

There are multiple reasons to vote for her, but the only reasons I ever see to not vote are some vague Wall Street boogie men because she supported TARP or something and she's a bit of a hawk.

Ya, she won't raise minimum wage to 15/hr, but she'll raise it to 12/hr. That's indicative of all her progressive policy ideas.

 

[Oriel]

It would be better for the nation if he stayed in it until the convention and continued to make Hillary promise things she wouldn't otherwise bother promising to try and draw off Bernie voters.

I mean she's not going to keep any of those promises, for example there's no way in hell she won't sign the TPP if Obama somehow fails to get it passed while he's still the President for example. Although this won't even be a consideration as Obama has the Republican votes in the Congress to pass it for him anyways.

How would it be better for the nation if Sanders stayed in the race? It's obvious as day now that the GE matchup is Clinton and Trump so the Dem side (ie, the same and rational choice) is going to need to begin working now to counter this maniac. Every day fighting Sanders is a day not focused on the real enemy Trump.

And the level of salt in that was off the scales. At least with the primaries drawing to a close now we won't have to hear much more smug arrogance from Bernie supporters claiming to be the "real" voice of progressivism in America.

 

[Joeytj]

God damn Missouri

 

[Slayven]

In primary threads, several Sanders supporters lamented the lack of intelligence of black voters because he wasn't pulling numbers.

Is that honey

I blame Bernie himself for that nonsense. He can go to the bushes for that

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

She's socially progressive, understands wage inequality and will work towards finding a solution for it, understands racial inequality.

I mean, Bernie has pulled her toward him in almost every respect. She's Bernie-Lite but a bit more hawkish in foreign policy.

There are multiple reasons to vote for her, but the only reasons I ever see to not vote are some vague Wall Street boogie men because she supported TARP or something and she's a bit of a hawk.

Ya, she won't raise minimum wage to 15/hr, but she'll raise it to 12/hr. That's indicative of all her progressive policy ideas.

A bit? Is this a big bit?

 

[plagiarize]

GOOD GOD MISSOURI.

There still aren't enough votes left.

Maybe. Probably. Shit now I don't even know.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ement=1&pgtype=sectionfront#g-state-anchor-MO

Look at the other four states in comparison. MO has been all over the shop, but Sanders seems to be holding the lead for nearly an hour now... but... 0.3% is the current *projected* margin of victory. Maybe I called this one too early... but maybe not.

 

[rjinaz]

I'm glad he ran too. He did admirably. He helped shape the dialogue and Clinton walks into the general election more prepared than she would have been without competition.

He's helped clean up socialisms image even if only a little bit (and that's good) and has shown that a candidate as progressive as he is almost viable. Such a candidate is going to be more viable the next time the DNC hold a primary.

Yeah pretty much where I'm at. You know, I had already decided to vote for Clinton long before I even knew Sanders was going to run and really before I knew what Sanders was all about. I'm perfectly fine with the outcome. Still, I got a lot more out of this race than I usually do in politics. My mind was opened up to a lot of different ideas, including how other nations do things successfully. For that I thank Bernie. Not sure I would have known about some of his ideas without the run.

 

[Vestal]

Looking at the map in NYTimes and only things left are 40 precincts in ST.Louis

 

[RootCause]

In primary threads, several Sanders supporters lamented the lack of intelligence of black voters because he wasn't pulling numbers.

Is that honey

No, those comments are deplorable. Something you'd expect from those supporting Trump.

 

[B-Dubs]

There still aren't enough votes left.

Maybe. Probably. Shit now I don't even know.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ement=1&pgtype=sectionfront#g-state-anchor-MO

Look at the other four states in comparison. MO has been all over the shop, but Sanders seems to be holding the lead for nearly an hour now... but... 0.3% is the current *projected* margin of victory. Maybe I called this one too early... but maybe not.

There's enough of STL out that the potential for it to swing one more time is there, but who knows for sure with a gap like this.

 

[Aequitas]

So it really is over for Sanders, huh?

 

[N.Domixis]

So it really is over for Sanders, huh?

He should try again in 4 years.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I don't know, maybe it's not accurate, and maybe it can't be measured just by how many people turned out for him or from Bernie not winning. Certainly Bernie made a lot of progress in spreading a more socialist message and he held his own considering. It just seems like some of you don't just root for Hillary, you cheer against everything Sanders stands for and has done.

You can think or say what you want. I'm glad Bernie Sanders ran, I think what he did will having a lasting effect on the party in the long run. Nah there is no numbers to show that, but I like what I saw this election from the Democratic side.

I'm not going to disagree with you wholesale, but I don't know if it will. The public at large probably couldn't tell you about the primary candidates that lost in 2012, 2008, or 2004 unless they follow politics. People just don't have a long memory for that type of thing.

I'm glad he ran as well, but I don't see this making any waves in the Democratic party. Getting a Dem President, with a Dem Congress and some Supreme Court nominations would be huge.

Now the Republicans are probably going to have to shift their ideology around if they want to have a chance in future elections. The rise of Trump is a wakeup call in that regard.

 

[Miles X]

There still aren't enough votes left.

Maybe. Probably. Shit now I don't even know.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ement=1&pgtype=sectionfront#g-state-anchor-MO

Look at the other four states in comparison. MO has been all over the shop, but Sanders seems to be holding the lead for nearly an hour now... but... 0.3% is the current *projected* margin of victory. Maybe I called this one too early... but maybe not.

34,000 votes left. She is leading those three counties 54/46 on average.

 

[Tesseract]

How would it be better for the nation if Sanders stayed in the race? It's obvious as day now that the GE matchup is Clinton and Trump so the Dem side (ie, the same and rational choice) is going to need to begin working now to counter this maniac. Every day fighting Sanders is a day not focused on the real enemy Trump.

And the level of salt in that was off the scales. At least with the primaries drawing to a close now we won't have to hear much more smug arrogance from Bernie supporters claiming to be the "real" voice of progressivism in America.

We need to keep pulling Hillary left, Bernie brews own the internet

We have the power glove, we ain't on the same team

Hillary is to neoliberals what rubio is to neoconservatives

Don't believe her lies

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Trump likely has MO. Most remaining precincts are in areas Trump equals or exceeds Cruz.

 

[marrec]

A bit? Is this a big bit?

Well, we can only go by her record with Obama as Sec of State and for that the main negative example is Libya. Libya went tits up and hopefully she's learned from it. I wouldn't support her trying to export democracy or inact regime change, but that is small potatoes compared to the alternative.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Sanders should drop tomorrow. It doesn't benefit anyone for him to stay in.

 

[kneePat]

Welp... Missouri is in recount territory for the Republicans.

 

[plagiarize]

So it really is over for Sanders, huh?

yes. Right now we're obsessing over who will win MO when the margin is going to be so small as to be a single delegate... when Hillary has something close to a 350 delegate lead, and Sander's needs to win a full two thirds of the remain delegates to beat her.

Not counting super delegates.

 

[Tesseract]

Sanders should drop tomorrow. It doesn't benefit anyone for him to stay in.

Sanders has said he's in until the last state votes, I don't see why he'd go back on this

 

[gutter_trash]

In primary threads, several Sanders supporters lamented the lack of intelligence of black voters because he wasn't pulling numbers.

Is that honey

picking a winner who can defeat any Republican is more important than picking a dreamy ideologue who can't

 

[Kangi]

I don't even care at this point who wins MO.

 

[superdeluxe]

So Illinois is 2 percent. Should I be worried? What counties are outstsndinh