2 Super 2 Tuesday |OT| I'm Really Feeling (The Bern) (3/15, 3/22, 3/26 Contests)

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He absolutely should stop going negative. He needs to start go heal the divide.

Why? He still has an opportunity to push his message for change, even if he isn't going to be the nominee. He obviously feels he and Hillary have enough distance between them on the issues to run.
 
I don't know, maybe it's not accurate, and maybe it can't be measured just by how many people turned out for him or from Bernie not winning. Certainly Bernie made a lot of progress in spreading a more socialist message and he held his own considering. It just seems like some of you don't just root for Hillary, you cheer against everything Sanders stands for and has done.

You can think or say what you want. I'm glad Bernie Sanders ran, I think what he did will having a lasting effect on the party in the long run. Nah there is no numbers to show that, but I like what I saw this election from the Democratic side.

I can't answer for others, but I've been a fan of Bernie's since 2009 and his efforts at adding a public option and moving the conversation to single payer. It can be hard to encapsulate or articulate nuanced positions within the confines of a forum post and across numerous threads.

I'm perfectly fine with Hillary Clinton not being the nominee, I'm no huge fan of the Clintons and I was one of the young voters Obama energized in 2008. Within the context of the Republican primary, the Democratic primary and Hillary's relatively strong position serves as a good foil for the disorder caused by Trump. If the Republicans hadn't been co-opted and we had seen Booker, Biden, Kaine and Warren also run, I think I would have preferred Warren to win.

Bernie's not my ideal candidate in this primary because of his comparative lack of detail in his policies, his focus on rhetoric and the identity he's presented during this cycle.
 
Why? He still has an opportunity to push his message for change, even if he isn't going to be the nominee.
Why does that require going negative? Does he need to tis Hillary to rahm to talk about free college? I don't really see the benefit there.
 
He doesn't need to drop. But the fundraising engine should slow. I think it's getting close to like...a waste for people who could really use cash. But people are entitled to do what they want and I really don't like when people tell me what to spend my money on. Whatever.

He absolutely should stop going negative. He needs to start go heal the divide.

Yeah. He needs to quit the dirty tactics like the Rahm stuff.
 
And is underperforming the youguv polls right? Seems like the truth is I'm the middle.

I seriously recommend benchmark politics. Those guys are amazing.

538's weighted polls have proven to be pretty damn accurate.

And for like, the eleventh time, beating your polls is basically meaningless. You need to actually win more delegates than the other person, whatever polls looked like before the election.

Beating your polls only speaks to the accuracy of the polls. It says nothing about how well you did in any given election.

Welp, who's ready for Trump v Hillary?

So ready.
 
Because it's politics, and that dude is a piece of shit

I mean, who started the birther movement thing ...

You mean not Hillary? Because thats a myth?

And i thought Bernie was above politics Washington style? Like he said at the start of the campiagin?

But has facts ever stopped Bernie and his supporters ever?
 
This looks like a Sanders win by, like, 1000 votes max. A Clinton win would be tiny and be token only, but a 5/5 sweep tonight would look kinda awesome.
 
Now that Hildawg's basically confirmed, really hope everyone who voted for Clinton doesn't have to face some kind of worst case scenario reality check if Trump somehow beats her.
 
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You just pivoted to a completely different point and completely ignored what I had actually said, as you are wont to do.

This kind of tunnel vision is exactly what lost him the primaries this time around.

I responded to your statement about revolution. My point was pretty clear I think? I'm not sure what there is to clarify in my post, though it has little to do with whether Bernie won or lost the primaries and I wasn't even talking about that at all.
 
I can't answer for others, but I've been a fan of Bernie's since 2009 and his efforts at adding a public option and moving the conversation to single payer. It can be hard to encapsulate or articulate nuanced positions within the confines of a forum post and across numerous threads.

I'm perfectly fine with Hillary Clinton not being the nominee, I'm no huge fan of the Clintons and I was one of the young voters Obama energized in 2008. Within the context of the Republican primary, the Democratic primary and Hillary's relatively strong position serves as a good foil for the disorder caused by Trump. If the Republicans hadn't been co-opted and we had seen Booker, Biden, Kaine and Warren also run, I think I would have preferred Warren to win.

Bernie's not my ideal candidate in this primary because of his comparative lack of detail in his policies, his focus on rhetoric and the identity he's presented during this cycle.

Fair enough.

As a Bernie supporter, I hope he stays in all the way to the end.

Not I. I'm ready for this party to not be divided. Especially here on gaf where I spend a lot of time lol. There is really no need. I mean I guess as long as he keeps winning states he'll have a platform.

But I haven't been all that impressed with Bernie lately. He really is starting to come of as a crotchety bitter man. I think he in his mind he had a chance, and once he realized the math wasn't there, recently, he started to get negative. I'd guess he's probably tired as well. Anybody would be running a campaign. I mean it's worth it if you have a real chance, but maybe not so much if you don't.
 
I'm surprised it was that close in Illinois, given how many people hate Rahm. Clinton had to be holding a ton of strength to squeak that one out.
 
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