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[Grizzlyjin]

Is that J.J. Abrams on MSNBC?

Haha, I know exactly who you're talking about because that dude is on their Snapchat and I ask myself the same thing.

 

[Miles X]

Looks like a good night for Trump, but that's behind the 272 target 538 had for him.

That's a bit misleading, he doesn't have to hit all those targets to reach 1237. The winner take all states kinda mess up their delegate tracker unlike the dem side.

 

[User 463088]

Hillary Clinton has received more money from arms and military service companies than any other candidate during the 2016 presidential campaign, data from Open Secrets shows.
I don't suppose you have a problem with the anti gun dem being financed by gun companies? Some real progress will be done with gun control legislation with another clinton presidency!!!

Probably about as much progress as we'd have under Bernie when the NRA spent money and capital to help him defeat his challenger in 1991. https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...t-field/961856de-d5f8-4f3f-bd04-7a1512751a3d/

Boeing and Lockheed Martin aren't just arms dealers, also. As mentioned in your article, "they" donated heavily to Obama as well, and to pretend that he'd be weak on gun control is laughable.

 

[GavinGT]

Trump's son freaks me the fuck out.

Seems like a totally normal guy to me!

 

[Averon]

All for Clinton? Great news! Hopefully this wakes the Sanders camp up and he gracefully bows out before embarrassing himself any further. Don't really want to hear anything further from him except for a concession speech and to tell his followers to get on Clinton's train. He's been a ridiculous waste of people's time and money and it's past time he realizes he's finished.

Such a sore winner.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I may get flack for this, but this tends to happen after the US media and political cycle runs it's course. I felt a similar thing with posts on here regarding the Iraq war, Snowden, Manning, Occupy Wallstreet etc. The media and establishment is very good at pushing through it's agenda and narrative, and many people get picked up along the way, even those who identify themselves as strong liberals.

The constant theme running throughout this primary cycle being that Bernie would get crushed in a general, that he's unelectable, that Trump would easily defeat him, that his policies are too forward thinking for the country, that his ideas would bankrupt the nation, that his policies would never make it through and are unrealistic, so they should just be ignored, that his socialist ties are too detrimental etc. Basically the majority of it based on fearmongering and assumption, rather than facts or merit, which is usually the case with these things. So many people siding a certain way not because they actually prefer the policies of a certain candidate, but because the other person's are safer, and because they've been conditioned in to thinking the alternative is too dangerous.

The way I look at it is that America had a chance to actually elect someone truly Liberal, someone who could actually shape America to veer properly left, and instead they've just picked someone who's more status quo and same old than anything else. But based off of everything that has been happening of late (with America faltering in many key areas over the last decade or two, and wealth inequality getting out of control), I can't say I'm surprised. I think corporate interests will simply continue to take centre stage, and allow the country to continuously peddle between this centrist right and far right political landscape.

So more of Hillary voters don't know what's best for them? Yeah, you probably should get flack for that.

Hillary Clinton has received more money from arms and military service companies than any other candidate during the 2016 presidential campaign, data from Open Secrets shows.
I don't suppose you have a problem with the anti gun dem being financed by gun companies? Some real progress will be done with gun control legislation with another clinton presidency!!!

You realize Bernie is pretty pro-gun, right? Probably more pro-gun than Clinton?

 

[ivysaur12]

GOP delegates awarded tonight (PROVISIONAL):

Trump:

99 (FL)
15 (IL-ATL)
37 (IL-CD)
12 (MO-ATL)
30 (MO-CD)
9 (Northern Mariana lol)
29 (NC)
0 (OH)
231 TOTAL

Cruz:

0 (FL)
0 (IL-ATL)
9 (IL-CD)
0 (MO-ATL)
10 (MO-CD)
0 (NM)
27 (NC)
0 (OH)
46 TOTAL

Rubio:

0 (FL)
0 (IL-ATL)
0 (IL-CD)
0 (MO-ATL)
0 (MO-CD)
0 (NM)
6 (NC)
0 (OH)
6 TOTAL

Kasich:

0 (FL)
0 (IL-ATL)
8 (IL-CD)
0 (MO-ATL)
0 (MO-CD)
0 (NM)
9 (NC)
66 (OH)
83 TOAL

Trump's 538 target tonight was 272 delegates. He won 231. He now has 694 delegates. He needs to be at 719 to match his target.

Thankfully for Trump, he is not projected to do that well in many states going forward, meaning there's a good chance he can pad his margins. He's 538 margins have him losing Nebraska and Montana, for example. Get those? He's there.

 

[mcfrank]

1,531 gap in Missouri. We probably at least that many gaffers in MO, did they vote or did they skip bc of spring break? That could('ve) make the difference.

But it doesn't make a difference.

 

[Calamari41]

As many have commentated in recent months, her policies and views are very 'hawkish', and it wouldn't surprise me if her presidency involved even more direct or indirect aggressive foreign policy moves, that led to more military engagements and volatility in the Middle East or other regions.

I'm in the aerospace/defense industry, and we are definitely expecting it.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

All for Clinton? Great news! Hopefully this wakes the Sanders camp up and he gracefully bows out before embarrassing himself any further. Don't really want to hear anything further from him except for a concession speech and to tell his followers to get on Clinton's train. He's been a ridiculous waste of people's time and money and it's past time he realizes he's finished.

That's not true at all. He's made it a bunch easier or perhaps more acceptable for the next liberal, progressive, grassroots candidate to run and maybe even win.

What his campaign has achieved is phenomenal. As I've said before, on paper, he should not even be taken seriously by Hillary. He shouldn't be getting anywhere near 50% of Missouri or Michigan or any state but Vermont.

And yet he actually managed to enter the media discussion and the national conversation about the race in a serious manner. It's stunning. These things matter, and stay in the minds of Americans. In 2024 or 2032, whoever takes his place will do even better.

 

[billeh]

Such a sore winner.

The Cardinals of politics.

 

[Azzanadra]

I'm in the aerospace/defense industry, and we are definitely expecting it.

Would you say she's closer to Bush than Sanders? (in terms of foreign policy, especially in the ME)

 

[B-Dubs]

You realize Bernie is pretty pro-gun, right? Probably more pro-gun than Clinton?

Going by records, he's definitely more pro-gun than Hillary.

 

[ivysaur12]

No point to do the Dem side -- still a lot of uncounted delegates in NC and FL. Most will go to Clinton.

 

[Oddduck]

Finally looking at the results.

Wow, Clinton and Trump just completely dominated.

 

[Seventy70]

To me Hillary is essentially Obama with more backbone and more political clout. I've soured a bit on the hope and change stuff and want someone who can wield a big stick. Republicans aren't going to be swayed by the touchy-feely stuff.

Bernie is like that slightly nutty college professor who has great and interesting ideas but has no chance of getting it done in the real world. He needs to stay in the classroom err senate.

If Bernie can't get stuff done, then how is Hillary? Republicans hate her just as much, if not more, than Obama. They will do everything in their power to make sure she can get nothing major done while she is in office.

 

[marrec]

Would you say she's closer to Bush than Sanders? (in terms of foreign policy, especially in the ME)

I think this is an unfair dichotomy. Obama is closer to Bush than Sanders as well.

 

[AmyS]

Tune into the AM radio Michael Berry Show if you want to hear bitter salt from a teabagger who regularly slurps Ted Cruz's taint.

Thanks, I will. although I'm hearing George Noory on right now.

 

[googleplex]

Ehh...listen I think Hilary is going to win, not only the nomm but whatever Republican she goes against, and americans will get their first female leader, but I wouldn't go around saying shes really a liberal. Shes a centrist with some slight left leanings at best. Anything further left than that, naw man. Her stances in most other parts of the western world are centrist with maybe some slight right leanings, but that's mostly cause the USA is like that.

You're welcome to think that. Just understand that when you just posted is factually incorrect and not based in reality at most people perceive it.

 

[kneePat]

Missouri recounts for both parties?

 

[Primethius]

This thread (and others before) make me wish that GAF ignore would also ignore posts that quote the ignored user.

Crazy how close MO is. I wasn't able to vote in NC for Hillary today due to a variety of last minute factors unfortunately. I should really have planned ahead of time, but the expected NC victory for her made me somewhat complacent.

 

[Patapwn]

How the fuck does Cruz keep pretending he's a winner with a delegate split like that?

 

[Azzanadra]

I think this is an unfair dichotomy. Obama is closer to Bush than Sanders as well.

Didn't say anything about Obama though. For the record, I am not his biggest fan either. And why is it that Sanders, a Jew has the best policy in regards to Israel/Palestine? At least Obama doesn't like BiBi, unlike Clinton...

 

[Jenov]

A 5 state sweep? Wow wow! Queeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen /adam

 

[DietRob]

Missouri recounts for both parties?

Why? Doesn't matter with proportional delegates.

 

[Nickle]

The Cardinals of politics.

Nah, the Cardinals win by doing things the right way.

 

[digdug2k]

I mean MSNBC just made a good point. A candidate hasn't resonated with young voters (outside of Obama I think he said) like Bernie has since the 60s. A lot of young people have a whole new way of thinking of politics in America. It's exciting to me.

I missed the 70s and was way too young in the 80's, but Bill Clinton did a pretty big youth thing in 1992. (Thats when the kids from the 60s finally started getting into office). He even played the saxophone on TV! People talked about passing the torch to the Baby Boomers. You can even find this great quote on Wikipedia: "Clinton gave his acceptance speech on July 16, 1992, promising to bring a "new covenant" to America, and to work to heal the gap that had developed between the rich and the poor during the Reagan/Bush years."

I think the youth vote was pretty all in on Gore as well, but I was too deep in crazy conservative land to see it first hand.

I sit on the tail of the millenials, or maybe outside it... I can't figure it out. I honestly have no idea why the media acts like they're some sort of crazy new phenomena, but I think it has more to do with selling you magazines than anything really "new".

 

[pigeon]

I still don't quite get how people can be this excited for a Clinton presidency. Relief and acceptance are emotions I'd expect from people, but not this kind of enthusiasm.

That's how I feel about the Wii U.

I guess maybe people have different life experiences that lead them to different reactions?

 

[plagiarize]

Missouri recounts for both parties?

No point on the Dem side at least. So Sanders maybe gains one delegate and Clinton maybe loses one. Why bother?

 

[8 X 11 Printer Paper]

Missouri recounts for both parties?

It's proportional for Dem side so there's no point.

 

[ivysaur12]

Missouri recounts for both parties?

I can't see that happening on the Dem side, since it's proportional and doesn't matter.

It probably won't happen on the GOP side because Cruz is hanging on to one CD by like 500 votes. If he does a recount and loses, then he just gave Trump 5 more delegates. Trump probably won't do a recount because if his margin shrinks and he loses MO, he loses 15 delegates.

 

[Apathy]

You're welcome to think that. Just understand that when you just posted is factually incorrect and not based in reality at most people perceive it.

Haha, sure, listen, when you get out of the US and the bubble, you'll see what actual liberal and left wing politics are man.

 

[GregLombardi]

If Bernie can't get stuff done, then how is Hillary? Republicans hate her just as much, if not more, than Obama. They will do everything in their power to make sure she can get nothing major done while she is in office.

Except when Trump causes the greatest flock of progressives to approach the polls since the early 20th century, all the Republicans that can be voted out will be voted out of office.

 

[plagiarize]

How the fuck does Cruz keep pretending he's a winner with a delegate split like that?

How the fuck does he believe pretty much everything he actually believes? Because he doesn't let facts get in the way of his beliefs my friend.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Seems like a totally normal guy to me!

ugh. why do so many of the worlds most wealthy people go on these big game safari hunts? why does this bring them joy?

 

[Averon]

To me Hillary is essentially Obama with more backbone and more political clout. I've soured a bit on the hope and change stuff and want someone who can wield a big stick. Republicans aren't going to be swayed by the touchy-feely stuff.

Bernie is like that slightly nutty college professor who has great and interesting ideas but has no chance of getting it done in the real world. He needs to stay in the classroom err senate.

Don't kid yourself. The GOP aren't going to be swayed by Hilary, or any Democrat.

If she does get stuff passed, it will in no way look progressive.

 

[Tesseract]

Do we even want presidents anymore, it's becpme an impossible job. There's way too much data out there, fug it.

 

[Calamari41]

Would you say she's closer to Bush than Sanders? (in terms of foreign policy, especially in the ME)

This statement isn't going to be popular in here, but yes. If anything the situation is getting more extreme than it was under Bush now that Russia has gotten involved.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Hillary went ham tonight, didn't she.

 

[Miles X]

Why are CNN dragging their heels.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

Seems like a totally normal guy to me!

Sickening.

 

[stupei]

Would you say she's closer to Bush than Sanders? (in terms of foreign policy, especially in the ME)

Sanders is nearly an isolationist. Most American politicians are closer to Bush than him.

That's how I feel about the Wii U.

I guess maybe people have different life experiences that lead them to different reactions?

Now is the time for healing. Not divisive rhetoric!

 

[plagiarize]

Don't kid yourself. The GOP aren't going to be swayed by Hilary, or any Democrat.

If she does get stuff passed, it will in no way look progressive.

Trump is going to see to it that Clinton has a more favorable congress and senate than Obama has had for at least the last two years.

Progressive to me, means further left than we are right now.

Not, as far left as you could hope to be from where we are now. Just further left. And yeah, I think most of what she gets passed is going to be at least a baby step further left.

 

[GavinGT]

Hillary went ham tonight, didn't she.

Bernie can't go ham, cuz he's Jewish.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Bernie can't go ham, cuz he's Jewish.

Does he keep kosher?

Spoiler

Tonight he did.

 

[danm999]

Hillary went ham tonight, didn't she.

Yeah seems like she unloaded a full clip into the Sanders campaign.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Don't kid yourself. The GOP aren't going to be swayed by Hilary, or any Democrat.

If she does get stuff passed, it will in no way look progressive.

Obstructionism takes energy. Public anger (and racism) has fueled a lot of it for 7+ years and it will be difficult to sustain that level of vitriol for too much longer, when scapegoats will become harder and harder to come by. I fully expect Hillary to have a more productive 1st term than, say, Barack's middle 4 years.

 

[nib95]

Bernie can't go ham, cuz he's Jewish.

Lol.

 

[ivysaur12]

Does anyone have a link to Hillary's speech from tonight?

 

[googleplex]

Haha, sure, listen, when you get out of the US and the bubble, you'll see what actual liberal and left wing politics are man.

But I'm not outside of the US. So what "Liberal" means in other countries with different social and economic dynamics means jack shit to me or anyone else that this election effects.