2 Super 2 Tuesday |OT| I'm Really Feeling (The Bern) (3/15, 3/22, 3/26 Contests)

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Russ T said:
Only if Trump doesn't win. (I don't think he will.)

We would've gotten two good picks with Sanders, too, so I'm not sure how that's a counter to what I'm saying!
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You said two warmongerers, so it is obvious the comparison was between Clinton and Trump.
 
Listened to the Trump Florida victory speech and holy fuck that man loves to eat the booty of his supporters.
 
pigeon said:
It will end up going to Hillary's campaign when Bernie eventually drops out, so eventually it will be used to fight Trump and put a Democrat in office.
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Shhh, just let them keep thinking Bernie's gonna buy a countryside mansion on the outskirts of Burlington with their donations.
 
I still have a feeling a brokered convention is coming and Trump gets pushed aside. I don't think he'll reach 1237 delegates, and then they'll find a way to dispose of him at the convention.
 
Tesseract said:
Hillary might get indicted, there's two cases against her. Staffer immunity.
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Negative. It's all news cycle none-sense. He was granted immunity because he refused to talk until he had a deal in place. Even the gov't bodies that made the deal said it wasn't necessary.

Hillary did nothing while SoS that Colin Powell and Condy Rice didn't do. If they're going to indict her, they need to lock them up as well. There's nothing on her emails, the State Department has said so. The timed release of the emails, and the stories about investigations are all aligned with major events in her primary process. She won't be indicted, and ultimately all this talk about her emails will end up being just that.
 
B-Dubs said:
Corporations are not allowed to donate directly to campaigns dude. The people who worked at those places were the ones who donated, not the companies themselves.

Also, really? TeleSUR?
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This part of it is always ignored. Those that work in those industries have preferences similar to teachers, doctors, nurses, cooks, etc. Guess what a wide variety of people and professions work in those industries. They have children, parents, etc that are impacted by who is running for office. They're paid better then most so chances are more of them would be in a position to donate as well. People like to act like they don't count or are the "bad guys" simply because of where they work. That kind of BS shouldn't be held against politicians I think
 
aspiegamer said:
I hate having to put it this way, but I'm probably willing to forgive a somewhat more aggressive foreign policy in exchange for 2-3 SCOTUS picks that'll set the stage for a more liberal movement the next 20+ years. Sometimes the big picture is cruel, but can't be ignored.
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Yeah but Sanders would've done that, too.
 
Wow. No wonder Rubio didn't waste any time dropping out.

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What a damning map for him. A swift and satisfying indictment indeed.
 
skylenorman said:
Negative. It's all news cycle none-sense. He was granted immunity because he refused to talk until he had a deal in place. Even the gov't bodies that made the deal said it wasn't necessary.

Hillary did nothing while SoS that Colin Powell and Condy Rice didn't do. If they're going to indict her, they need to lock them up as well. There's nothing on her emails, the State Department has said so. The timed release of the emails, and the stories about investigations are all aligned with major events in her primary process. She won't be indicted, and ultimately all this talk about her emails will end up being just that.
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Yep. Was pretty interesting how they just happened to release that last batch of Hillary emails right before the 1st Super Tuesday, lol. The whole thing is a farce, an attempt to build distrust (worked on some people) and delegitimize her for the presidency.
 
I still can't get over just how utterly destroyed Rubio got in Florida. And the signs were there in the polling, several campaign staffers tried to get him out before that enormous embarrassment, but the powers that be said "LOLNOPE I GONNA WIN I JUST FEEEEL IT!"

"oh..."

"...oh...."
 
Russ T said:
Yeah but Sanders would've done that, too.
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It's all about making lemonade out of those warmongering lemons, though.
 
EatinOlives said:
I still can't get over just how utterly destroyed Rubio got in Florida. And the signs were there in the polling, several campaign staffers tried to get him out before that enormous embarrassment, but the powers that be said "LOLNOPE I GONNA WIN I JUST FEEEEL IT!"

"oh..."

"...oh...."
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Trump thanks him because if he had dropped out Cruz wins Missouri and maybe North Carolina, and takes more delegates in Illinois.
 
Why did Rubio stay in? Did he and his campaign not see the same polls everyone else was seeing? He should have dropped out last week.
 
Bernie's campaign spent $8 million in the last 5 days in FL, NC, OH, NC and MO.

He's kinda proving the point that there's too much money in politics.

He also spent $1.4 million in Missouri to her $400,000.
 
CheeseConey said:
My dad's a trump supporter.... texts from him tonight.

"Im not voting for a socialist."

"Ask people in Russia and China how they feel about socialism."

"You criticize those who are like the Fords, the Vanderbilts, the Gettys, and the Rockefellers who were pioneers of this country much more greater than most most third country."

I honestly do not know what the last one was all about.
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But sanders lost tonight..
 
Russ T said:
Yeah but Sanders would've done that, too.
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I don't doubt it, but there's little denying Clinton is the stronger GE candidate. I certainly would have voted for Sanders in the unlikely miracle he took the nomination, and I most certainly trust him enough to nudge the Court more liberal, but in desperate times like this I'll take the best % odds.
foxuzamaki said:
But sanders lost tonight..
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Pfft. Details, details. Might as well all be Socialists! Health care for everyone is a right? Losers.
 
mattiewheels said:
It's all about making lemonade out of those warmongering lemons, though.
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Hah!

I mean, I get it. Hillary's better than Trump. Waaaaaaaaaaaay better. I'm not arguing that, and I never would. I certainly don't buy into the accelerationism nonsense.

But her foreign policy terrifies me. I think her time in office... her record with drones is going to be INFINITELY worse than anything that's happened during the Obama administration. And that's just during the first term. (Assuming she wins two.)

I am scared for our enemies. Not even our enemies, but the people who happen to live near our enemies. Blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I don't like it.

aspiegamer said:
I don't doubt it, but there's little denying Clinton is the stronger GE candidate. I certainly would have voted for Sanders in the unlikely miracle he took the nomination, and I most certainly trust him enough to nudge the Court more liberal, but in desperate times like this I'll take the best % odds.Pfft. Details, details. Might as well all be Socialists! Health care for everyone is a right? Losers.
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I can't fault you for thinking that way, but I don't agree. :P I think Sanders would win the GE.
 
Bernie's "baghdad Bob" like views about his nomination is dinging his credibility imo. But I guess I should have expected that after he released his tax plan.
 
Let's say the WORST about Hilary comes true.

- She deploys ground troops in Syria. (somewhat likely)
- She deregulates wall street. (highly unlikely)
- America loses more manufacturing jobs due to her trade deals. (very likely but not because of her)

What else? I cant think of anything else.

Here are all the good things she will do.

- Nominate 2-3 liberal judges that will tilt the Supreme Court 6-3 or at least 5-4 liberal for the next 20-30 years.
- Anti-Abortions laws get thrown out by the Supreme Court.
- States lose Gay Marriage lawsuits.
- States lose Anti-affirmative action lawsuits.
- Obamacare lives and gets bigger and better.
- Immigrants get a path to legalization, if not full citizenship.
- Minimum Wage increases to at least $10 from $7.75
- Student Loan debt gets lower interest rates and repayment rate is tied to your paycheck.


I dont think she will get any tax increases or gun control legislation passed through this congress. But her good outweighs her worst.
 
SlimySnake said:
Let's say the WORST about Hilary comes true.

- She deploys ground troops in Syria. (somewhat likely)
- She deregulates wall street. (highly unlikely)
- America loses more manufacturing jobs due to her trade deals. (very likely but not because of her)

What else? I cant think of anything else.

Here are all the good things she will do.

- Nominate 2-3 liberal judges that will tilt the Supreme Court 6-3 or at least 5-4 liberal for the next 20-30 years.
- Anti-Abortions laws get thrown out by the Supreme Court.
- States lose Gay Marriage lawsuits.
- States lose Anti-affirmative action lawsuits.
- Obamacare lives and gets bigger and better.
- Immigrants get a path to legalization, if not full citizenship.
- Minimum Wage increases to at least $10 from $7.75
- Student Loan debt gets lower interest rates and repayment rate is tied to your paycheck.


I dont think she will get any tax increases or gun control legislation passed through this congress. But her good outweighs her worst.
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if she wants a second term, she wont do any of the bad stuff
 
Bernie staying in is fine. He has to know that Hillary is the presumptive nominee, that cannot be lost on him. At the same time, the campaign gives him the stage to keep his topics in the national conversation, which is frankly a national service. It pulls Hillary leftward. He can stay in as long as he wants.

Now, given that Hillary is going to be the nominee, of course Bernie has to be careful not to provide ammunition for the other side, or to do or say things that would otherwise diminish Hillary in the general election. But assuming both candidates remain cordial and respective from here on to the inevitable end, let Bernie keep running. It's fine.
 
Randolph Freelander said:
Bernie staying in is fine. He has to know that Hillary is the presumptive nominee, that cannot be lost on him. At the same time, the campaign gives him the stage to keep his topics in the national spotlight, which is frankly a national service. It pulls Hillary leftward. He can stay in as long as he wants.

Now, given that Hillary is going to be the nominee, of course Bernie has to be careful not to provide ammunition for the other side, or to do or say things that would otherwise diminish Hillary in the general election. But assuming both candidates remain cordial and respective from here on to the inevitable end, let Bernie keep running. It's fine.
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Hillary has been fair to Bernie, can't say the same for him.
 
adam387 said:
Bernie's campaign spent $8 million in the last 5 days in FL, NC, OH, NC and MO.

He's kinda proving the point that there's too much money in politics.

He also spent $1.4 million in Missouri to her $400,000.
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But he's also kinda disproving the point that money influences politics too, as he couldn't buy a win.
 
Russ T said:
Hah!

I mean, I get it. Hillary's better than Trump. Waaaaaaaaaaaay better. I'm not arguing that, and I never would. I certainly don't buy into the accelerationism nonsense.

But her foreign policy terrifies me. I think her time in office... her record with drones is going to be INFINITELY worse than anything that's happened during the Obama administration. And that's just during the first term. (Assuming she wins two.)

I am scared for our enemies. Not even our enemies, but the people who happen to live near our enemies. Blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I don't like it.



I can't fault you for thinking that way, but I don't agree. :P I think Sanders would win the GE.
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Alternatively, we can impose tariffs in the exports our allies and doom millions to unemployment and starvation.

Two can wax poetical about the negative effects of different candidates.
 
Tamanon said:
But he's also kinda disproving the point that money influences politics too, as he couldn't buy a win.
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His point is not that money influences the voters, but the politicians themselves.

hawk2025 said:
Alternatively, we can impose tariffs in the exports our allies and doom millions to unemployment and starvation.

Two can wax poetical about the negative effects of different candidates.
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Well, you can sure try!

lol at comparing actual war crimes to tariffs
 
Miles X said:
Hillary has been fair to Bernie, can't say the same for him.
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I'll be honest and say I haven't watched much of the debates, but from what I can gather via fact checking publications, there have been some barbs from both sides that are somewhat fast and loose with actual facts.

But I'm more saying from here on, he should watch what he says, but otherwise continue to run. I'm sure that once this reaches its inevitable end, he'll bow out and give a ringing endorsement for Hillary.
 
Tamanon said:
But he's also kinda disproving the point that money influences politics too, as he couldn't buy a win.
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I think it matters a lot less at the presidential level than at the local level.

Money in politics is a huge issue if you're trying to win a race for a state house seat. As we've seen with Jebra and others, it's less important in a presidential race. Citizens United should be overturned, but there's a limit to the usage of money in a high-profile contest.
 
adam387 said:
Bernie's campaign spent $8 million in the last 5 days in FL, NC, OH, NC and MO.

He's kinda proving the point that there's too much money in politics.

He also spent $1.4 million in Missouri to her $400,000.
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Yeah the Sanders campaign should kind of look into all that. Pissing away money like that is scary.
 
Is there some kind of smugness litmus test you need to pass in order to sport one of those Hillary "H" logo avatars on Twitter and/or Gaf?
 
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