Yeah, how dare they!!
2 Super 2 Tuesday |OT| I'm Really Feeling (The Bern) (3/15, 3/22, 3/26 Contests)
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Yeah, how dare they!!
TheLostBigBoss
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there's no need to be upset
djplaeskool
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Never Go Full Rove™
echoshifting
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Lmao, relax
Tesseract
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neither bernie nor his supporters gaf about that, this is a fight for human rights
the next debate is in april, dws shenanigans abound
FunkyMunkey
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you're going to be seeing that logo a fuck ton more in many places for the next 6 months so you matter as well get over it now
I can't believe you guys grossly underestimate Trump so much. You seem to all assume Hillary will beat Trump - perhaps even by a landslide.
Remember when everyone said
"No way Trump is serious about running for president it's just a publicity stunt", and then later
"No way Trump will sustain his high poll numbers it will all collapse eventually like all joke candidates before him" and then
"No way Trump is coming back after losing Iowa. The so called "winner" is already a loser LOL" and then
"Trump is finished now after flirting with the KKK".
The list goes on and on... You could also mention the muslim ban or insulting John McCain. The normal rules of politics just don't seem work on Drumpf.
As an outsider not from the USA, with a degree in Political Science, Trump seems like the typical charismatic Right-wing populist combined with an unique skill to dominated the news cycle. Remember Trump has been in show business for decades now and understands how the media works better than any politician.
Clever democrats are not underestimating Trump and neither should you: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/democrats-on-donald-trump-threat-220118
Trump is a master at framing his opponent when he really wants to. "Low energy Jeb", "Little Marco", "Lyin Ted" etc. He will relentlessly go after Hillary with some childish nickname which will eventually stick.
In my life, besides Putin, I have never seen a more Machiavellian politician than Trump. I also think the rumours, that Trump learned about public speaking by keeping a collection of Hitler speeches by his bedside, are true.
There is still a long time until the General election. Most voters in the country are not paying attention right now or have a short memory and will have forgotten Trumps scandals by November. Of course democrats will do everything to remind voters of the KKK stuff etc. The truth is there still is plenty of time for him to pivot towards the General Election. Sure Trump has burned his bridges with liberals, but there still is plenty of time to mend the fences with moderates and conservatives sceptical of him.
I suspects it is correct when Trump claims he can put Rust-belt states like Michigan and Minnesota in play and increase turnout among white voters. I would not be surprised if Trump dramatically boost turnout with Republican leaning White working class voters. This is a group which has been drifting gradually away from the Democrats during Obama.
Will minorities rally around the Dems to stop Trump? Maybe. Will highly educated voters flee the vague promises of Trump towards the technocratic Clinton? It certainly is possible.
In my estimation there is at least a 30-40 % chance Trump defeats Hillary in a general election match up. Any one that thinks this will be a walk in the park victory is a bit of a fool imo. There only way democrats can win in the fall is if they start mobilizing all the passion and urgency they mustered in 2008.
Right now I'm not sure they are up to the task.
Remember when everyone said
"No way Trump is serious about running for president it's just a publicity stunt", and then later
"No way Trump will sustain his high poll numbers it will all collapse eventually like all joke candidates before him" and then
"No way Trump is coming back after losing Iowa. The so called "winner" is already a loser LOL" and then
"Trump is finished now after flirting with the KKK".
The list goes on and on... You could also mention the muslim ban or insulting John McCain. The normal rules of politics just don't seem work on Drumpf.
As an outsider not from the USA, with a degree in Political Science, Trump seems like the typical charismatic Right-wing populist combined with an unique skill to dominated the news cycle. Remember Trump has been in show business for decades now and understands how the media works better than any politician.
Clever democrats are not underestimating Trump and neither should you: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/democrats-on-donald-trump-threat-220118
Trump is a master at framing his opponent when he really wants to. "Low energy Jeb", "Little Marco", "Lyin Ted" etc. He will relentlessly go after Hillary with some childish nickname which will eventually stick.
In my life, besides Putin, I have never seen a more Machiavellian politician than Trump. I also think the rumours, that Trump learned about public speaking by keeping a collection of Hitler speeches by his bedside, are true.
There is still a long time until the General election. Most voters in the country are not paying attention right now or have a short memory and will have forgotten Trumps scandals by November. Of course democrats will do everything to remind voters of the KKK stuff etc. The truth is there still is plenty of time for him to pivot towards the General Election. Sure Trump has burned his bridges with liberals, but there still is plenty of time to mend the fences with moderates and conservatives sceptical of him.
I suspects it is correct when Trump claims he can put Rust-belt states like Michigan and Minnesota in play and increase turnout among white voters. I would not be surprised if Trump dramatically boost turnout with Republican leaning White working class voters. This is a group which has been drifting gradually away from the Democrats during Obama.
Will minorities rally around the Dems to stop Trump? Maybe. Will highly educated voters flee the vague promises of Trump towards the technocratic Clinton? It certainly is possible.
In my estimation there is at least a 30-40 % chance Trump defeats Hillary in a general election match up. Any one that thinks this will be a walk in the park victory is a bit of a fool imo. There only way democrats can win in the fall is if they start mobilizing all the passion and urgency they mustered in 2008.
Right now I'm not sure they are up to the task.
One can make a very cogent argument that decrying and tearing apart trade deals with little to no nuance is likely to negatively affect more lives across the World than errant drone strikes (which is what I think you're referring to when you say "war crimes"?)
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I doubt you've read even half of this thread
Aaron Strife
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The difference between counting out Trump in the primary and counting him out in the general election can be summed as this:
To believe Trump would lose the primary would be to deny that the polls are right.
To believe Trump would win the general election would be to deny that the polls are right.
Everything you said is based on nothing but gut feeling. Look at the numbers.
Minnesota voting for Trump come the fuck on
For the record I never once counted out Trump as the GOP nominee.
You're not wrong but I don't think anyone would (or could) just straight up cut out everybody without a moment's notice. Well, not Bernie anyway.
You can look at it another way, too. Even if Bernie gave literally no fucks about the rest of the world, such a thing would be very unlikely to get passed.
More errant drone strikes (a mild way to put it, but sure), on the other hand? Nobody's gonna stop that shit. /:
Already Torn
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You're forgetting the Hispanics. He gets the most votes from the Hispanics, he employees thousands of them in his hotels. He has the best hotels, he just opened a few new ones all across the nation. Negotiated very well.
Agent_Carnage
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Try Hillary Clinton...You'll love her...
If Hillary wanted to, she could have been hammering in how Bernie Sanders is a Castro-loving socialist who wants to raise taxes on the working poor.
So yeah, she's been pretty fair.
Rafa=FedKilla
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It's straight from the socialists playbook. Take from the poor and the dependent class, while giving money to enrich corporate oligarchs and the elites.
Unknown Soldier
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I have bad news for you there, most of the dislike for Hillary existed long before Bernie declared he was running for President.
Agent_Carnage
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I dident know Baghdad Bob was a Bernie Sander supporter.
So you're saying "oh Bernie doesn't actually mean the things he says about trade deals"? You actively don't believe your preferred candidate on some of the things he says and/or you know/hope Congress will reign in the policy positions or preferences he has you might not like? I dunno, I can't say that is a very encouraging outlook?
With regards to foreign policy oveerall, my issue is that though Clinton has misstepped in the past, its been VERY obvious over the course of the debates and town halls and her experience as Secretary of the State that her understanding of foreign policy is very extensive. The same is not true of Bernie and I feel he has demonstrated a slowness to learn. He has pretty consistently fumbled the ball on FP questions. The only real plus I can give him is that he didn't vote for the Iraq War. I think Clinton is much better connected and experienced to actually handle potential foreign policy issues that may come up.
Full stop, Clinton has been treating Sanders with kid-gloves. The GOP would unleash hellfire upon the man.
Tesseract
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let's not open pandora's box
Head to head numbers between Hillary and Trump means nothing right now. He has barely started attacking her. Everyone Trumps attacks goes down in the poll. It is not just luck it as a very potent skill Trump has.
And btw "there is not enough white males to elect Trump" just isn't true. The electorate is going to be 72 % white and those numbers is without the increase in white working class voters which I think will happen. The record number participants in the GOP primary could be a sign of things to come. Also a lot of minorites are concentrated in California and New York where the Dems already has a big majority.
Sure it is a short sighted strategy - and will not work in the long run - but right now in 2016 Trump can win by running up the white vote. Especially because unions have been fatally wounded in recent years in many Midwestern states. A lot of these people will be receptive to the nationalism and protectionism of Trump. States like Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconson aren't necessarily solid democratic states anymore.
And btw "there is not enough white males to elect Trump" just isn't true. The electorate is going to be 72 % white and those numbers is without the increase in white working class voters which I think will happen. The record number participants in the GOP primary could be a sign of things to come. Also a lot of minorites are concentrated in California and New York where the Dems already has a big majority.
Sure it is a short sighted strategy - and will not work in the long run - but right now in 2016 Trump can win by running up the white vote. Especially because unions have been fatally wounded in recent years in many Midwestern states. A lot of these people will be receptive to the nationalism and protectionism of Trump. States like Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconson aren't necessarily solid democratic states anymore.
Unknown Soldier
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Doing this would destroy the Republican Party. There's no way Trump wouldn't immediately declare he was running as an Independent and split the Republican vote in two, guaranteeing a Hillary Presidency. The Republicans know this. Trump knows this. It's not happening.
echoshifting
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Are you still talking about the avatars? Surely you're talking about some other offense
Trump running guarantees a win as well. They have no option that doesnt create a Deathwing scar across the party.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
how often did she call Sanders a communist?
Trump already did like 10 times. The word "Socialism" wasnt even brought up as a negative point against him by her
Speaking of, for such an honest politician, it was interesting to watch him evade the Castro question at the recent debate. "What I'm saying is that I wouldn't advise to invade a small country"; again and again. That wasn't the question. Why not own up to the fact that you have a more positive view of Castro than the average American?
I know I'm late with this complaint, but it would have been nice for Bernie to go all the way with the honesty thing. There was some definite misguidedness in what he said about Castro/Cuba, but I didn't think it was that bad.
I mean, it was a classic move, but way too obvious.
Post passive agressive shit, act super righteous after the obvious reactions.
That shit ain't sticking, lol
just when people were saying Tesseract is crazy, a wild royalan appears!
I do not understand these posts, considering GAF is full of Hillary supporters who are pretty toxic, while at the same time decrying about Sander's extreme supporters on reddit.
You saying he can not call out Hillary supporters smugness? You guys realize that the way you treat opposition supporters also have an impact on who they may vote, right? Even if I do not believe they are in enough numbers to be worried about.
Really? That is a strange position to take. Lying or trying to deceive others about one's character and their accomplishments is not "pretty fair", even if it was accidental. They both did well in trying not to attack each other and staying on the issues in my opinion. I would not say someone doing white lies and misinforming others is "pretty fair" even in politics.
There's not being on board with her, and then there's calling for third party runs to hand the election to the GOP, outright saying they'll vote for Trump, or calling her names like "witch" or "hag" - all of which I've seen posted on this forum tonight. So stop playing like the Bernie supporters are all some angelic voting block being maligned by the horrible Clinton-contingent.
The original post was mocking the gall of people to have Hillary-themed avatars.
If you want to call out people for being smug, call them out. No need to make some sort of bizarre blanket statement on the nature of the picture people frame below their username.
What?
echoshifting
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Calling Hillary supporters out on their smugness is one thing, if evidence allows, accusing Hillary supporters of smugness for sporting avatars showing their support for their candidate is ridiculous and deserves to be called out.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Roy is an unapologetic Clinton stan, but Tesseract posts are like a hand covered in rubber cement and jammed into a bag of magnetic poetry pieces
eBay Huckster
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name a Clinton supporter who's been acting smug and dismissive and I'll name two Sanders supporters who have posted anything from borderline sexist trash to insinuations that we're fundamentally selling out liberalism because of slight policy disagreements
it's comparable only in the most Wolf Blitzer of senses, where a 15-percentage-point difference is a dead heat
Good points, I didn't notice anyone here with a Hillary-themed avatar, unless I am missing something. I agree with what you are saying. He went overboard lol.
We would only be proving there are extreme supporters on both sides you know. Not worth it, my point (until the others clarified), was there are such supporters on both sides.
Sorry, still drinking the coffee. So, Bernie is still running for something?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
something, alright
Adam and Royalan and that's it really. Not some rediculous number considering the size of GAF.
excelsiorlef
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His new plan is to convince super delegates to vote against the will of the elected delegates and hand him the nomination.
Yup....
eBay Huckster
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pretty much. and yeah, definitely in agreement on that point (hence the "name one" - I do acknowledge they exist
)ah yes, the ol' Ted Kennedy maneuver
Yes really.
Or are you implying that Bernie Sanders has been completely fair and honest in his characterization of Hillary Clinton and her policy positions?
The point is, Hillary Clinton could have been a LOT harder on Bernie is she wanted to. And if you don't believe that, then you should be glad he got shut out of the nomination tonight, because he'd be damn near unrecognizable to you after the Republican attack machine got done with him.
The Bernie brand is finally over, maybe at the next primary!
It's over, period. Bernie lost his latest night, and that's the end of their primary hopes and dreams.
It's not hyperbole, it's not pundit drivel. It is LITERALLY it for Bernie. His campaign has nothing left, nothing they can reveal tomorrow would fix the hole now created. There is no reason for any one, liberal or conservative, to spend time campaigning for Bernie. Except if they want to throw away their vote. Which will also be cast for Hillary in November.
Hllary took away the last chance Bernie NEEDED to win over her (EXCEPT POLITICAL REVOLUTION LOL POLITICS), and the cavalcade of the handful of delegates he's gonna get in the future are gonna be nice but they're not gonna salvehis overspending and populist political campaign.
There may be some redditors that are gonna stick around. Some did it for Hillary. But the last bell bolled. Maybe next decade.
The age of Bernie is done.
It's over, period. Bernie lost his latest night, and that's the end of their primary hopes and dreams.
It's not hyperbole, it's not pundit drivel. It is LITERALLY it for Bernie. His campaign has nothing left, nothing they can reveal tomorrow would fix the hole now created. There is no reason for any one, liberal or conservative, to spend time campaigning for Bernie. Except if they want to throw away their vote. Which will also be cast for Hillary in November.
Hllary took away the last chance Bernie NEEDED to win over her (EXCEPT POLITICAL REVOLUTION LOL POLITICS), and the cavalcade of the handful of delegates he's gonna get in the future are gonna be nice but they're not gonna salvehis overspending and populist political campaign.
There may be some redditors that are gonna stick around. Some did it for Hillary. But the last bell bolled. Maybe next decade.
The age of Bernie is done.
Agreed. And more to the point it's dumb and a big waste of everyone's time. If you have a complaint about another poster, the proper avenue is to contact a moderator, not throw a fit in a thread.
eBay Huckster
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Clinton by about 1,000 votes, Trump by about the same margin (iirc both are being recounted but it'll only change something if Cruz somehow winds up with more statewide votes)
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