I will be voting with my conscience in November and writing in Bernie Sanders if he does not become the Democratic nominee. No one has even come close to earning my vote more than Senator Sanders. And if Trump ends up becoming the next President, that's what cynical, apathetic America deserves.
2 Super 2 Tuesday |OT| I'm Really Feeling (The Bern) (3/15, 3/22, 3/26 Contests)
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The Lamonster
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The plan of a True American Hero. That'll show 'em!
(minorities and underprivileged be damned)
shortsFortallPeople
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It's like people forgot how Nader splitting just enough votes from Gore fucked up this nation to the point that we're still feeling it today
Saint Gregory
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He could start by pointing out to them that Donald Trump is the special intrest. All he did by running is cut out the middle man.
FunkyMunkey
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you won't vote for her because you've literally been brainwashed by rhetoric coming from the far left to not trust the left?
that's pretty neat!
so fucking edgy! wowzers. can we listen to some linkin park together and talk about how mean mom and dad are?
it must be amazing to be so privileged that you can piss away your vote in the name of trying to prove some semblance of a point (that will fall on deaf ears) because you wouldn't be harmed by a trump presidency.
it's what america deserves maaaaaaan. shillary ($hilldawg the establishment hawk) didn't stop by his house to personally appeal to him. so it's trump time
So after Bernie inevitably loses and tells his people to vote for Hillary you're just going to give him a fuck you and then complain about cynical America if Trump wins.
lol
The Lamonster
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It's not a matter of forgetting, it's that they're too young to know or care about it.
I suspect many of these people are those who say they never vote because "it's pointless cause all politicians are corrupt/the same". For a brief moment, they got all excited thinking they would achieve their revolution through Sanders, and now that it seems it won't happen, they just go back to not caring and not voting.
In your mind you'll be writing in Bernie, but in reality you'll be writing 1/2 vote for Trump
So.. Good for you I guess? Idk why you want to vote for Trump
I never claimed to be a hero. I won't vote for liars. Sanders deserves my vote. He has earned my vote. And it's the only voice I have. Now if Hillary releases her transcripts, or at the very least donate the money she earned from Goldman Sachs, then we can talk.
The actions of the Sanders campaign after the primaries this Tuesday have gotten me worried about what they'll do when even they can no longer deny Clinton will win/has won. Surely he won't try to run as a third party right? I had thought for sure there was no way he would do that because he knows what would happen if he did, but like I said their actions this week worry me a little
It's sad as a Bernie supporter to see so many fellow Bernie supporters planning to do exactly what Hillary supporters said they would do, not vote for Hillary after Bernie lost.
Though I'm not the biggest fan of Bernie's campaign right now. Not liking the things being said or the way the are handling themselves in the face of defeat. I'm not saying Bernie needs to bow out right now, but no need to go hard and or dirty either. He should be using his time while he still has a platform, to educate. The last thing I ever wanted was for Bernie to leave a a bad impression on the party when he has already done so much in energizing young voters.
Though I'm not the biggest fan of Bernie's campaign right now. Not liking the things being said or the way the are handling themselves in the face of defeat. I'm not saying Bernie needs to bow out right now, but no need to go hard and or dirty either. He should be using his time while he still has a platform, to educate. The last thing I ever wanted was for Bernie to leave a a bad impression on the party when he has already done so much in energizing young voters.
It's not that they forget, it's that many of them were barely old enough to know about it. If you're a 21-year-old hoping to vote for Bernie this year in your first election, you would've been 5 during Bush/Gore.
What does that do? Are you more likely to support Hillary's policies or SCOUTS picks if she's personally less rich?
soundahfekz
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it was a long, drawn out goodnight for those folks man
BrutishMrFish
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Honesty is a terrible metric for choosing who to vote for. Believe it or not, Sanders is a politician, and lying is a part of the job. Hillary does it, Trump does it, and yes, Sanders does it.
FunkyMunkey
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i'd also wager that they have zero idea of any kind of role wall st plays on the us/world economy and are blindly following the wall st = cancer hogwash flowing from the sanders camp, either due to being predominantly young or just not caring enough to deviate from reddit or facebook to do any research (or actually vote for that matter).
So why vote for Sanders when he is still campaigning and fundraising under the presumption that he can still win? That is a bold faced lie.
This is basically where I am.
Fine Ham Abounds
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You won't vote for liars? Find me any human being who has never lied, muchtheless a politician who never has. crazypills.gif
Seriously, I think the guy is great. I'd like him to be, and I think he deserves to be, an inspiration for future policy makers, not an election footnote.
PUMA 2.0
http://hillaryis44.com/ is this what you want to become!? Tread carefully. Before you know it, you'll be talking about emails, Benghazi, whitewater or maybe a heaping of Vince Foster for old times sake. Basically, the 2016 version of that supposed whitey tape lmao.
http://hillaryis44.com/ is this what you want to become!? Tread carefully. Before you know it, you'll be talking about emails, Benghazi, whitewater or maybe a heaping of Vince Foster for old times sake. Basically, the 2016 version of that supposed whitey tape lmao.
balladofwindfishes
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Someone voting in this election could have been three years old in 2001
Yeah see I'm a Bernie supporter, but I'm also a realist. I supported Bernie because I am a believer in the democratic process. Everybody should have a chance, and the people should be allowed to speak. I didn't support just handing the party over to Hillary despite Bernie having little chance.
Well, the people have spoken. More people want Hillary than Bernie. It is what it is. After the 5 state sweep, the writing is now on the wall for everybody to see. It is time for him to start winding down his campaign.
soundahfekz
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man that site is terrible
On that note, I'm also worried about how much a potential Sanders nominee would actually campaign/fundraise for down-ticket Dems? Especially given his aversion to super PACs. No denying Bernie has built an incredible grass roots financing engine, but he's not going to be able to spread that among dozens of Senate, House and governors' races too.
Chmpocalypse
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200,000 Florida Dems voted for bush in 2000 - far more votes than Nader voters. Let this myth die, please.
FunkyMunkey
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don't you know? sanders has never lied and never changed his position on anything. he came out the womb cursing wall st and fighting for the poor and middle class, waving his rattle around in a stern but gentle fashion
It's part of what annoys me about him.
The best thing Bernie could do in terms of the political revolution he talks about desiring so much is using the incredible base he's built up to foster future progressives in the party.
What he'll probably do in actuality is lose, endorse Hillary, go back to being an Independent and do nothing to really foster the movement.
lastflowers
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he needs to pivot his 'revolution' stump speech to furthering progressive agendas at our local governments. I'm hoping the rest of his campaign will be transitioning towards this goal, so that those more vocal supporters on reddit, facebook, etc might move that frenetic energy towards something more productive to the cause.
Though I might vote Green, it'll only be because I know Hilldawg's gonna win washington.
Not really a myth--would the liberal Green Party voters be more likely to vote Democratic, especially given Gore's environmentalism positions?
Gooooood fucking luck getting an effective counter to this argument.
The Bernie-Or-Busters around here don't have a comeback, unless they're arguing that they're in a solid red/blue state.
Otherwise, their silence on this has been absolutely astonishing. It speaks volumes to their alleged seriousness on his vision.
Obama raised more money from Wall Street than any presidential candidate before him, and still pushed through Wall Street reform legislation. The FCC is essentially in the pocket of cable lobbyists, and yet Wheeler pushed through net neutrality. Flushing dirty money out of politics is important, but let's not kid ourselves that there's some 1:1 ratio of special interest money and pro-special interest policy.
Also, let's be honest: at this stage, nothing can make you substantially trust Hillary more or less. That's not a personal judgment call, it's just the fact that she's been in the public eye for 25 years, with a record and personal perception that speaks for itself by now. If you have an opinion on her, your mind is almost definitely made up, and no amount of donating corporate funds or transcript releases in the next few months is going to really change that.
(Double also: these calls for transcripts being released are almost as nonsensical as the people demanding Obama release his birth certificate. We know a lot of these speeches were about Hillary talking about her experiences as a diplomat or about furthering the role of women in business. What are you guys hoping to find, a personal vow from Hillary to give complete control of America to bank executives? The reason she's gun shy about releasing those transcripts is because, obviously, they include flattering things to her audience -- e.g. "my banking friends" -- that can be easily blown out of context and proportion to be used against her.)
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Yeah, I've been seeing the parallels.
lastflowers
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As they they say, you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Convince with love instead of fear and treachery. Posts here sound more and more like the right's use of rhetoric.
balladofwindfishes
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It's not using fear to explain the very real situation this election presents.
lastflowers
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Sure it is, but go on.
Writing in a candidate does not make your voice heard
The transcripts really really do not matter at all, yea she got money from Goldman Sachs, OK, we get it. Guess what? There are other issues that are more important than that at stake that make it imperative to keep the GoP out of the White House
balladofwindfishes
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I'm sorry politics isn't unicorns and rainbows and everyone can be friends.
When public healthcare requires a constitutional amendment to pass due to a justice a Republican put in place 20 years before, they'll have nobody to blame but themselves.
I'm convincing with logic, and I'm challenging the Bernie-or-Busters to come-up with an effective non-emotional counter-argument to a very pivotal issue. Losing the court means that much of the progressive agenda is DOA, and I'd finally love an answer from this crowd on why it'd be acceptable or sound strategy to allow such a thing to happen.
(For the record, if the shoe were on the other foot and Bernie were cruising to nomination, I'd be challenging the Hillary-or-Bust folks in similar fashion.)
My position isn't honey or vinegar. It's substance. If you don't like my tone, that's an emotional issue. Do you have an actual argument?
Any moment they'd love to provide a concrete non-emotional answer, I'm all-ears.
RustyNails
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IMO Hillary should just release the transcripts to get the Sanders people on board. Her lead is baked now. Even after a series of slip ups and missteps (Nancy Reagan and AIDS, where was bernie, coal out of business, etc), she did a clean sweep on Tuesday and bernie severely underperformed in his stronghold of Ohio and Missouri. Any damage from those transcripts will be minimal. It's like giving candy to your kids in order to leave from chuck-e-cheese's and go home.
lastflowers
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You're not getting the point. There's no point in continuing.
HylianTom's point proved above.
SlimySnake
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It's important to note that Bernie or Bust folks are likely NOT democrats. That's probably why they dont feel they have to vote democrat. Washington Post had a great article about this.
This figure stuck out the most to me.
30-50% of his voters are independents. Now Bernie bros would argue that he would bring more independents to the polls come November, and that maybe a valid argument, but him getting nominated as a Democrat would mean that the candidate a vast majority of democrats voted for was not elected. I cant find the polls but dems were voting for Hilary over sanders by a 2:1 margin.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cratic-party-to-be-elected-as-an-independent/
It will hurt her in the GE though.
This figure stuck out the most to me.
30-50% of his voters are independents. Now Bernie bros would argue that he would bring more independents to the polls come November, and that maybe a valid argument, but him getting nominated as a Democrat would mean that the candidate a vast majority of democrats voted for was not elected. I cant find the polls but dems were voting for Hilary over sanders by a 2:1 margin.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cratic-party-to-be-elected-as-an-independent/
It will hurt her in the GE though.
I mean, you're exactly proving his argument right.
There's always going to be an element of fear to presidential campaigning. You know why? Because there are real stakes involved. Elections have consequences. And electing a certain person for president or not will have real, potentially negative consequences for millions of real people. And it's not like this is something that Bernie's campaign hasn't been using either.
Dash_Riprock
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What do you expect when most of them are bitter ex-Ron Paul supporters?
The Lamonster
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Everyone can thank the Bernie Sanders campaign for this type of right wing-style shit coming out of a liberal Democrat's mouth. Ridiculous.
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