Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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Obliterator
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Its certainly a big jump thats why I'm wondering where this added info came from. Was he just told this after the story broke or has someone leaked and provided him some photographic evidence? Because if there's a prototype and documentation floating around out there, thats a big deal
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Don't take my word as gospel. You never know they may have a nice deal with NVIDIA or AMD making cards for cheap and allocating all cost there. We may see a big hardware jump and it may only cost $399 by Fall 2017.
Honestly, I hope they do go all out and blow our minds with a proper 4K console. The cost can be justified if the upgrade is substantial. But yeah, if "it's too expensive to go all out" crowd is to be heard of, there will be 4K media playback, and 4K gaming capability, but a lot of developers may stick to steady 1080p/60.
SolidSnakex
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Some are acting like this is what is happening here. Let's wait and see, shall we? They are not going to screw PS4 owners and the system will still be just as good as it ever would have been. Do you really think they are that crazy?
If they're releasing it this year, then yes they're pretty damn crazy.
It is not going to affect PS4 owners, though. All of the same games will be coming. You don't have to buy it.
Yes. But when 1st game that has framerate problems comes out on PS4, devs who made that game are gonna get slammed hard by those who will claim that "they dedicated too much of their time to polishing prettier PS4.5 version".
I fully expect that this will happen.
Blackleg-sanji1
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O you damn right its going to happen lol it'll be a train wreck. I wanna giv devs the benefit of the doubt but come on now if this releases and is a home run i give it a year tops before some fuckery starts to occurYes. But when 1st game that has framerate problems comes out on PS4, devs who made that game are gonna get slammed hard by those who will claim that "they dedicated too much of their time to polishing prettier PS4.5 version".
I fully expect that this will happen.
Yes. But when 1st game that has framerate problems comes out on PS4, devs who made that game are gonna get slammed hard by those who will claim that "they dedicated too much of their time to polishing prettier PS4.5 version".
I fully expect that this will happen.
Knowing how much gamers complain, it probably will. I don't know, I just don't have a problem with it and like that I will still be getting all of the games and then I can upgrade whenever I am ready, bringing my library with me. This just makes more sense to me.
SolidSnakex
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It's not simply about the PS4, its also about the PSVR.
1.) VR in general has a bad reputation over multiple failures. It's not going to be easy to make it catch on. Sony even knows this which is why Yoshida has stated that all VR manufacturers are in this together.
2.) Sony has a terrible reputation when it comes to supporting "side projects", which is what PSVR is. What does it say about their belief in it when they're going to launch an upgraded PS4 alongside it? It absolutely puts PSVR in direct competition with that upgraded PS4 as people are then going to have to decide whether they want that PSVR or do they want an upgraded PS4. It needlessly makes an uphill battle even harder.
No. But the pressure is off-developers in terms of delivering the best experience they can, as Sony can go on to say 'You want the best experience, then you gotta upgrade'
The distrust of developers to absolutely fight tooth and nail to squeeze every last drop they can out of the PS4 - XB1 versions of titles is gonna grow if new iterations hit.
Good read. This interview just reinforced my belief that this is indeed happening.
Why not just have every generation be backwards compatible? It isn't exclusive to an iterative mid-generation business model.
Why? this is the year that AMD is going from 28nm to 14nm so why wait for the benefits? if NX is coming this year with the benefit of 14nm & not knowing how long it's going to be before there is another big advance in GPUs they would be stuck with lower specs until about 2020 so why not take advantage of the move from 28nm to 14nm?
A $399 VR Headset coming out in October
Most people don't care about technical aspects like that. They want their investment to last. The release of a mid-gen upgrade devalues their investment, from an economics standpoint.
EDIT: and well, PSVR is releasing this year too.
I still think that they will get as much as they can out of the PS4 and the Xbox One, as these systems are still pretty young. They are not just just going to fuck everyone over who owns one to try and force them go ahead and buy another system while smiling like a troll. It would be a disaster.
Patrick Klepek in Twitch Q&A, talking about PS4.5 article:
https://www.twitch.tv/patrickklepek/v/55620319?t=18m46s
"There is hardware being built. There are test kits being built. There is documentation that exists talking about these machines."
https://www.twitch.tv/patrickklepek/v/55620319?t=18m46s
"There is hardware being built. There are test kits being built. There is documentation that exists talking about these machines."
A few years ago I would have agreed with you but with todays attitude being "Screw us more, we like it!" and "Let me throw money at you!!!" they can do anything and the white knights and apologists will go right for it. The problem is there seem to be more of them than us.
Yep, this is a done deal.
foolishoptimist
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I'm not sure it makes sense to be adding extra power for VR, for the current headset. They've aimed at a lower fidelity than the PC headsets, but they're also targetting customers with a lower budget.
It doesn't make sense to be aiming higher before their headset is even launched.
I do fully expect an upgraded headset in 2 years time though. That's going to need a more powerful system. PC headsets may see yearly revisions, not sure.
It doesn't make sense to be aiming higher before their headset is even launched.
I do fully expect an upgraded headset in 2 years time though. That's going to need a more powerful system. PC headsets may see yearly revisions, not sure.
LostDonkey
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Certainly starting to look that way with this recent information.
I don't know if I like it yet.
By and large I agree. But it would only take one or two developers to start the trickle down of resentment...a lack of patching here, some horrendous loading there that aren't evident on the PS4K and XB1+ versions to piss people off
The reviews section of a game: "Ps4k version runs great but hold fire if you're 'just' a PS4 owner...'
Is it rational when no-one is forced to upgrade? Not entirely. Can I see it happening and annoying many? Absolutely.
Obliterator
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Honestly lock it up. Patricks certainty on this and Jason and Totilo backing him up is more than enough for my trust.
That said It would be cool if Patrick did a follow up article or something extrapolating how he got this new info. Obviously he needs to protect his sources but outright saying the test kits are being built is a big claim
THE:MILKMAN
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It could be a one-off short gen or mid gen iteration. The Zen jump seems to be the biggest single jump in performance for AMD in a decade.
All I know is this is all very interesting. We need to start hearing about Xbox soon though seeing as that will almost certainly be using the same chips.
All I know is this is all very interesting. We need to start hearing about Xbox soon though seeing as that will almost certainly be using the same chips.
blastprocessor
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OK so who is this guy then?
All we can do is wait and see. But with forwards compatibility, I am planning to get a full life out of these systems. I am in no way ready to buy PS4.5 and Xbox One 1/2. And I don't give a shit if the games are running better or not. I'm good.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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I'm pretty on board with this. Apart from anything else, I wanted a 4K blu ray player this year anyway.
bitbydeath
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Some are acting like this is what is happening here. Let's wait and see, shall we? They are not going to screw PS4 owners and the system will still be just as good as it ever would have been. Do you really think they are that crazy?
Playstation has always been a trojan horse for consumer electronics, be it CD, DVD, Blu-ray, HDTV and soon 4K Playstation has had a hand in pushing them all.
2016 is the year 4K movies begin to take off and Sony will do what it can to get them into peoples homes. (along with selling a few of their 4K TVs)
On top of that PSVR will get a mighty push from a more powerful system and unlike PS3s release with Blu-ray their will be a more consumer price friendly version so PlayStation doesn't suffer from slow uptake.
As long as it doesn't become a regular thing then I'm all for it.
Next PlayStation can wait for 8K.
Patrick Klepek, the journalist from Kotaku whom broke the news together with his colleagues.
Obliterator
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Ummm the writer from Kotaku who broke the story
rokkerkory
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Damn sounds like this is getting pretty real! Love to see what 4.5 would look like! I bet they are all in on VR
timmyp53
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I mean how does he know this though? He isn't referring to the prototyping?
SolidSnakex
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If they were all in with it then why would the cripple its adoption by launching an upgraded console along with it?
blastprocessor
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Obliterator
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Test Kits being built and documentation means they are being sent to developers. Makes sense if this is really a 2016 launch.
But yes I'm guessing this is new info as it wasn't referenced at all in his original piece
mugurumakensei
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That's why they haven't announced a console bundle for PS4. PS4 VR Bundle ( PS4.5, PS VR, PS Camera, PS Move 2.0, 1 TB drive ) holiday 2016 ( $599 ).
foolishoptimist
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It could be currently unfeasible prototypes, based on what they think will be available/cheap enough in a year or 2.
I just think releasing it this year undermines everything they've said/done with PSVR so far.
Some are acting like this is what is happening here. Let's wait and see, shall we? They are not going to screw PS4 owners and the system will still be just as good as it ever would have been. Do you really think they are that crazy?
Considering the last 10 years of console gaming, anything is possible.
Sure if Sony wants to go bankrupt.
SolidSnakex
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Are you serious? How cheap do you think this PS4.5 is going to be? This new Sony doesn't like losing money on hardware, and they'd be losing a ton if they tried to sell a PSVR+4.5 bundle for $600. A $600 bundle for the current console isn't even going to work.
Well, if they put the VR tech in the upgraded system and with a headset (maybe) it might be better for it. New buyers will go out and buy that. As it is, only existing users will purchase PSVR like peripherals usually are which are never enough. I don't have a PS4 yet, but the upgraded one would be more appealing because it would come with the thing they're trying to push.
That's just one possibility though.
Plus the upgrade will likely help VR more than the other stuff.
I made this after reading the thread and zoetis post.Sorry if the pic is to big its my first time doing something like this.
If this is the scheme, I will wait for the ps5.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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If Amazon's first PSVR + PS4 listing is to go by, this will be $899.
PS4 is going to be the second console that I have ever sold and probably the quickest also.
I would not mind a slim version with the VR box already in the console (a la Xbox 360 Slim). But significant upgrades that affect the games' perfomance Nope, I am not going through that.
That's perfectly fine. The concept behind this strategy is to allow people to hop in any time they feel like, eliminating the feeling of being late to a generation while also growing the userbase and ecosystem. Hence why all 3 seems to be going in this direction.