NX Controller Rumor [Up5: Original was fake, and thus this is too]

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Taker666 said:
I certainly expected innovation in control (scroll wheels, haptic feedback, maybe some Kinect like features, touch control)..

....but I'd be pretty surprised if this is the actual console controller (unless it doubles as a full handheld), purely due to the fact it'll be another Wii U situation where the console price is bumped by $100 (or more) due to the controller cost.

I just find it hard to believe that Nintendo would double down on the dual screen set-up of the Wii U ...and go with an even more expensive streaming controller as standard.
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This is the single biggest reason to believe this is fake. It makes zero sense given the failure of the wii u, and nintendo's comments about the gamepad being part of the problem.
 
TunaLover said:
Wii U had alot of company logos in its presentation, even developers interview, that didn't translate into support in the long run.
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but those are mainly japanese devs and we know they'll be there day one. I firmly believe someone in Nintendo really screwed the Wii U over, making it far weaker than what developers were promised, hence them being angry and deciding to not work on the device. We know some of that happened from insiders here actually.
 
Assuming we are looking at a no-button Nintendo console here...

I am still going to listen to what Nintendo has to say about it at E3, but unless the real controller is drastically different from this thing I'll need to get hands-on at a Best Buy or something before I even consider a purchase because for a first impression this ain't looking good.
 
If this is indeed the controller how would the handheld be like? It has to be somewhat the same if the shared library rumors are true.
 
Bots are better than you said:
ShockingAlberto said his source "confirmed" the pictures, the word confirmed in quotation marks. I'm not sure wether this means the pictures are real, or the source confirmed that they're fake.
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Exactly. He also said that his source didn't make him believe or disbelieve.

So he didn't really say anything definitive.
 
Zoon said:
If this is indeed the controller how would the handheld be like? It has to be somewhat the same if the shared library rumors are true.
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I really don't see the point in them designing an expensive controller and a different expensive handheld. Just roll em into one, I say.

Let people buy the one device, and automatically have a foot in the door for both systems, as it were.
 
ZOONAMI said:
But then why include the controller with the console? It would still drive up the cost of the console, as something like a pro controller is still dirt cheap comparatively. Economies of scale don't make up for a screen and expensive streaming internals in the controller, especially a fucking bleeding edge free-form display that serves zero practical purpose.
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I think they will drive the price down by making the console vastly underpowered, even maybe with the same internals as the handheld if they decide to sell it with a screen-less controller. That would get even more economies of scale


Bots are better than you said:
Yeah, but you have to keep in mind that their own games are traditional games for the vast majority.

In regards of controls, i just don't see a big difference between a Zelda U (or TP HD, or WW HD) and ... let's say Tomb Raider as another Action-Adventure.
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But traditional 3rd parties probably will not adapt the screen buttons. Nintendo games will
 
ZOONAMI said:
But then why include the controller with the console? It would still drive up the cost of the console, as something like a pro controller is still dirt cheap comparatively. Economies of scale don't make up for a screen and expensive streaming internals in the controller, especially a fucking bleeding edge free-form display that serves zero practical purpose.
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But if they want a touchscreen on the controller, then it makes more sense to be able to use 90% (or whatever) of the same parts as a similar handheld device to keep costs down on both.
Designing like that from the outset probably solves the WiiU not having enough power to use more than one Gamepad at 60fps too, if their 'local cloud' patent means a handheld can be used as an additional controller, and take some of the required processing onto itself.
 
Enter the Dragon Punch said:
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I want to add that, from my relative measurements, this controller is slightly wider than Wii Classic Controller and has the same height.

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ZOONAMI said:
Patents don't always become consumer devices, and rumors are rumors.
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Yes rumors are rumors, but they seem to be coming from many respectable sources. Wall Street Journal, Game Informer, Japan Times. All of these sources seem to indicate that the NX controller will have some kind of screen on it.

We're not talking about rumors posted on Twitter, 4chan, GAF, or some Nintendo fan site.
 
gai_shain said:
So chances are people can only like the leaked controller if they are fanboys without there being the chance that they actually like it?
Is this a "real gamers would never like it" argument?
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Pretty much. What's so hard to understand about that? If you're a Nintendo fan you have a higher chance of liking it than if you're not and chances are you probably think it's garbage.
 
DownGrader said:
I want to add that, from my relative measurements, this controller is slightly wider than Wii Classic Controller and has the same height.

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Ugh

Great controller for VC games

Horrible for anything that had to use the sticks

No grips and the sticks were WAY to close together

Pro Controller might be the best design ever
 
boiled goose said:
An expensive gimmick controller is a bad and very risky direction. We already had the wiiu.

It means less third party support.
It means underpowered.
It means expensive.
It means less focus on features like online services.
It means continuing an increasingly disjointed and fragmented development platform.

I'm very worried that this is real..
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Not if the handheld is under the NX Platform, as well.
 
ZOONAMI said:
They also said the wii u controller drove up the cost of the system, and that it was unappealing to the market. So, official nintendo communication would also indicate making a more expensive and equally unappealing controller to the market wouldn't make a lot of sense. If this is real it basically means nintendo has learned nothing from the failure that was the wii u.

There are many other reasons to think it's fake, evidenced throughout the thread, and elsewhere on the Internet. So stop being so dismissive at the possibility of these "leaks" being fake. It's possible you'll be eating crow once the official reveal happens, just like the rest of us.
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Wii U looked like a toy tablet really. I like it, but for general public it appeared overpriced because it looked cheap. This looks cool, modern. If promoted properly it has a chance to become hip.
 
Boogdud said:
I think you're probably waaay under. Sharp's tech for free form isn't cheap by any means. I'd be genuinely surprised if it wasn't more than the Wii U pad, cost wise.
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I didn't want to seem very hyperbolic since it's just conjecture, but I think you're right.

The iPhone 6s Plus screen is around $52, including haptics.
I think Nintendo will go with a screen of a slightly lower quality than Apple's, and they probably won't have something similar to their Taptic Engine, but those cost reductions could easily be offset by the higher cost of a Free-Form display.
 
A10Pilot said:
I can't believe people are so negative about all this. Nintendo will do a great job. If you honestly think that they haven't learned some lessons from the WiiU you don't really understand business and shareholders very well.
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This is Nintendo we are talking about here
 
boiled goose said:
An expensive gimmick controller is a bad and very risky direction. We already had the wiiu.

It means less third party support.
It means underpowered.
It means expensive.
It means less focus on features like online services.
It means continuing an increasingly disjointed and fragmented development platform.

I'm very worried that this is real..
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1. No the reason third parties gave that they were not on board with the wiiU were poor sales and lack of power. If being different and having to add optional features was enough to deter third parties the PS3 with it's exotic and difficult cell architecture would have never got any support. In fact I'm pretty sure optimizing code for the cell architecture is more difficult then displaying a picture on a second screen.

2.How on earth does it mean underpowered? Having a gimmick does not mean the system lacks power in any capacity. These are not mutually exclusive events.

3. It does not mean expensive it CAN mean expensive it does not mean it will be though.

4. Once again these are not mutually exclusive events. There is no reason having a screen in the controller means online services lack. There is literally no correlation to be had here.

5. The entire concept of the NX is to homogenize the Handheld and Console development it's literally the exact opposite of this
 
Link_enfant said:
Nintendo already confirmed the NX would be unveiled at E3 2016, so even if there's a Direct before it they wouldn't talk about it at all.
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Actually Kimishima said that they won't talk about the NX Platform until the end of the current fiscal year. And given the rumors of PS4K & XB1+ being on the way, possibly for an E3 reveal, Nintendo may end up getting overshadowed by those two & VR unless they reveal the NX Platform ahead of time.
 
BowieZ said:
Let people buy the one device, and automatically have a foot in the door for both systems, as it were.
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This is the one scenario where the home console/handheld duality makes any sense to me. If you make people buy two systems and possibly even make them buy the same games on both, due to being effectively ports to different hardware, such a system simply won't work.

Rolling it out as one would be the only scenario where I could see it even remotely working.
 
Kimawolf said:
Well it was never going to be anything amazing on the 3rd party front anyhow. We know SE , Bamco, Sega, capcom, Activision and possibly Ubi are on board. And if rumors are to be believed, EA wants to be on board.
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Was this not the case when WiiU was about to launch? I'm sure most major publishers ported at least one game to the WiiU.
 
aza said:
Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:

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  • Contextual actions/buttons
  • Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel
Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.
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This looks great until you put two hands on the controller and then you start having issues. Without physical buttons you need visual of where to tap the screen. That limits a lot of screen space for buttons. You end up having to share buttons with UI and fighting for screen space.
 
ZOONAMI said:
This is the single biggest reason to believe this is fake. It makes zero sense given the failure of the wii u, and nintendo's comments about the gamepad being part of the problem.
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Indeed. If they were saying this was the NX handheld, I'd find it much easier to believe and be fine with it (as for handheld it makes far more sense)...

...but as another "streaming" controller ( that'll bump up the home console price massively) it just seems to be following the Wii U way too closely.
 
Simbabbad said:
If true, that's suicide. Some people favour smartphone and tablet gaming because phones and tablets are mainly used for other things they care about, while games are just a little extra. A dedicated hardware that would aim to replicate that sort of experience is geared toward horrible failure: the people who don't care about gaming won't want it because they already have what they need, and the people who care about gaming won't want it because it lacks the experience/comfort they seek.

It even makes less sense if you consider this isn't even a handheld and you're supposed to look at the TV while you use this thing. And it even makes less sense after the failure of the Wii U: why base everything on a gimmick that was widely ignored or rejected and throw all the rest out of the window? It's so mind-bogglingly idiotic I believe 90% it's fake, even without considering the aberration of the weird cropped image on the first "leak".

It'd make a little more sense if there were attachments, but what would be the upside of putting all vital input on an attachment? At least the Wiimote made sense without the nunchuk since it allowed to play games NES style, and separating the two halves of a classic controller with the nunchuk was actually a neat idea. Here, there is no upside whatsoever to a hypothetical attachment, especially since you're supposed to watch the TV, here.

Even if you think it's true and Nintendo has thought this thing inside out and it turns out it actually works, on a marketing/media/image level, they'll get completely destroyed no matter what they say. The Wii and Wii U did work (and the Wii U actually mostly plays in a completely standard way), and yet Nintendo's image still degraded because of the sent message, and it'll be worse here in an exponential way. I loved the Wii and love the Wii U, the Wii U is my only current generation console, but if this thing is real (which I really doubt it is), I'm simply not interested and will just go on playing on Steam. It's an absurd design.
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There are a lot of indie games on phones and tables that are not Clash Of Clans.

My main idea is that Nintendo wants to be a mainstream company, not a gamers company. So in that sense they will iterate on whats popular now ( phones ) while keeping their actually fan base.
 
MilkBeard said:
Notice the WiiU screen, and the 'NX' screen. The light is even shining on the 'NX' at an angle, but it looks like there is no depth to the display. You see the color of the light itself, but not any parts of the display are lit up underneath the material. It doesn't really look like a screen at all, in fact, just a glossy black piece of material.
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It's supposed to be an OLED for the donut tech. OLEDs don't have such layers of display, the pixels are self-lighting and right under the screen. With optical lamination, they can/should look almost painted on, and bright lights hitting them should not create a layered look like your argument. Good investigation though.


Actually you can even scratch that OLED qualifier though the NX probably uses it, my 6S which is optically laminated doesn't have such subsurface refraction either. If the display went end to end it would just look like a solid block when off and under light.
 
th4tguy said:
This looks great until you put two hands on the controller and then you start having issues. Without physical buttons you need visual of where to tap the screen. That limits a lot of screen space for buttons. You end up having to share buttons with UI and fighting for screen space.
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Maybe something like the tactile touch screen tech that came out of CES a few years ago??
 
I would rather have more screen real-estate to look at, not less. Seems to be an interesting way to take the current Wii-U controller and mix in some new tech, so if its an extended HUD for most games, that will be ok but if they are trying to push it as a long-term gaming option, I just don't see it working with its current shape.
 
Taker666 said:
Indeed. If they were saying this was the NX handheld, I'd find it much easier to believe and be fine with it (as for handheld it makes far more sense)...

...but as another "streaming" controller ( that'll bump up the home console price massively) it just seems to be following the Wii U way too closely.
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But at the same time, I can get why they would want to go unique since it's too late in the generation to be any kind of threat to Sony & Microsoft. The rumors of PS4K & XB1+ only solidify this. Not to mention that it would help continue the advancements of games such as Splatoon & Super Mario Maker, both of which used the GamePad to a significant degree. While I'm not so keen on the removal of physical buttons, I'm hopeful that the GameCube Adapter & the Hori Pokkén Pro Pad will work for Smash & Pokkén, respectively.
 
Taker666 said:
Indeed. If they were saying this was the NX handheld, I'd find it much easier to believe and be fine with it (as for handheld it makes far more sense)...

...but as another "streaming" controller ( that'll bump up the home console price massively) it just seems to be following the Wii U way too closely.
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Maybe it can be both
 
Ok let's look at it like this. What's the point of this "NX controller"?

Let's say it's the NX controller then what "new" thing would you be able to do on it that you couldn't do with the Wii U Gamepad?
 
Boogdud said:
Sorry, I meant to say "isn't going to be cheap". That's an assumption on my part. I just assume it can't cost less than the wii u's lcd, especially since the screen is significantly larger (and shaped).
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It's not larger. However, it will be shaped, with capacitive touch and (I bet... I hope) with higher resolution and/or pixel density.
 
KingBroly said:
What if the scroll wheels were the only buttons?
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The sticks probably click too. I definitely think it could do with a pair of pads on the back that your remaining 3 fingers can press.
Leaker said the scroll wheels might not be final form, so we'll see.
Possible that final wheels could be flat buttons with optical sensors inside like an optical mouse instead, they have filed a bunch of side mounted optical sensor patents.
 
I think putting the whole game video feed into the controller might be what's off... I'm thinking that touchparts on it are shapable into any buttons the devs sees fit to do for their game's UI on it. Not necessarily play the game on it, but if they can do both, then I guess why not.

I'm all for taking controls into a new direction and innovative design. But hopefully it won't be another WiiU at the end.

Oh and I'm sure this has been said already because I'm posting after 150+ pages. :|
 
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