Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K

So weird to be talking about this especially for this year, i would've thought the focus for this year would be for the remaining ps4 exclusives for the year to have successful launches and marketing and they gear up for a full marketing push for their new hardware already announced(psvr)
 
Well that's one way of forcing the hand of TV buyers, Sony. It's a win-win for Sony - sell more PS4s with the updated model and sell Sony 4K TVs.
 
I assume they're going to build in the functions of the VR Breakout Box so they can sell future headsets for cheaper later on? (Of course they'll have to mark them as PS4K-exclusive, big deal.)

Edit: Then again, it would maybe keep console costs down to not do so. I guess it all depends on how hard they want to push VR. Which so far, looks like pretty hard.
 
So the more I see of this, the more I get the impression that Sony wants to launch DSi equivalents mid-generation going forward as opposed to totally upending their console cycle.

Or in other words, having a 6 year cycle for primary iterations, but an upgraded model halfway through to make the idea of 6 year old technology seem less archaic.

BOOM! I'm actually half way okay with this.
 
Sure, but I don't think that's what the question is usually about.

Well, it was supposed to have been shown off at GDC, so I don't think that it's unrealistic that they touted native 4K support to indie devs there.

"Besides resolution, developers would have an opportunity to push more effects and other graphical tweaks to make their games look better, thanks to the new GPU."

But for more complex games they could push other stuff besides resolution. It sounds like it's up to the devs how they use the extra power, but 4K could be an option for some games.
 
I'll go with option 3. 4k gaming in a console for a reasonable price doesn't seem likely for now.

$399 for new model and price drop to $299 for current PS4? I wonder if they'll throw in a 1 TB HDD.

Or keep the current at 339 and the new one at 439.

It's the Apple way of a price drop.
 
Honestly, lots of potential pit falls to this. For example, if differences go beyond resolution, say to frames rates and graphical effects too, that just doesn't seem like it'd be fair in competitive environments where such things can make more of a difference. Eg players having a gameplay advantage because of a hardware advantage.

Then with the whole VR thing. Right now the advantage of PSVR is its cheaper than the competition, both the headset and the system. If they sell a more powerful but expensive console, just to play the same not that amazing looking games as the PS4, but in 4K at a more expensive cost, surely in terms of consumer mindset it'll start diminishing the price difference between PS4 VR packages and PC VR packages, like Oculus for example? I mean, PS4K VR games are still going to have to run on the PS4, so it's not like they'll be super state of the art. If it's that much more expensive, it may almost start making Oculus or Vive plus a half decent PC rig, sound more viable.

there's also the situation where they could market images of the "4.5" games, and how they look on that system, which could piss off PS4 owners when the games don't quite look or run as described....

I think they really need to be careful about conflating "4K" (ugh, wish we had settled on UHD, but it's done now) and "VR".
 
Option 3 should say "4K media/movie support, but gaming remains 1080p" right? It doesn't make sense as is
 
Or keep the current at 339 and the new one at 439.

It's the Apple way of a price drop.
I can't recall if they've released a model or bundle that was priced beyond $399, if they have, then yeah, I can see the new model going for as much as $449.
 
Well, different sources and none of them can say what exactly is, maybe because there are no more power for them.
Every single rumor I've seen has been that there is going to be more power available for games, just not specifically how much. That's basically the entire story here.
 
At first I thought this was a bad idea, but PS4k gives them room to discount the base PS4, which would probably be good enough for most mass market buyers. They can also make money off hardcore gamers looking for an upgrade. The degree to which games look different is my only concern. Doesn't sound like there will be "only on ps4k" gmes though.
 
there's also the situation where they could market images of the "4.5" games, and how they look on that system, which could piss off PS4 owners when the games don't quite look or run as described....

I think they really need to be careful about conflating "4K" (ugh, wish we had settled on UHD, but it's done now) and "VR".


I would be among those that would be angry. Probably angry enough to just bail on this gen and stick with my PC.
 
PS4K is an awesome name.

I might buy one when Everybody's Golf lands. I do have a 4K display, but no 4K capable player, so this would be two birds with one stone for me.
 
Uh ? Then explain to me how it would work ?

It's like two levels of PC, a Medium and a High. Your 770 card will still work to render games, but at a slightly lower resolution or framerate, or a few extra graphical features turned off, compared to a 970.

All games should still work on the regular PS4, they'll just look a little nicer and run a little smoother on the PS4K, presumably.
 
Uh ? Then explain to me how it would work ?

Regardless of what the new system is it will have the same internal architecture of the current PS4 but with just upgraded specs.

This would give consumers two options:

-Buy the cheaper current model and still enjoy all PS4 games.
-Buy the new system that upgrades games slightly(30fps-60fps and so on)

Sony isn't cutting the market in half

It's like two levels of PC, a Medium and a High. Your 770 card will still work to render games, but at a slightly lower resolution or framerate, or a few extra graphical features turned off, compared to a 970.

All games should still work on the regular PS4, they'll just look a little nicer and run a little smoother on the PS4K, presumably.

Yeah well said
 
I simply don't know what to make of this,it sounds like a bad idea at first glance but i need more concrete info.
One thing is for sure,it's going to be a pain in the ass for devs.
 
Uh ? Then explain to me how it would work ?

General consensus is the games will now be forward compatible. The PS4 can play PS4.X games, the newer models will just look better. For example, you can expect games that are compatible with iPhone 7 to work on your iPhone 6 as well.
 
Well, it was supposed to have been shown off at GDC, so I don't think that it's unrealistic that they touted native 4K support to indie devs there.



But for more complex games they could push other stuff besides resolution. It sounds like it's up to the devs how they use the extra power, but 4K could be an option for some games.

Right, I'm sure we'll see notable variance between focusing on framerate, extra graphical fidelity, and/or extra resolution enhancements per game.

Maybe something like Battlefront tries to hit 1080p while The Division goes for some of the graphics features that aren't on consoles.
 
Uh ? Then explain to me how it would work ?

How what would work?

If you have a 4K display, you might want to consider it. If you don't, you might not. Other than that, nothing is known for certain, although Option C in the Eurogamer writeup seems most likely (to me at least).
 
If this is what happens to console gaming, I'm out.

What a waste of time and resources. This is nothing but a complete cash grab.
 
I simply don't know what to make of this,it sounds like a bad idea at first glance but i need more concrete info.
One thing is for sure,it's going to be a pain in the ass for devs.

Optimizing for 2 x86 closed specs instead of 1 <<<< Optimizing for hundreds of PC specs

It's not a nightmare at all for devs.
 
This don't really make any sense because PC have thousands of different configurations & your mad at a console for having 2?
Makes perfect sense for some they figure might as well go all the way nd have better options. I've thought about it too but its better to wait and see how this goes
 
I'm still going with my prediction that this will have some kind of reprojection technique for 4k output, not native rendering but much better than a typical upscale. I was predicting something like that for next gen but it seems it's happening sooner than later.

Something like the above is what I'm suspecting as well. They don't really need to support native 4k for gaming, they just need something that has enough of a visual fidelity boost for the average consumer to latch onto as "4k".

I think the 4k/UHD upgrade is the justification/marketing they'll use, but I suspect improved VR performance is one of their larger goals with this refresh. IMO it might allow them to more easily get ports of what the other two solutions are getting and keeps them a viable contender in the VR space for a few more years.
 
So what ? I already have to buy a new console to play next Naughty Dog game ?


Fuck this.

I may be totally wrong but what I understand is that in order to play the next big games of the generation decently I'll have to buy something again ? If that's the case I hate the path consoles are taking now

Uh ? Then explain to me how it would work ?

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This don't really make any sense because PC have thousands of different configurations & your mad at a console for having 2?

It does make sense when you consider what both of them are. You go into PC gaming knowing you'll be upgrading. I also love tinkering with hardware on my own. I've been a PC gamer longer than a console one and if I'm forced to choose one way or the other I'm always going PC.

Consumers buy into consoles in part for the life cycle. They'll be able to play the top games for many years. Most of them won't care about the PS4 upgrade. I'm a snob though so I will be angry if I'm not getting the best performance. Basically, I didn't buy a PS4 day one to have to upgrade in 3 years for a better one. I also didn't buy one to have the lesser experience on Playstation in 3 years.

Beyond that, I'm not paying to upgrade a PC and a console. I can if I want to but, I don't want so I won't. Where does it end? We get the PS4, 3 years later we get the PS 4.5, 3 years later we get the PS5, 3 years later we get the PS5.5? If that's the case then people will have to fully devote their money to Sony hardware because gaming on Playstation will be way more costly than what console users are used to. At that point you can get a better experience on PC for the same cost. The biggest advantage of console gaming over PC gaming is essentially eliminated.

That's the thing, if you're so mad about 2 options why would you be happier with 1000's of options? isn't this what you're upset about in the 1st place? seem like a case of false rage & a hate for change.

It's not about options. It's about experiences.
 
I want to see the extra horsepower being spent on dynamic smoke, flame, fluids, physics-based destruction, etc..

1080p is enough for now imo. Increasing resolution only would be a colossal waste.
 
I think this is getting way out of hand and this is literally just a PS4 slim with 4k video playing ability, hope I'm wrong though
 
So what ? I already have to buy a new console to play next Naughty Dog game ?


Fuck this.

That was already a possibility on the table before this... TLoU and UC4 are releasing 35 months apart. Tack another 35 months onto that, and you're already in PS5 territory... (Yes, UC4 had some issues which slowed it down, but I don't see how we get more than a max of one more big AAA ND game on the PS4.... PS3 had four.)

I think this is getting way out of hand and this is literally just a PS4 slim with 4k video playing ability

I'll post this again since nobody replied a couple pages ago:

Yoshida said:
"The PS4 supports 4K output, but only for photos and videos; not games. PS4 games do not work on 4K."

(Talking about the original, existing PS4.) Did everybody forget about this? Or is this no longer the case?
 
If this is what happens to console gaming, I'm out.

What a waste of time and resources. This is nothing but a complete cash grab.

Improving the PS4's performance? I'll gladly take that. Get most games running at 1080p/60.

I'd love the XBO to do it as well, being how underpowered it is.
 
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