Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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Edit: Slushies renamed Kryptonite.
 
Really tempted to just go see this on my own tonight. I need to see what all the fuss is about and I doubt I'll convince my friends to go see it.
 
man I really hope Suicide Squad is great, the MCU has terrible villains so it would be cool if the DCCU finally finds it footing with something that the MCU usually fumbles on
 
So in retrospect, was Henry Cavill a shitty superman choice? He has like no charisma at all. Stiff as a log in every scene he's in. Maybe a decent supes could have saved the franchise.
 
I really do wonder how Ben feels if this tanks at the BO

Like he is 2 for 2 in this if it bombs. Dude might be done with anything comicbook related if its that bad
 
RustyNails said:
So in retrospect, was Henry Cavill a shitty superman choice? He has like no charisma at all. Stiff as a log in every scene he's in. Maybe a decent supes could have saved the franchise.
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he's being directed and written as a sourpuss. i don't think he's a great actor but i think he's perfectly capable of playing a likeable person.
 
RustyNails said:
So in retrospect, was Henry Cavill a shitty superman choice? He has like no charisma at all. Stiff as a log in every scene he's in. Maybe a decent supes could have saved the franchise.
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I want to see him work with a non Snyder director first.

10 mins until show starts here. All shows were sold out tonight, theater is packed and crowd is buzzing.

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RustyNails said:
So in retrospect, was Henry Cavill a shitty superman choice? He has like no charisma at all. Stiff as a log in every scene he's in. Maybe a decent supes could have saved the franchise.
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I liked him in Man from UNCLE, and I think he can be charismatic if he's allowed to be

I can't think of an actor who could have made MoS Superman anything close to interesting
 
RustyNails said:
So in retrospect, was Henry Cavill a shitty superman choice? He has like no charisma at all. Stiff as a log in every scene he's in. Maybe a decent supes could have saved the franchise.
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Honestly, it seems to just be the writing and characterization, or lack thereof. Cavill has charm in other movies.

I've long held that one of the biggest problems with MoS is that Superman seems largely apathetic and really only goes to action after being told to by various father figures. He also has no interaction with, attachment to, or interest in humanity (outside of those closest to him), which seems pretty central to his character.

I mean, he's basically TOLD by Jor-El that he needs to save Earth. He doesn't really decide it for himself, or find a reason why he would want to.
 
Cavill is charismatic and charming as hell in The Tudors, and apparently Man From Uncle but not seen that. There are glimpses of it in MoS, but the guy gets next to no lines, and he's just in a bunch of scenes that require him to look sad or angry. His material is paper thin, and he's getting directed by Zack Synder. He's been dealt a bad hand.
 
Just saw it. It's a fun action film. The Bat vs Supes part is good, but everything else felt just a bit uninspired unfortunately. King Kong crossbred with the stupid white orc from The Hobbit was a fairly uninteresting enemy, and there's a bit too much filler.

All in all though, I enjoyed it. 5,4 out of 7.
 
call_kotaku said:
I liked him in Man from UNCLE, and I think he can be charismatic if he's allowed to be

I can't think of an actor who could have made MoS Superman anything close to interesting
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Brandon Routh was an average actor but the dude just felt complete natural playing Superman just like Reeves. It's like they really became the hero. I guess Cavill was never given that opportunity. I dunno who to blame really but Cavill's lack of screen presence just bothered me in MoS. FWIW, I felt Zod was expertly played by Michael Shannon. Dude just devoured every scene he was in.
 
RustyNails said:
So in retrospect, was Henry Cavill a shitty superman choice? He has like no charisma at all. Stiff as a log in every scene he's in. Maybe a decent supes could have saved the franchise.
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I kinda liked him in Man from UNCLE enough that he could have brought a more charismatic touch to Superman.
 
Discotheque said:
he's being directed and written as a sourpuss. i don't think he's a great actor but i think he's perfectly capable of playing a likeable person.
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Agreed. He's not, an Andrew Garfield type of great actor stuck in a dour role. He's in league with what's expected from other superheros. Should there be a course correct where he's allowed to be affable and jovial, he's certainly capable.
 
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Watching it right now before BvS later today.

MoS is not even remotely grimdark. Grimdark is when the primary means of FTL travel is taking a shortcut through hell, when the truth about the universe turns people insane and you have to sacrifice 50,000 people every day to keep the space highways open. It's when the only reason you haven't been wiped out yet is because the existential threats to your existence keep getting in each others way and billions of people funnel themselves into futile military struggles against them on a monthly basis. It's when the closest thing to "good guys" are oppressive totalitarians who only sterilize their conquered peoples instead of executing them on the spot.

Man of Steel not only does feature Superman trying to minimize damage, telling civilians to evacuate buildings he's fighting in and such and saving a dozen soldiers and airmen (who were shooting at him too) personally by catching them as they fall or disrupting the enemy's attention when they're about to close in for the kill, but it's a movie whose primary message is one of hope, that while the world is very flawed it could get better. That the cynical attitude Pa Kent and Lawrence Fishburn had towards humanity was in the end mistaken, and that people rose to the challenge and put their trust and faith in this alien when the chips were down.
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I'll be seeing BvS this weekend, in spite of how I felt about MoS.

I'm glad that you managed to gleam this from the film but I just couldn't look past the contradictions. I couldn't accept that Jon Kent believed so strongly in his ideal that the world wasn't ready for Clark that he was will to sacrifice himself in the most unnecessary way possible to prove it. I couldn't accept Zod's really crazy motivations to terraform the Earth and kill everyone (for what reason again?) and I couldn't accept why as opposed to doing the heroic things you described Supes didn't simply take the fight somewhere else like every superhero has done ever!

The film's themes were just unnecessarily dark and grim (hence the grimdark) for a Superman movie to me and seemed to be that way all for the sake of being different and edgy. For every thing that I really loved about MoS (Krypton was the best depiction ever, I could have taken an entire movie of that) Snyder would do something stupid that I hated and took me out of the film. I really wanted BvS to be great but it seems like the decision from the creative team was to take what little joy there was in MoS and make it even darker. Batman actually should be really dark and edgy, Superman... not so much.
 
GAMEPROFF said:
Its an amazing movie. The costume is better then everything Marvel Studios putted out, just what they did to Bullseye is disgrace and so fucking horrible.
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To be fair, its been said that Colin Ferrel was super coked up through the entire production of the film... which didn't do that performance any favors. :-p
 
I'm somewhat confused that they apparently decided to use TDKR as a big reference for the story and how the characters are like with Batman. Isn't one of the big things that the heroes are older and grittier and whatnot?

Why would you use that as reference when you're trying to use this film to serve as a starting point for a wider universe?
 
They seemed to have picked the smallest auditorium for the 7pm 2D showing here. So many people wearing their Batman or Superman shirts. I am just excited to see the trainwreck unfold.
 
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